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BMW 335d 2009+

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  • nkeennkeen Posts: 316
    Good perspective -- different strokes for different folks.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,456
    different strokes for different folks.

    Exactly! If we didn't have the Prius and its ilk, what would dorky eco-weenies drive?

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,969
    I drove a Prius 1250 miles in 2 days (SF to Denver) and it was very comfortable.

    You should take the same trip in a Jetta TDI and a BMW 335D and give us your comparison.

    PS
    I cannot imagine driving 600 miles a day in a Prius after my 15 minute ride in the 2009 model. I guess it is what you are used to.
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    Al Gore's kid likes to drive his Prius at 100+ mph while smoking dope. To each his own, I suppose.

    I rather liked the test. It indicated that you are probably buying a car that meets your needs than buying a car other people think you should buy.
  • "I did, however, drive a 335i and 335d back to back, both automatics with base suspension, and surprised myself by preferring the latter. I didn't think that the 335i was strong enough for an auto -- too little grunt right at the bottom, but the 335d worked well -- it felt a lot more like an OHV V8 of old, with bags of effortless torque. And you can hear the engine -- it's always there, noisier than I expected, and it feels big and bad when you step into it. "

    I'd like to drag us back on-topic for a minute, but I did the same test-drive as nkeen, and I too was shocked.

    That I-6TT diesel is a fantastic engine. So much torque, it un-does most of the weight of the ever-porking 3-series.

    The transmission did an equally amazing job of shifting all that torque under boost imperceptibly smoothly. Perhaps because it had less rev range to deal with. But I too preferred the action over the 335i automatic.

    But the end result of the combination of truckloads of torque and seamless shifts is that it felt nothing like any car I've driven. It was more like accelerating down the highway in your own private jet. Sounds similar too, as the greatest noise under accel is the turbo whine. No abrupt jerkiness, just a constant forcing you into the seat.

    Hard to describe, I suggest those curious go try it.

    The torque is so available that it would make the 3-series a better daily driver. It won't search for gears in traffic, slowing down for lights, going over hills, etc. But when you get on it, its as strong as the gas version. Speeding up takes less effort, especially when you want to get home stress-free.

    But I notice that this thread is mostly based on the economics of diesel. If cost is the only downside... there's far more to it than that. This engine is more luxurious and versatile IMO.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    Well my comments were in response to the comment that the Prius was a "basic" car, which might be, could be, interpreted like it was a Rent a Car Daewoo in Hawaii or something---which it is not.

    Sure I'd rather have taken the trip in a 335d, but I didn't suffer the agonies of a martyr driving the Prius 1250 miles. It was amazingly easy. It's like driving mom's sofa. How hard is that?

    I haven't sat in a 335d, so I can't comment or compare in any detail. The last 3 series I was in was a 2006, and I wouldn't have wanted to take that cross country. The car is too small for my size is all.

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  • I feel sick when I drive my mother-in-law's Prius The lack of roadfeel makes me get car sick while driving. Happens with most rentals for me. They seem to float and I get a disconnected feeling that causes all sorts of brain crazy.

    I drove my 2006 330i 1500 miles in Europe. It wasn't taxing at all and at times I was doing 150. I averaged about 110 on most freeway driving.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    I have trouble with my calf hitting the console on the 3 cars and also the angle of my foot on the gas pedal. But I agree the firm ride makes for a more relaxing trip, ironically. In a floaty-boaty car, your back and leg muscles are always working to stabilize you, and it can be tiring. Fortunately, for desert driving you just point and shoot so mom's sofa was okay! In the mountains,though---UGH!

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  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    The mountains...ah, that's where you wish you were in the 3'er...with sport seats!

    Regards,
    OW
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    Let me tell you...a dinky Prius 4 cylinder engine coupled to a CVT at 8,500 feet----eh, no thanks. Gimme them big beautiful 6s!

