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2009 Acura TSX

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The debut of the '09 TL may boost TSX sales. I know for me personally, the TSX appears now as a more viable option than it did a month ago, especially after a generally positive brief test drive.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,193
    ...you pass on the '09 TL because you don't like the styling, or because it's grown too big, too heavy, and too balky, but you still like the Acura brand, you can simply buy a TSX, right? Not so fast. Before you buy a TSX, try out the back seat. Is it just me (and I'm not a big person), or is the leg room too tight for a mid size car? Also, access in and out of the back seat is difficult, if your shoe size is anything larger than, say, a (men's size) 8. So, as I see it, the '09 TSX isn't a good substitute for someone trading a TL.

    The '09 TSX is wider than the previous generation, but the back seet leg and foot room is virtually unchanged.
  • akt1000akt1000 Posts: 15
    The rear leg room is indeed too small to carry any adult passengers comfortably in the back: it is not any more than the rear leg room in the Honda Civic which is a foot shorter in length. Would have bought the 09 TSX by now if not for this big design snafu.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,193
    The difficulty an average size or larger adult has in getting his/her shoes into the back, and the limited foot, leg, and knee room would be a deal breaker for me too.

    I don't understand what the designers were thinking, since the TSX is a mid-size car from a length, width, and height standpoint.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The answer is ....the Hyundai Genesis! Similar is size, and price to the new TL, and should be at least its equal in performance and luxury. Well, ok, you would have to abandon the Acura brand, but Acura is making it easier and easier with each new model!
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Okay, How are they paddleshifters in the new TSX? Does it add more fun?

    Let me know
  • herrimherrim Posts: 14
    HI, I'm looking to either lease or buy the new 2009. Any bad experiences with the car? What have you paid for lease? I think in Miami a dealer wanted me to rip me off on a lease. Almost 500. Any recommendation?
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Well work on a good sale price, but know they won't move to much, since it is so new, also lease rates are a bit stiff. Then work on a standard lease, and that is what they offer on Acura.com $329mth- with $3,000+ down at signing, Add $60 or so more to the payment, and that is without anything down, that is for the base model TSX, meaning no technology package(navi). You can do a bit better than this, but this deal is no deal, its just a way to make the payment more appealing, but look at how much your putting down. Always start with $0 down, after you negotiate a good sale price, best way to do this, is to go around the perimeter of where you live, go online to Acura, and get dealer quotes, some dealers are willing to deal more.

    go to the Lease forums for more leasing information on what people are paying now, if you use the above technics, than your bound to atleast get a decent deal now, but its still a brand new model.

    Taking your time, and not rushing, will be the better way to get a deal your happy with.
  • haidonghhaidongh Posts: 16
    Our criteria is an entry level luxury sedan that is fuel efficient, reliable, and offers good comfort for daily commute. Powerful engine is not needed. Fuel efficiency is more important than power for us. My wifevwants to get a Lexus, so I took her to the Lexus dealership. Lexus are nice cars, but the IS 250 is too small inside, with less interior room than the Civic. However, my wife like the chic and elegant look of the exterior. The next bigger car in Lexus's line up is the ES 350, which is too large to maneuver in tight garage, and cost a lot more. I think it does not worth the money because it is an old man's car, and it is a lux-up Toyota Camry.

    This leaves us to the only other choice, which is the 2009 Acura TSX. TSX is basically a European Honda Accord built in Japan. Europe Accord has to be made smaller than American Accord because of the tight roads. The 2009 Acura TSX is the second generation just arrived to the dealership floor 2 months ago.

    The TSX offers the best value in entry level luxury sedan segment. It cost the least, offers largest interior, and offers the best fuel economy. In order to achieve this, Acura chooses a 4-cylinder 2.4-liter gasoline engine that outputs 201 horsepower and 170 lbs-ft of torque. The engine output cannot match the power on the Lexus IS 250, BMW 328i, or Mercedes C-series sedans. A lot of people think the power train is the weakest point of the TSX, but 200 horse power is good enough for us. More horses just means more cost. Who really uses that much power on day-to-day driving anyway, not to mention aggressive driving brings more wear and tear. The transmission is a 5-speed automatic transmission, which is probably the weakest point of the car, while other Luxury sedans all have 6-speed automatic transmissions. The power train is the reason why TSX costs less than its competitors.

    I have seen a lot of bad reviews on the 2009 TSX, that is because whoever writes reviews are "car enthusiasts", and they do not have to pay for the car, gas, or maintenance cost from their pockets. They are suckers to BMW and pony cars.

