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Makes sense. So few 3.2 models were sold it doesn't justify the cost of production.
Audi made the 2.0T "too good" w/ all that torque. The 3.2 is a little throatier and has a painted black grill. But other than that, the 2.0T is a more fun to drive, IMO and gets better mileage.
If somebody threw me the keys to a 2.0T and 3.2 to drive for free, I'd probably take the 2.0T in 09 form.
Pricing is TBD but it appears I will just get the car exactly the way I want it.
The only conundrum for me is whether or not to get Drive Select--I am basically happy with the car without--what do you all think?
Thanks!
As I previously mentioned I soon expect a 2009 A4 2.0 Premium Plus with sport package suspension, 18" wheels inc. summer tires. After my three day experience I realized the sport package is not that necessary. It may be a serious comfort trade off when driving to Manhattan or the bumpy boroughs. But a plus driving north on the Taconic or to VT. I will need snow tires and maybe extra wheels. My wife might complain about the ride also. The drive select is the best of both worlds I suppose. I believe it includes 18" wheels and all season tires rather than summer tires.
I know this answer is not completely to the point but drive select is a rare option I do not have. Maybe audiforums dotcom has some members posting experiences. They have international membership. Or you can post a request for comments there . I think NY Times recently tested one with drive select and was very favorable.
You are building a $50,000 Audi A4 so a dealer who has one to test should give you the red carpet treatment. Maybe a full day test.
The more options the lower the residual. So you might also consider a Jaguar, A6, BMW or Mercedes. The residual may be better on a more expensive car rather than gilding the lily on an A4. Just my opinion.
At this point, I am going to buy the car. The new tax laws allowing deduction of the sales tax and interest on a car loan make that option very attractive. The A6, while beautiful, is just more car than I need right now. The dealer is working with me on price, I just have to decide how I want the car built--with or without ADS.
I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks.
You might find a loaded demo to buy. Maybe a dealer'ship owner's car. Not too many Prestige, nav, drive select to be had.
Remember, the stimulus package caps income limits for the deductions eligibility. I think 125,000/250,000 a couple.
Big plus not to pay lease bank fee, termination fee and rip off assessments for minor dings at lease termination. Audi Credit views their final inspection as a profit point opportunity. Very unfriendly.
We just bought my wife's A4 3.2 2007 before 30 month lease end. Dealer sold it well under residual, Certified it for 100,000 guarantee and 3-yr. 1.9% loan. She will retire and no longer commute. It should last along time.
I just can't wait to be done with the Infiniti.
Those who do not have ADS will, almost to a person, tell you "you don't need it."
Those who do have ADS will, almost to a person, tell you - "don't leave home without it."
Having said this, I have the following configuration:
2009 A4 2.0T Prestige level/quattro
o Ibis (white)
o Cardamom (beige)
o Almond Wood inlays
o Tiptronic
o 19" Sport package (S Line "light")
o Navigation/Camera package
o Power op rear sunshade/manual rear side shades
o Audi Drive Select
o Audi pre-paid maintenance
I replaced the factory summer only tires with Yoko's Advan S4 UHP all-seasons.
The sticker on the car was ~$49,650.
I have about 8,000 miles on the car (picked it up in October.)
Have had the first service interval and other than the tire swap, nuttin'. . . .
I traded in a nearly all optioned 2005 A6 3.2.
I have had 28 or 29 Audis since 1977. Pretty much, you name it, I have had it (or if not me, my wife.)
Whattya wanna know about ADS and ADS with a configuration such as the one outlined above?
My thoughts: "everyone would get ADS if it were $1,000 less."
Again, whattya wanna know?
I set my individual preference (which is one of the four settings) to:
Dynamic steering
Dynamic engine and transmission
Auto suspension
Every option can be: Comfort, Auto, or Dynamic in Individual Mode.
The three set parms are: Comfort for everything, Auto for everything or Dynamic for everything.
I rarely use Dynamic -- although when I do, I must say it is an absolute BLAST!
