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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Pretty neat. Have you tried playing Pandora tunes via Bluetooth a2dp? If so how was sound quality?

    Ford's demo even let them say names of songs for Pandora to play. The appeal here being you get music on-demand, plus it's totally free.

    Ford just swept the North American Car/Truck of the year awards, so they're on somewhat of a roll lately.
  • comem47comem47 Posts: 390
    Evidently I'm not the only one who feels their move to "bigger" was a wise one in doubling their popularity (moving from 18th to 9th on the survey). I'm not sure about the price thing though unless it means they've held the price fairly constant vs inflating.

    “In the last 12 months, they’ve made some dramatic improvements to their product line, sales have been relatively strong and the products deserve them,” said Jeff Bartlett, Consumer Reports’ deputy online editor, who was an author of the survey.

    “The cars are good,” he said. “They’ve improved the fuel economy while making the cars bigger, and they’re not more expensive. They’re really hitting on a lot of the magic hot buttons.”
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What they did was lower the MSRP, but then they eliminated the rebates.

    Example: the base model was about $1200 cheaper, but the 2008 model had a $2000 rebate. That amounts to an $800 price increase for the super-sized 2009 model.

    It's a strategy that has worked. They can advertise low prices that draw people in to showrooms. The lack of rebates has helped boost residual values for new cars (meaning good lease deals) as well as used Subaru prices.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Forester will offer HIDs on 2010 models. They just held a press conference this morning.

    Mitsubishi has a display on Electric Avenue. I wonder if the i-Miev is there?

    Last year Mitsu didn't show up.
  • >> Nice try but it's still PLASTIC. It may look and feel better than a molded plastic dash but regardless of whether you call it plastic, vinyl or double-stitched synthetic leather , it's still made from petroleum distillates

    Mitsu, Porsche and Infinity call it “Synthetic Leather”
    BMW – “Leatherette”
    Mercedes – “MB-Tex Leather”.
    Ateixteira – said “leather”

    They all use the word “leather”, so it is leather, but if you want to call it PLASTIC, be my guest!

    I guess it was too expensive, Frank, so you did not purchase LEATHER seating package for your Mercedes GLK, and based on your logic you seat on PLASTIC. Did you ever tell anyone that you have PLASTIC seats in your Mercedes? I didn’t think so, but please be consistent.

    It’s odd that you drive “luxury” Mercedes which has PLASTIC seats and PLASTIC dash, while Fushigi is driving some Mitsubishi which has double-stitch LEATHER dash and genuine LEATHER seats.
  • >> And remember mine was covered in plastic, and had not been PDI'd yet. I even thought it was a pre-production model.

    All I “remember” is that you did not say that it was covered in plastic. After inspecting the car you said "The leather dash is a nice upgrade, and it runs across the dash an into the tops of the door panels." So are you saying you made it up?

    >> You should have written it this way: synthetic leather, it is still a double-stitch vinyl which is a plastic. Vinyl is a type of plastic

    What a discovery! You making it up again using your “deduction method”. Polyethylene is also type of plastic. So what? Not every type of synthetic leather contains vinyl. Many synthetic leathers instead of vinyl use one of these: acrylic, polyurethane, polyamide felt fiber, cork, microfiber, kelp, etc.
  • >> By the way, you never apologized for being wrong about the forged pistons and the different turbo engine block.

    HUH? “forged pistons and the different turbo engine block”? I’ve never said that. I don’t even use this type of vocabulary. You however inspected the car and said twice that Outlander dash is leather, then you turn around and blame it on me saying
    “he was really rubbing that in our faces, turns out he was wrong all along.”
    That’s personal attack and you must apologize.

    >> I am sorry that the Outlander GT turns out to have its dash wrapped in a type of plastic.

    Not a proper way to apologize, but there is different grade plastic used on dashboard.

