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Ford Fiesta

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Just something to [non-permissible content removed] and bash about!
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    Yeah, I think you're right. I just checked his last 10 posts in other forums and it was all just a bunch of angry rants.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    edited April 2010
    ....and I'm extremely glad I ordered my Fiesta. The automotive media really likes this car. There is bemoaning of its 1.6 liter engine which is no surprise but they love its handling, solid ride and ultra quiet interior. And actually, some thought the engine was fine and that the Fiesta was the quickest in its class.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I`ve read almost as many reviews too all posted after the Media black-out was lifted yesterday on Apr. 26, the supposed Job1 date for full production of the 2011 Ford Fiesta at its Mexico City assembly plant. For the most part, I agree. Almost everyone was pleased with both fit,finish, handling, braking, steering, comfort, etc. A few complaints about limited back seat room but its a B-Segment sub-compact vehicle. My 2006 Kia Rio5 SX has adequate rear room for 2 adults as long as I don`t extend the front seats to the absolute end of the track. I know those that wait a year or 2 will get a vastly improved US version of the Fiesta with Eco-Boost engine performance improvements as well as other items that always get "tweeked" on first year cars. I ordered mine now cause I chose not to wait, and when they finally start running the line for the 5 door SE hatchback with the Power Moon Roof that I insisted on waiting for, I`ll be looking to get my hands on it sometime in July or August! Yikes...I just realized, its going to have" tiny" 15`` wheels and tires with the optional painted alloy rims that were included in the Sport Appearance Package.....horrors! I hope it won`t look like a Flintstone Car or a Matchbook Toy!
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    There are a lot of pictures out there that show the 15" aluminum wheels on the car and I saw a blue SE sedan with the 15" aluminum wheels at the Mpls. Auto Show and really, they looked fine on the car. Proportionally everything seemed normal.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I was just kidding. I saw the same Blue SE 4 door sedan (with) Power Moon Roof at the FT Lauderdale International Auto Show a few months ago. The Ford Factory Rep. said it was a pre-production vehicle N.A. version that was being taken to public viewings at lots of Auto Shows. Funny, several weeks later when they had the Huge Barrett-Jackson Auction & Auto Exhibit in West Palm Beach,FL they only had several of the European version Fiesta Hatchbacks for display and test drives. You would have thought that being close to production they would have brought a few N.A. version Fiesta`s there for viewing and driving. Go figure?
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I think a lot of those pre production versions were Euro cars with NA spec bumpers, interiors, lights and gas caps. At least according to one of the Fiesta Agents they were.

    I believe the production line started running on Monday (26th). Prior to that a few cars were being built on the same line to work the kinks out of the system.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Since my Fiesta will be a (late availability) build unit due to the Power Moon Roof I ordered, I hope that several months of cars coming down the assembly line will have removed some of the early kinks/glitches etc that almost all newly released vehicles have that need tweaking. Remember the launch of the Ford Escape? What a horror story! For the first month or so, there was so many Factory Service Recall Bulletins and Stop Sale Orders to dealerships it was embarrassing! I have never recalled such a botched up launch of any recent Ford product release. They even had a later JOB2 change that completely changed the steering column transmission shift lever handle. Hopefully the 2 previous years building the European version of the Fiesta will minimize the problems with the N.A. unit.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    Are you sure that was the Escape? Or are you thinking about the 2000 Focus?

    Ford does 2 things now that prevent those types of early problems.

    One - they inspect every vehicle off the line and hold production until the factory produces defect free vehicles for 5 consecutive days. Problem on day 4.5 - clock starts over at 0.

    Two - they hold all of the early production vehicles until they have been inspected and repaired if necessary.

    This can delay vehicle introduction but ensures a much higher quality level.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I can confirm what you're saying. My Fiesta reservation consultant said the line needs to produce one week of "clean" vehicles before they can build customer ordered cars.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    It was the Escape! Far more problems at first release then the 2000 Focus. They had a nation-wide factory imposed DO NOT SELL Order the first 2 weeks they vehicles first hit the dealers lot! Gas line leaks problems, brakes issues, and a multitude of other major safety factors. The first few months of the Escapes introduction was a nightmare. Ask any Ford dealership salesperson or service department if they were working at a Ford Dealership then and they will concur. I`m sure they has the same DO NOT SELL or RELEASE on its sister vehicle the Mazda Tribute that was being built along side the Escape at the same Kansas City MO assembly plant.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    When did this happen?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    The first year introduction of the new 2001 Ford Escape occurred in late summer or early fall of 2000.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    So it was right on the heels of the 2000 Focus problems. These problems were the catalyst for Ford to change their quality control processes and vehicle launch process. They haven't had those types of problems in the last 5-6 years.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Would this car compete with the Fiesta,if it had a 1.6L? I mean look what you get with a base Polo.Alot more than a Fiesta offers as standard available features. :confuse:
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    Has VW announced pricing of the Polo? I couldn't find a list of standard features anywhere so it's kind of hard to compare.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    My thoughts exactly. Because of my long commute, the most important performance spec is mpg. If I can achieve low 40's, I'll be ecstatic. The absolute least important spec is 0-60. I have over 158,000 miles on my Protege5 and the number of times I've floored it can be counted on one hand (with fingers left over:D).
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    Ford has all but confirmed future sport versions of both the Fiesta and Focus so they're on the way but as you said the focus right now (no pun intended) is fuel economy.