I typically use Individual and when I hit the Interstate for a long jaunt, I set it to Comfort and set the cruise control to "prevailing conditions and speeds."
The character of the car is different in each mode and will improve either the comfort or the "compliance" of the car based on how it is set and how you drive.
With the 19" x 255 x 35 tires, the availability of Comfort mode pretty much eliminates the bone jarring effects of such a low profile set of shoes.
Then when I want to "play" the car can be "a snake in a rat hole" in the twisties.
Now, at 8,000 miles the car has just reached its third break in and this thing seems to have even more torque than it did at 5,000 miles (which is to say it feels, at times, "limitless.")
ADS is expensive -- it may be too expensive, but now that I have it, I would not want to go without.
I love the look of the 19" wheels but I am NOT a fan of Summer Only shoes and that, more than anything else, ticked me off -- I should be able to get what I want from the factory rather than having to rebuy tires on a new car.
Again, to not go on about something you are not interested in, "whattya wanna know?"
Drive it like you live. :shades:
Nothing is wrong with the summer only tires -- in summer.
During temps that drop below 45, the summer tires are not "Ultra High Performance." Moreover, they have a lifespan of under 20K miles and I simply do not want to swap out the tires twice a year.
The UHP A/S's are a compromise (but not THAT much) -- but I do not track the car. I also like tires to wear at least 25,000 mile before replacement.
The 19" option seriously reduces your choices of tires -- perhaps the 18" option is (or would have been) more prudent.
In any case, I am offering up answers regarding ADS if someone has a question or wants a bit of a discussion on its merits.
:shades:
Can anyone suggest how to have the MMI display the oil level like it used to? :confuse:
I forgot to mention that I had been driving the car for around 45 minutes before trying to read the oil level so the engine had been warmed up.
I have followed the instructions given in the user manual regarding warming the engine, parking on a level surface, turning off the engine for approx 2 minutes etc. but all to no avail.
What is particularly frustrating is that the car doesn't even come with a manual dipstick to allow you to check the oil level, so I am at a loss to know what to do other than contact the dealer. I just thought there might be an easy fix.
Can't wait--took my time deciding but after taking a long drive in the BMW 335 yesterday I am happy with my decision.
Of course it means I am stuck with the M35x for another three months but my wife can drive it.
Anyone have window tinting advice? NY only allows 70% front and back side windows.
I do not recommend tinting at all...I find the windows as is are good enough. In NY, many police officers just like to bust horns over the tint--why expose yourself?
That said, congrats--and let me know how you like the car!
I'm hoping to order my first Audi early this summer, so I'm curious about the process.
We ordered the car from the 2010 ordering guide. We don't have prices yet. We are estimating price, and we did negotiate a fixed cost over invoice, with all incentives to me.
The prestige package now has navigation (3G MMI), but driver assist and the rear camera and park assist are removed and part of an optional package.
I am estimating the cost of the car to be between $43 and $44K or so, and when it comes in I will review lease rates but actually plan to buy the car.
I was in the car business for about 5 years previously, so knew basically how to negotiate, and the dealer and I understand each other...
Now the wait begins...I am really looking forward to this car.
I have found sources only for 15K mi/year.
Thanks!
My wife and I are looking at an '09 A4 Premium+ with the sport package only because we need the lumbar support it provides.
We didn't like the jarring drive of the sport package and would really like something a tad softer (we already have a 2000 Jetta VR6 with a stiff ride).
Does the adaptive drive really offer a softer ride if the sport package is taken and the drive is set to comfort ? Obviously I don't expect the drive to be as cushiony as say an ES 350 (the other car we were looking at)..
Also, do you have any input on when we'll be able to build out a 2010 A4 ? I hear there are some option changes (eg: no driver memory in the Premium+)
Thanks so much,
Forced to go for the Sports even though we don't want it just for the fantastic lumbar support..
I suggest looking into an orthopedic or Temperpedic cushion for a bad back
I have had much more jarring rides on prior cars, including my 2006 Infiniti M35X.