    Really if you can name one thing BMW excels at, it is engines.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,969
    The 335D has to be a dream to drive through the high mountain roads. That torque pulling in the hills is pure pleasure. Of course my choice would be the much more comfortable X5 with that same engine. Still gets to 60 in 6.5 seconds which is more than adequate for my needs. Then when the snow starts to build in those mountain passes you got a better chance of getting home or to the lodge.
  • nkeennkeen Posts: 316
    I'm sure it would be a comfortable, competent drive.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,522
  • nopcbsnopcbs Posts: 43
    His point, he claimed, was "it's not what you drive, it's how you drive it". The part about your mileage being impacted by how you drive it is valid and true...duh! That would be best made by driving either car moderately through a course and then flogging it through the same course. He did not do that. The entire point, however, is simply wrong unless you set up hugely artificial conditions, such as he did, and even then the Prius lost by just a little.

    Is he trying to tell us that ANYONE would buy a V8 M3 and then drive it gently to try to get the best mileage possable? Is he trying to tell us that ANYONE would buy a Prius to flog it on a track?

    The episode would be amusing if he left out the sermon at the end. The sermon, itself, was utter nonsense.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    The 335D has to be a dream to drive through the high mountain roads. That torque pulling in the hills is pure pleasure.

    ;) I use to drive through high mountain roads at least every other week-end. I anticipate those week-ends not only for the pleasure of skiing, my favorite sport, but also for the joy of driving from the see level up to 5,000 feet and back. Then I have to restrain myself from overtaking other cars in the winding roads because the car acceleration is so impressive that I can feel everything as possible, and way much possible—only to realize the bent is there asking for a lot of braking. Even so, the drive is always precise and easy.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • cctdicctdi Posts: 82
    The 335D had come to the all local dealers here in South Jersey and Eastern Pa. about two weeks ago; the funny thing is every dealership got only one, and all the ones are black in color, all of them are poorly equipped with basic option like heated seat. As a diesel nut (or rather a Bimmer nut in this past two years) I did test drive the black one with a salesman on my side at DeSimone BMW of Mt. Laurel. Here are the feelings in my mind: 1) it felt the 335D is a little faster than the 335Xi or 535Xi for that matter. 2) With same manner of driving of my 535Xi, the 335D actually jump off in a smooth way that you don’t get on the 535Xi. 3) If you push 335Xi or 535Xi hard, you get no hesitation smooth acceleration, but, the diesel gives you a push faster feeling (if I push the 750Li hard, the car give you a jerk, before it takes off). So, I asked Christian Frank who sat on my side why the 535Xi is quicker on the paper, and he said, “May be the horse power”. And I think BMW should test the car again for real number. I wish the D would be under the hoods of 5er or 7er.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,349
    As I mentioned in an earlier post, I would love to see that engine in a 5er. If you could get a manual tranny behind it, I'd be looking for spare relatives to sell in order to get it.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • Has anyone had any experience driving the 335d in the snow in the US.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,858
    No, but have in the rain. Stable up to 90 mph then we ran out of expressway. :P . Judging by the oem tires, snow/ice would probably be tricky at best. I would swag performance winter tires would be the order of the season.
  • nopcbsnopcbs Posts: 43
    You need not worry as long as you have traction control (I believe it is standard) and snow tires. They don't even have to be expensive snow tires. I drive a '92 LS400 through Michigan winters using Kumho snow tires from Discount Tire. Bought them a few years back for like $300, total, installed. Never had any trouble with them...never stuck...and I drive daily. This winter has been very tough...no problems even after third winter. I'm glad I skipped the Michelins or Bridgestones for many $ more.

    Forget about it with all-seasons. They will be marginal when new and dangerous when worn on a RWD car.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    Second thing: chassis.

    Regards,
    OW
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    I dunno about that. I hope you aren't including suspension bushings :P But yes, good rigid chassis, like all German cars. But no German company makes an engine like a BMW.

    I can't help it. I love straight 6s for their smoothness, sound and power band.

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  • nopcbsnopcbs Posts: 43
    By "good rigid chassis, like all German cars"...you mean like the Porsche 911 drop top that Car & Driver once described as a "Flexible Flyer"?