    Acura uses EPS (Electric Power Steering) on the TSX. It replaces the traditional hydraulic power steering. The steering wheel is no linked to a complex hydraulic system. The advantage is the simplicity, reduce weight, and improves fuel economy. The disadvantage is that it provides less steering wheel feeling to the driver. My wife cannot tell the difference, but I can tell. After driving it for a while, I get used to it.

    The gas throttle is also electric instead of the mechanical system, aka drive by wire. It also feels strange at first, but I got used to it after a couple days.

    The overall drive and ride quality is good. The ride is quiet yet I feel connected to the road. Even though the car is quite large, the suspension is comfortable but does not give me the floating ship feeling of a Toyota Camry. Acura puts in a lot of improvement on insulation and aerodynamic to reduce the noise in the cabin. The Michelin tires sticks to the road well, and there is only little body roll on quick cornering. The braking is good for me, but I heard it is not as good as its competitors.

    The 2009 TSX is bigger than the previous generation in every dimension. It offers a lot of room and comfort inside, but it also drives like a big car. This means when maneuvering in tight space, I have to be careful to make sure I have enough room for the car. I am used to the high driving position of my Honda CR-V. In this car, I feel like I do not have enough visibility to see every corner of the car.

    The TSX has a long list of standard safety features. It has Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure, together with the 6 air bags/curtains it earns 5-star ratings for each of the NHTSA's front and side impact testing. We know we buy one of the safest cars in the market.

    There are also a lot of people who hates the look of the car. I have to say the exterior style is quite polarizing. I am a guy who like flashes and bling bling on cars, so I like the style a lot. I think it looks sharp, aggressive, and energetic from most angles. It looks sporty, and it definitely has a funky European look. I do not like the Toyota-Lexus styling, it is just boring and their cars just blend in so well with most of other cars on the road. My wife, however, prefers the subtle and anonymous styling of Lexus. She thinks the car looks like a "devil". Regardless you like the style or not, one thing is for sure. You cannot ignore this car on the road, because it just looks so different. Most people do not like the style because of the new "Power Platinum" grille. It looks like a shield or some people say it looks like a bird's beak. This is the new look of the Acura family of sedans. All other Acura sedans will share the same look in the 2009 model lineup.

    The interior of the car is the highlight of the car. Even in the base model, it has perforated leather seat, heated seat, 2 memory seat positions, auto dim rear view mirror, sun roof, Bluetooth, home link garage door opener, XM Satellite radio, MP3/WAM USB port, trip computer, and many other features. Other manufacturers will nickel and dime you for these features, but they are all included in an Acura. The seat is wrapped with soft leather, and it is supportive. I prefer the seat can be less firm, but I am now used to it. The interior material is soft and high quality. The driver and passengers can feel pampered inside the cabin. The steering wheel, gear shifter, and arm rests are also wrapped in leather. There is a lot of room inside for my arms and legs. I actually feel it got too much shoulder room, because I am having hard time resting my elbow on both left and right armrest. It is probably better fit for a larger person.

    I find the rear passenger leg room can be tight if I push the front seat back. However, it still offers more room and comfort for the rear passengers than Lexus IS 250. The backseat can only have 2 comfortable passengers. A third passenger at the back will feel the sitting position very awkward. This is because the shape of the back seats is like a bucket to make sure 2 passengers feel supportive.

    The center storage lid has an auxiliary port for MP3 players, and it also has a USB port for any USB storage device and iPod. I connect a 4GB USB thumb drive to the car, and the audio system is able to read all the files on it. Many other luxury sedans has built-in hard drive for storing music. For the TSX, I can just plug in my own hard drive. The audio system has fully-integrated iPod interface if you plug an iPod. I found this system does not work with Zune.

    (to be continued)
  • haidonghhaidongh Posts: 16
    I just went through Edmunds article Confession of a Car Salesman. It is so good. It is a 3-hour reading, but it can probably save you thousands.

    After owning the car for 3 weeks, I like the TSX more and more. In some other Edmunds member's words, this car is growing on me.

    In order to find out how the 2009 TSX compares to a BMW 328i, I went to a BMW dealership to test drive it. BMW 3-series is the car all magazines saying it defines the entry-level sports car category. So I want to find out what if I get a barebone basic BMW 3 no-thrills instead of an Acura.