    I expect the performance versions will be 3 door hatches also.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    edited May 2010
    go to new cars VW and scroll dn to Polo and you can get availables and there are no options . It has it all except for bluetooth and priced 3 k lower than a Fiesta with multi level heated seats and moonroof standard. I dunno if the engine was a 1.6L I'd be looking at it real hard. :shades:
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    Looks like $16,200 is an estimated price by Edmunds. They say this also;

    "Though body styles and trim levels that will be offered here have yet to be set, a 2011 Volkswagen Polo four-door hatchback will likely debut first, followed by a two-door version. "

    That would tell me that the list of standard features are "available features", and not actually standard. You can't really have "trim levels" if everything is standard. ;) I guess you'll find out later this fall. I would expect it to be very competitive though and VW has a history of including lots of features in even their base models.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I suspect you're right. Ford knows a lot of "can't wait" enthusiasts will buy the 2011 model and trade it in the very next year for the high performance model. It's just good marketing and every car maker does it.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    Ford has all but confirmed future sport versions of both the Fiesta and Focus so they're on the way but as you said the focus right now (no pun intended) is fuel economy.

    I expect the performance versions will be 3 door hatches also.


    Yeah but with "PowerShift" (read: Automatic) transmissions. I think for the age group they are aimed at (who grew up on PS2 and can't drive a stick anyway), they will be very successful.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    No reason to believe they won't offer a true 6 spd manual on the performance vehicles. The powershift trans is built for fuel economy (dry clutch) and not high performance. Right now the powershift trans wouldn't handle the torque of a high performance engine anyway. So I'd expect a true manual for the hi-po versions.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    yup, but the 1.4 liter is a killer for Vw ,but they have a 1.4L in TDI for Polo we will never get the good stuff. Canada gets better imports than us.
  • audreyalityaudreyality Posts: 8
    edited December 2009
    "Yeah but with "PowerShift" (read: Automatic) transmissions. I think for the age group they are aimed at (who grew up on PS2 and can't drive a stick anyway), they will be very successful."

    I'm 25 and very interested in the 2011 Fiesta. I never had a PS2, but I did have an original Nintendo and currently own a PS3. Also, I drive a 5-speed manual and learned to drive on a manual clutch. Many of my friends that are around my age also know how to drive a stick and enjoy video games, so please don't make assumptions.

    I am excited to give this thing a test drive this summer. I am interested in it for it's body styling, American company origins (despite the fact they'll come from Mexico), technology features, pricing, and estimated MPG. Overall this car has a lot of nice qualities. Bundled with federal safety upgrades I think it has a lot of potential. :)
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I'm 25 and very interested in the 2011 Fiesta. I never had a PS2, but I did have an original Nintendo and currently own a PS3. Also, I drive a 5-speed manual and learned to drive on a manual clutch. Many of my friends that are around my age also know how to drive a stick and enjoy video games, so please don't make assumptions.

    I didn't mean to slight you in the least. I also don't think you are in the majority; looking in aggregate, I don't think there is a lot of demand for the manual and a younger, technology driven demographic seems to like the DSG.

    Also, why is the auto a6-speed but the manual is only a 5-speed? and why isn't the top gear deep enough to support the type of fuel economy people are looking for? If i need to pass a Ferrari going up a hill, I am okay downshifting; I like to shift, that's why I want a manual.

    I am excited to give this thing a test drive this summer. I am interested in it for it's body styling, American company origins (despite the fact they'll come from Mexico), technology features, pricing, and estimated MPG. Overall this car has a lot of nice qualities. Bundled with federal safety upgrades I think it has a lot of potential.

    I think its great Ford has a competitive package.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    So far, the only serious gripes that the auto pundits have complained about is the obvious (missing) front seat armrest! Stop the assembly lines and add this important comfort accessory. At the very least, make it available as an aftermarket bolt on that can be ordered through the dealers Parts Dept. Also, Ford should replace the HVAC knobs from the hard plastic to rubber covered knobs. Why go to the time and expense of making all the other surfaces (soft-touch) and have cheap hard plastic on the control knobs? That switch can be done as soon as the new knobs arrive.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    I saw something that referenced an armrest but I don't remember where. I do remember thinking that this would resolve those complaints.
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    So far, the only serious gripes that the auto pundits have complained about is the obvious (missing) front seat armrest!

    Sorry, but the word "serious" in this context is, in my opinion, rather over the top. It's a potential comfort accessory, i.e. could be a "nice to have" not a becessity on a car of this size/class. Not covering the HVAC controls in soft-touch material is a silly oversight but hardly a deal breaker (?). They have to keep some things back for 2012, along with the 6-spd manual. :) Be thankful they've kept it fairly true to it's European design origins and not "Americanised" it to within an inch of its life.

    On the other hand, if you're being ironic - that's fine.
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