    3. Hard plastic: Subaru, Toyota, Kia
    2. Soft touch plastic: Benz GLK, BMW X3
    1. Double-stitch synthetic leather: Outlander GT, Infinity, Lincoln MKS, Porsche 911

    0. Genuine leather: Jaguar XF, Ferrari,

    Synthetic leather used on cars is not equal to your Subaru molded hard plastic dash. Usually it is a nicely stitched composite of natural fabric covered with ‘breathable’ soft synthetic layer. My impression was actually that “leather dash” is just a shortcut or figure of speech. You have to be naive expecting stitched genuine leather dash from $30Kcar, while $60K Mercedes has molded plastic. In order to get genuine leather dash you have to get closer to $100K price level and above.
  • >> Well, a quick search reveals psychogun was actually the first to bring it up

    Psychogun didn’t see the GT live and he was actually smart enough to use implicitly subjective “it appears”: “it appears Mitsubishi … added some stitched leather surfaces on the doors and the dash”. You however inspected the car in person and you explicitly said that Outlander has dash leather. Psychogun also did not blame anyone for his notion and he did not make any personal attacks.
  • >>Forester will offer HIDs on 2010 models. They just held a press conference this morning. Mitsubishi has a display on Electric Avenue. I wonder if the i-Miev is there?

    Interesting contrast in magnitude of announcements:
    Subaru: HIDs
    Mitsu: i-Mev.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Forester will offer HIDs on 2010 models.

    Well, on one model at least. :)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Here is what you said about the XT's engine:

    Subaru did not provide an engine appropriate to function with high performance turbocharger. They simply attached turbocharger to a stock "boxer" engine. Irresponsible and cheap approach

    Link to the full post:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    you did not say that it was covered in plastic

    I don't even think the GT I sat in was a production model. I made that part very clear.

    As I wrote:

    "Seats were wrapped in plastic"

    It's hard to compare the materials (dash vs. seats) when you can't even touch them.

    It looked sort of like this, but even more protective plastic covering the seats and other interior bits:

    The dealer told me it was a press car, and that was why I could not test drive it. I'm not sure what was changed for production.

    fushigi thought they just hadn't done the PDI yet, but this was unique in that all other 2010s were available to test drive, and this GT (their only one) was not.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Sorry, fail. Petroleum distillates are petroleum distillates. A rose by any other name.

    Every car has plastic,well maybe not a Bentley or Rolls, but I'm sure there is some to be found within the car.

    The difference and I'll use BMW as an example, I/you/we can order the 335 with leatherette, er plastic, without HIDs, without power seats etc. It's the difference in the way the car manufacturers allow the car orders to be places a la carte vs prix fix.

    The fact the ordering philosphy is different has nothing to do with anything.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Interesting contrast in magnitude of announcements

    Enough so that Mitsubishi didn't even schedule a press conference: aspx

    Subaru showed a gull wing concept, besides the couple of new options packages for the Forester.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Point taken, but it was peaceful in here until the guy who has yet to apologize for saying that Subaru 'simply attached turbocharger to a stock "boxer" engine' came back.

    I was wrong about the fake leather, but can you blame me? Two people (psychogun and jwaters943) said it first and I believed them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Video coverage of NAIAS:

    Subaru's press conference was standing-room only. :shades:
  • comem47comem47 Posts: 390
    Now that was informative (vs apology wars)

    I see that Subaru intends more options in Forester next year and Hyundai was talking about the next Santa Fe. I think the economy CUV niche is why they are both doing even better these days. (defectors from gas hogs, but people still need room)
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,232
    Have you tried playing Pandora tunes via Bluetooth a2dp? If so how was sound quality?

    I did it on my initial test drive just to see if it would work. And it was really easy to setup. We only listened for a minute, though, so I can't comment on sound quality other than it was fine during that test. I've spent most of my in-car hours ripping discs to the hard drive.

    I don't think the voice integration goes nearly as far as Sync does. Which is fine, as some of the CDs I ripped are Japanese and the title info is in Kanji.

    1100 miles on the Outlander as of last night, BTW.
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