    There is no comparison. This is my first time driving a German car, and it is sooooooo bad :cry: :confuse: . The interior design of BMW is so outdated, looks like an aged VW car. The leather feels so cheap (hard and rough), I feel like being in a low cost car. I cannot tell the car accelerates faster or handles better than the TSX, maybe only testing device can tell. I feel like I don't know how to drive a German car after driving Japanese cars for 10 years (and some American rental cars). And the sticker price is $39,000 with same equipment and feature of a basic TSX without navigation. I never know you have to pay $800 for a silver paint on a BMW, or you have to pay a $3000+ premium package just for leather seats and other things that are standard in an Acura. Even the iPod adaptor cost $400, a lot more than the iPod itself. I finally know what nickel and dime means :blush: . After some negotiation it is probably still $10k more than what I pay for the TSX. Yes, BMW gives you 4 years of free maintenance, the exterior style is cool, and it is a smaller and more nimble car, and people will fantasize a BMW owner, but give me a break for paying 10k more for a car I don't like.

    BMW lovers, I am prepared for your hatred comments to my post. You guys just have too much money to spend.

    I wish my TSX can have the benefit of roominess and comfort of a mid-size car and still have a small car exterior package, but I cannot be too greedy.

    After test driving a BMW 328i, I go back to the TSX :shades: cuddle in the comfortable leather. The TSX never feels so comfortable and smooth. :D
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Though a BMW is a nice drivers car, but I feel now, that the competition is catching up with them. Paying that much for a standard car, with no extra frills, is crazy. The BMW can be a little over rated. Though, could drive amazing, based on opinion. But, when compared to other similar models, packages, value, and it is getting to the point where they simply beat the BMW. That is a huge premium to drive a base model BMW. I love BMW's, but you could get LOADED car, like a TSX or even TL for that money, and have everything you could possibly want.Also, have money left over. Plus, lower mainenence and high value!
    BMW simply cannot beat the value TSX offers, when compared to price.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,193
    I find it difficult to justify BMW prices too, but sales and resale values for the brand suggest that they aren't priced unreasonably.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    That is true, but its crazy when you cannot get a used model for any less than a new model. Sometimes, they are at more of a premium to get than to just buy new. 3k, 6k, 12 miles, it is no longer new, and long enough, to consider it perhaps like new, but not "new". But, with that said, I see a similar case on Honda/Acura cars alll the time. You are better off buying new, because they are so expensive when used, even the models only a few years old are still quite high. Which is good, that is the nice part of owning a Honda, literally in about a year or so, you can literally trade out, and walk away with owing nothing on your traded Honda. I know, because I have done this before.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    After driving a '09 TSX service loaner for a day, 2 things I didn't like were the steering, which felt inprecise, and had torque steer; and the size of the car. It just felt big. As you said, ones has to exercise caution when parking. Those are 2 areas where the BMW shines over the TSX. Yes, I agree a loaded TSX costs less than a base BMW 328. But you should factor in some things in the Bimmer than you cannot get in the TSX, at any price --- 6 cyl engine, 6-sp auto, available AWD or the choice of RWD, the array of electronic nannies, the best steering in the class.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,193
    Yeah, and for these reasons I'd prefer a RWD 328 to a TSX, and would probably pay the premium price for it, though reluctantly. I like the styling of both cars about equally.

    One thing I really dislike about the BMW are the run-flat tires. I wish regular tires and a mini spare were standard, with run-flats optional for those who prefer them.

    It'll be an interesting comparison when both cars offer diesels, in the near future.
  • Yeah, I agree with you that BMW has a lot of things that Acura does not offer. Acura is trying to make it simple by including things most regular people like, and does not offer that many choices. They are probably mainly targetting average joe like me, who is new to the luxury car segment. I have not seen another manufacturer has such a clean price break down list like Acura. Other than the VIN etching, there is nothing on the list I do not ask for.

    We drive our cars a lot for commute to work, and cost of owner is a major consideration for us. Value seekers should not go wrong with a TSX, but the TSX may not offer much excitement for thrill seekers.

    There is an Edmund article on the fuel efficiency trend the auto industry is taking Trade-Offs Along the Path to Better Fuel Economy
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I saw a black TSX in the flesh today, very sharp!! I actually saw one going to the opposite direction near our local mall, so I turned around and found it in the parking lot. I really like it! I knew it was a TSX. The black looks nice, I would tint the windows, and it would be perfect. I am going to look at that car closely next spring for a lease. Too bad the dealer is an hour away, otherwise, I would test drive one, Perhaps I will make the drive down there. It would be worth it.
  • I have been enjoying my 09 TSX for 4 months and have almost 10,000 miles on it. It is a great car and others must also agree since my dealer still can only keep 1 or 2 on the lot because they sell as fast as they arrive. My biggest and only complaint is the glare on the nav screen, it completely washes out in certain conditions. Has enough power for everyday driving, handles well without comprimising ride comfort, and has features and technology that would cost thousands more on the competition. And due to my long commute I love that it averages 30 mpg while cruising between 70 and 80 mph, and the 201 hp 4 cyl feels just as powerful as lexus 204 hp 2.5 v6 in everyday driving.

