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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 2009 was upsized significantly. I think the back seat gained something like 4 inches of leg room.

    It's night and day in terms of space. I've owned old and new Foresters.

    At 6'2" I'm surprised he didn't find head room tight in your back seat. Do you have the moonroof?
  • We do indeed have a moonroof, and yet our good friend (who has short legs) didn't loose his head in the experience!
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    edited April 2010
    Over the weekend I had 6 in the Outlander. Besides myself, my sister rode shotgun. Her daughter/my niece was in the 2nd row with her 4 year old in a booster seat. My son-in-law was in the 3rd row with their 1 year old in a car seat. The son-in-law is maybe 5'11" and 200+ pounds yet said he was fine sitting back there. Of course, this was for a somewhat brief 12 miles each way trip.

    We were going to put the booster & the car seat in the 3rd row but the 1 year old refused to go quietly unless one of her parents was next to her.

    Due to a family health emergency I drove something over 700 miles between Thursday & last night. Predominantly highway though there was some city driving & crawling through construction zones. Best MPG: 24.1; worst over this trip: 22.1. The highway driving was usually between 75 & 85 MPH and included one burst to 97 (before my wife caught on..). Very nice, stable ride at higher speeds and the engine always seems willing to go faster.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dude, you need a minivan. ;)
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    :sick:

    Nah, the few times I've used the 3rd row are isolated instances. This past weekend we could have taken two cars instead but the family hadn't seen the Outlander yet and the trip wasn't that long.

    I'm finding that the 3rd row can be handy for these short trips with lots of people, but I could still easily live without. Included in an option package I like having it but I'm doubtful I'd have specified it as a separate option.

    BTW I know minivans and vans in general are superior people-haulers. But 99+% of the time it's just me or my wife & I so even then the 2nd row isn't necessary.
  • Dude, you need a Miata. :shades:
  • Here's what I don't understand. I keep hearing the Forester is bigger than the Outlander, but the Forester is 3" less in overall length, and the engine is flat and long, which means the engine bay has got to be longer than the Outlander. So how do you get a vehicle with greater interior volume? I submit that this simply cannot be true. The laws of physics refute this claim! :P
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    My Welsh ancestry eliminates convertibles from consideration. I do not tan; I burn. :cry:
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    Juice can step in here but without looking anything up I'd guess the Subie is taller and, interior-wise, wider. Wider can be achieved via widening the vehicle as a whole or by making the sides thinner. Taller also means taller interior, not necessarily taller vehicle. There are many components to place under a vehicle and different layouts will lead to different heights.

    For instance, some manufacturers have moved the battery to the rear of the vehicle (under/around the trunk) from the engine bay. It adds flexibility for engine mounting, probably leads to less battery overheating (better air cooling and no engine heat to worry about), and may allow for a smaller/shorter front end. Of course, the eventual battery replacement will be harder but that's the owner's problem, not the manufacturer's.
  • In older Subie models, I do remember scary-thin doors. And I absolutely didn't like the frameless windows. I think Sube has corrected these issues as of late. Although, maybe the claimed-chronic rattling might be due to funky body contortions to gain space.

    A neighbor asked for help to swap batteries in his Saturn. The battery was held down by three bolts, all in knuckle-wrapping positions, all in metric. I can actually understand metric, but most other bolts in the very same car were NOT metric! And there was simply no excuse for the poor positioning of the clamp bolts.

    I quickly went to look at our Outlander battery placement and bolts. Great position, with easy access bolts. Crisis averted!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,958
    edited April 2010
    Need a Miata, need a minivan. Y'all are cracking me up this morning. :shades:

    You could do like we did - got a van and threw one seat away, and now have a 5 seater with a big empty. We rarely use the 2nd row either, but it sure is a handy rig for toting stuff around.

    I do need a Miata.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited April 2010
    These are about the same size. We've wrestled with many of the measurements and each has its own advantages, depending on how and what you measure.

    Next time you go to an auto show try to catch a glimpse of a Subaru cut-away or chassis. The whole drivertrain sits below the top of the tires.

    Edit: found a Forester cutaway pic. The engine sits extremely low, just in front of the front axle, rather than on top of it like most engines. This allows a low hood, a low cowl, and good forward visibility. It also doesn't interfere much with the cabin:

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    Check out the engine block - all that weight sits ultra-low, helping keep the center of gravity nice and low.

    In Motor Trend this is why the Forester ran the quickest Figure 8 despite having the most ground clearance, a bit of a paradox.

    The Forester's roof rails are also aluminum. Less weight up high.

    Mitsu uses an aluminum roof on the GT for the same reason - to help lower the CoG.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I absolutely didn't like the frameless windows

    Yep, all gone. They helped keep pillars thin (for visibility) and reduce weight but people complained about wind noise, so window frames across the board now.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My Miata has a whopping 5 cubic feet of storage. At least it's the same top up or down.

    The van has up to 149 cubes! I think I could park the Miata inside.

    Even with 5 seats in place, I have 95 cubic feet. Acres and acres for people and cargo.

    Overkill at times but I can lay a 4'x8' sheet of plywood flat, inside, and close the hatch. Width to spare, too.

    So the Miata is tiny and the van is huge.

    Forester is a nice "medium" size that hits the sweet spot. Fun to drive, easy to park.
  • Low CoG is almost as exciting as the panoramic sunroof. Although I understand that said roof does not tilt. That's a show-stopper! :lemon:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,958
    If she didn't live 2,000 miles away, I think my sister would swap my Outback for her Forester.

    I sold my tablesaw the other day, so I think my plywood toting days are over. Something like the Outlander or Forester would be plenty big enough now I think. Or maybe I could get into ultralight backpacking and just get the Miata. Probably would have to walk 10 miles just to get the trailhead though.

    Peugeot announced good sales results this week. I bet plenty of execs at Mitsu wish a closer tie-up had worked out.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For me it's fully closed or wide open. If you open the entire moonroof and the windows it very, very nearly feels like a convertible. :shades:

    Bring sunscreen.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Put a Mitsubishi logo on this. Could be the next Galant, or make it more upscale and bring back the Diamante nameplate:

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    It looks sweet plus they could easily fit a Mitsu "face" on it.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,958
    edited April 2010
    The site you linked to doesn't allow hotlinking Juice. All the rest of us see is a stop sign unless we copy/paste the URL. :sick:

    Of course, I want this one.
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