My concern is flats and wheel damage from the great looking low profile 18" wheels with costly summer tires. It also is dropped 19 centimeters (3/4") lower and could bottom out. I need snow tires or all-seasons to get through the NY winters. Maybe a spare set of wheels too. Because of those concerns I am not sure I would have ordered the sports package again. I may have looked at the Prestige with 18" wheels and bought an after market Nav for $300.00 to cut back costs there. The 2009 Audi Nav. is primitive. Backup camera is great though.
Dealer tried to sell me wheel & tire coverage. I am still mulling that over. I have to study the exclusions.
I had two Lexus/Camry based ES sedans in 2000 and 1997. My mother-in-law liked to ride in them and hated my brother-in-law's BMW 750. Sadly she has passed. Now passenger ride comfort is no issue for me. If back problems are an overriding concern an ES would be a good choice.
The standard A4 with a seat cushion or custom seat may also be considered.
My 28 year old step daughter drove the A4 this morning and was thrilled. Her last car was a 2006 Jetta GLI.
You are correct.
Several bill are pending in the NY Assembly to require inspection for unlawful widow tint, increased penalties, and raising light transmission to 90% from 70%. They also seek an appropriation for buying $50,000 for window tint meters. This is a reaction to an officer being killed when approaching a tinted vehicle.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?by=k&qs=window+tint
Now that the economy is bad, window tint fines are a perfect source for a new revenue stream.
Thanks for the advice.
Barry
Also my oil light keeps coming on that oil is low! Just had the oil and maintenance done at around 5500 miles. Any remarks?
(Caveat: this is only good for the driver and not necessarily front or other passenger(s).)
Regards,
Steve
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2748301&highlight=2010+order+guide
Since I saw the '09 A4 at the LA Auto Show the ability to have a car that can be pretty good thru the twisties and refined enough for the wife (with her back pains) on long trips has intrigued me. In our case we want a manual (yes the wife drives a stick) with prestige and will wait for '10 for the Nav with traffic and hard drive. I had a '06 Subaru STI so this would be my sacrifice/compromise. Thanks Keith
19" wheels and Max Perf tires 255 x 35 x 19"
3 spoke sport steering wheel with paddle shifters
sport seats
stiffer AND lower suspension
larger diam roll bars
Since I do not have the SLine package there are, other than the wheels, steering wheel and sport seats NO visual cues to the sport package (which I like).
You get all of the performance bits of SLINE but none of the optics -- no SLINE embossed seats, no sline badges etc -- no rear valence and no chrome trim around the fog lights, etc.
I love the look and the ride and the drive of the sport package.
However, the tip can do this, but NOT 1+ seconds worth, as it seems the current gen of Audis are hell bent on doing everything possible to reduce fuel consumption.
I have ADS on mine and I have set it, essentially, for a throttle tip in that is almost instant. Set in COMFORT mode, throttle tip on on my quattro model is a split second less quick.
Perhaps this is simply that your CVT equipped version wants ever so much to be a miser and therefore is not as "touchy" as you might like.
Just a thought.
Couple the camera with the rear parktronic and once you get used to the wide angle view afforded by the camera/nav screen, you will, I'd wager, be impressed with the safety and bump avoidance these technologies facilitate.
The new A4's nav is a 3G affair (I have the 2G one, and the integration, voice activation, etc, make even it a joy to use). With 3G you get many improvements that are detailed elsewhere -- but, I have driven a Q5 with the new set up and it is an improvment over the 2G.
Aftermarket units from the perspective of the touch screen or map updates, etc actually are superior -- but they cannot work seamlessly with the BlueTooth, the sound system, etc -- and of course no backup camera.
I think the combo is $500 too high -- but I wouldn't have it any other way than the fully integrated factory way.
Do what you like, do what you can afford or do what you think is "pragmatic and prudent" -- the goodness of the A4 (B8) is still there, but the backup camera and full integration that make the factory unit miles ahead of aftermarket offerings will be missing.