    Almost bought a IS250 but to get all the features the TSX has would have cost 7,000 more. HID lights, bluetooth, heated memory seats and few other things are standard on all TSXs and optional on the IS250. And for the base price of a IS250 I got a TSX with Navi, no one comes close on value.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Hosts - the car has been out for over 5 months - time to move it from the Future Vehicle threads.
  • Hi - I just purchased a 2009 TSX a week ago and I love it. My question is this. I noticed that when I first start the car each time, for the first 10-15 seconds or so, the engine sounds loud, then levels off and becomes quieter. It sounds almost as though I am stepping on the gas pedal while I start the car.

    Has anyone else noticed this? Is this normal?

    I thought I read something in the owners manual last week that said there was something that causes the engine to be a bit louder when first started - but I can't find it now.

    Any feedback would be appreciated. (My next step will be to contact the dealer service department, but I thought I'd try to see if anyone else experienced the same issue first.)

    Thanks.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I would not be worried, as my mothers 08 Jetta does the same thing. She will start the car, and it will sound like she is pushing on the pedal. only lasts about 15-20 seconds. Other VW Jetta's have done this on their lot too. I am assuming this is a way to get the engine warmer faster. The Acura apparently has taken this feature into their models as well. I also would assume it helps the engine, that they the would put this option on their cars.

    I would still ask the dealer about the feature to atleast see what it is called.
    It does this every time she starts the car. Normal.

    I am a little suprised no one else has said anything about this.... Anyone else have this on their new 09 TSX.
  • My 09 TSX has the same issue too, but I do not worry about it. Most car in winter does similar thing.

    I feel the transition with light throttle from first gear to second gear is not that smooth, I can feel it, does any one else feel that?
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I really want a TSX! It looks like alot of fun! It sorta reminds me of a Jetta.
    I am really thinking of leasing one instead of the Accord. Because this would be even more fun.
  • tanliztanliz Posts: 1
    Traded my 06 TSX for the 09 and was the worst mistake I could have made. The 09 feels cheap, handles poorly, makes a wheezy noise going up hills and shifting feels sloppy. Mine also has an odometer problem that nobody can get to the bottom of. I have complained to Acura and they twisted my words to say that I love the car and am dissatisfied with the dealer when the exact opposite is true. Total piece of junk. My second and last Acura purchase. I cannot wait to get rid of this car.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    almost traded my 06 tsx in for the 09 model but decided not too. I love my 06, bought new 11/17/06. It now has 63,523 problem free miles. Still has the original OEM tires but will be replaced before xmas. The last time I was at dealer for service on 9/22 they told me under ideal conditions my tires would last to at least 70,000 miles. I get them rotated and balanced every 6,000 miles and check the tire pressure regularly.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I will take over your TSX. I want a honda Product back...lol Even with your issue. I love Hondas.
  • kcelliskcellis Posts: 18
    We bought a '08 TSX about four months ago and LOVE it !!!

    The only problem we have is ... the front leather seats have started to wear abnormally. This has occurred on both front seats. On the side upper panel closest to the door.

    I was wondering if anyone else had experienced anything like this??

    Thanks!
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I had the seat covering replaced by the dealer under warranty due to a defect.
  • gvbgvb Posts: 36
    I read (believe it was in the TL forum) that the TSX is slated to have an optional 6 cylindar engine starting in 2010. Any truth to this? Given the new TSX's much sportier look than the '09 TL, I would think the TSX will take over as the most popular sold vehicle among the Acura line. Would be interested to know if there's any truth to this.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Well I think the new TSX is a hot looking car. I love it! I am really wanting this car over the accord. If they honestly put in a 6cyl, that would amazing, though, I am not sure I would buy the 6. The 4 would be good enough for me, with the new paddleshifters.

    I plan on getting this car with the tech package. I love the seats in the car, they are quite sporty, and the interior looks really upscale. The car reminds me of the Jetta, it has that whole zoom zoom vibe to it.
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