    But that's not really fair, pretty much all German convertibles suffer from some cowl shudder on bumping roads. You want a really strong convertible structure, you need something designed that way...like a Corvette.

    By "no German company makes an engine like a BMW" do you mean like the the E46 M3 engines that were basically on their death beds as soon as their owners got them due to poor construction, or the famous disintegrating plastic water pumps of the E36's that caused owners plenty of trouble and $, or the VANOS feature that eliminates any sense of smoothness when it starts to "go" (like I currently experience on my 30,000 miles E46 zhp), or the current 335 gas engine that BMW just "upgraded" the firmware to to introduce turbo lag because without it the engines were failing too soon and costing warranty bucks, or the same engines that were first sold to customers w/o an oil cooler which it desperately needs to make the turbos last?

    If you mean no other German company makes a straight six, anymore, you are probably right. Heck, BMW is moving away from them, too. What do they put in the M3? The other guys (Merc) went away from the straight six for packaging reasons and I'll bet BMW will eventually, too. Great design choice, but quite bulky for its displacement.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    So in other words, GM builds better cars than the Germans? Thanks for sharing... :P
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,858
    Part of the devil and the deep blue sea "door choices" is to dodge each oem's issues. BMW is probably no exception.

    The I 6 is bullet proof . It has been for literally decades if not generations. One can even label this old school/tech. If BMW has taken advantage of this (I6 design) with the diesel, and stayed within its known design parameters, it certainly has a hit with 265 hp and 425 # ft.!! Maximum torque comes on at relatively low RPMS. Another obvious issue would be the reliability of the twin turbos and compatibility with the I 6 diesel.

    Whether or not the I 6 twin turbo diesel in the BMW 335 D navigated correctly, remains to be seen, ie, time, miles, history. It is a not brainer out to 60,000 miles, due to being maintenance free and covered under warranty for those miles.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    I think you might be, if you will pardon my putting words in your mouth, confusing "rigid" with "durable" when you compare a German cabriolet to a Corvette. Rigid is easy, durable is difficult. Take an old Porsche cabriolet or old 325 cab for a ride....nary a squeak to be heard.

    Sure you are right, older M3 engines had their issues, but then, people drive them a bit differently than a Buick.

    I've had BMWs, and mercilessly driven the living crap out of them, and barring the exceptional, those engines don't break.

    Now you show me a little German black box stuffed with electronics, and I might agree with you about "problems".

    I may not be ga-ga over a luxury diesel BMW with a substantial price tag, but I have full confidence in the engine and chassis of the 335d.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,858
    ..."Sure you are right, older M3 engines had their issues, but then, people drive them a bit differently than a Buick. "...

    Well that is true, but I am thinking that takes the focus off the true scenario. It was really a series of engine design decisions, that they packed, for example the 2001 BMW M3 with performance features, increasing the likihood of it exploding / grenading. It is very unlikely the BWM M3 was made or marketed for the over 55 years old set, to get them to switch from their perfectly fine Buicks.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    Ah well like Sterling Moss is said to have said: "The perfect race car is the one that destroys itself right after crossing first over the finish line".

    Every car is a compromise about something. The phenomenon you refer to is I think called "narrow engineering", wherein the manufacturer engineers the car to excel in one or two ranges of things while leaving the rest merely adequate at best.

    I'm sure the 335d is a combination of compromises. Exactly what they are, I don't know, I haven't driven the car.

    I think the truly "great" cars we remember did not do everything well, but rather did a few things brilliantly.

    I think BMW engines were/are brilliant.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,858
    Very odd or maybe I have been away too long from pricing BMW's, but $500. for heated seats....(BMW 335 D.)???? But I as well as you live in a globally warmed area. Now if they put those massage chair FEATURES you can try at Brookstone's..... :surprise: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    Ah yes the German Options List--a series of financial olympic jumps that the buyer goes through to ever increasing heights. :P BMWs option list is bold, Porsche's is shameless.

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