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  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I think most cars in this class and even in the compact class have rear drums, at least in the lower level models.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716
    the fronts do the majority of the work anyway.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    They're safe and long-term maintenance costs are significantly lower than with rear disc brakes. Brake shoes (on drum brakes) are typically less expensive than brake pads for disc brakes. In addition to installing new pads, brakes discs often need to be machined (or "turned") because of warping and/or other surface damage (grooves, etc). Turning the rotors shaves the surface down to a smooth, flat finish, which also reduces the thickness of the rotor each time this is done. Eventually, the rotors will become too thin to resurface and must be replaced.

    Or you can just replace brake shoes on the rear drums and only worry about the discs on the front. The front brakes do most of the work anyway, which is why the rear drum setup works fine in most non-performance cars.
  • Sounds reasonable. But it does make me wonder why, then, don't ALL cars have that set up?
  • But it does make me wonder why, then, don't ALL cars have that set up?

    Because disc brakes are more effective than drums. Back in the mists of the 1950's, Jaguar adopted disc brakes for their race cars, (at Le Mans), when everyone else was still using drums - some of them, Mercedes for example, stupendously huge.

    Part of Jaguar's success was down to the disc brakes' better stopping power, (they could brake far later for corners), and far superior heat-shedding characteristics so the brakes worked better more frequently and for longer. Now, of course, the friction material used for race brakes, (ceramics etc), need to be "hot" to work at all but will continue to work at ridiculously high temperatures where cast-iron drums would just give up the ghost.

    The real mystery, to me, is why some manufacturers still fit drums to any cars. Can only think it's because they're cheaper to mass produce - being fairly crude bits of engineering. Treat discs reasonably and they'll last a long time, at least in my experience. A lot of the problems seen with discs is poor braking technique; braking hard from high speed then holding the car on the footbrake. This leaves a very hot spot under the pads which cools far slower than the rest of the disc = warping. Good forward planning can help a lot.

    Sorry for teaching my mother's mother how to vacuum extract the embryo from hard-shell biological ovoids - and possibly opening up a whole new debate.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    According to Tom and Ray (cartalk) the reason they are used and are cheaper is because the drum brake also serves as a parking brake without any special modifications, which is apparently not the case with discs.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    I went and saw about 12 of these Fiests's yester day. I still am in sticker shock! Them little things are shure High! The cheapest was just under 15k AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAS 21K. They seem to have good fit and finish, and nice interiors. However there were Focus's that had more room and equiped about as nice less. I think the Fiesta is overpriced because they are in a rather short supply and they will most likely have a big rebate.

    I have no need for one but If I wanted a sub compact I choose the Fiesta or the Focus over other brands, and I am not a Ford person.

    justme
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Well, wait until the new Focus Hatchback comes out.
    I think you'll become a Ford fan. I agree the Fiesta is way over priced. :shades:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    Overpriced compared to what? $15K seems cheap for such a nice car. It only gets expensive if you add expensive options.
  • I may be in the minority here, but I don't find the 2012 Focus 5 dr or sedan all that interesting.
    Speaking for myself it's a shame that Ford chose not to have a 3 dr version of the new Focus.
    I'm reminded of a Subaru Impreza upon viewing pix of this upcoming machine.
    Boring.
    The Fiesta is nice, but not the styling powerhouse I thought it would be.
    IMHO the Mazda2 is far more attractive, eventhough it lacks Sync and a sunroof option.
    Please don't misunderstand: I'm no fan of the new Chevy Cruze either.
    Again, I speak for myself.
    Peace!<-AladdinSane-<- :shades: -
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    You are definitely in the minority on both vehicles.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2010
    I still am in sticker shock!

    How about "close to £24,000 ($38,000?)"? These furnitures front & back alone will cost a fortune. But then these Recaro seats don't necessarily absorb road bumps that comfortably.

    Do these future Euro-designed Ford compacts suppose to look like low-price cars? No!

    The future VW's do. Their Control Blade suspension (engineered by the original Focus engineer) introduced about 1/2 a decade ago will no longer be standard equipement, ditto the padded dashboard! You can only get these features in the stiff-riding "GLI package" on the next Jetta! The $15,995 made-in-Mexico Jetta 2.0 will be priced to compete w/ the made-in-Mexico Fiesta w/ similar suspension set up. The Jetta will trounced everyone else in rear leg room, including every Focus/Fiesta/Golf through out the history, but..."The average consumer couldn't care less about steering feel, and the Jetta's on-center sensation delivers with a light touch and an overall lack of feedback. Compared to the electronically controlled tiller on our TDI, the hydraulic rack's steering effort is Corolla-light from lock-to-lock, with only a slight tightening when pushing through the bends."
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    I just bought a VW Golf (never thought I would) Quiet ride, nice cabin 2 MFD settings, lumbar support, moonroof,bluetooth and mutilel heated seats.
    It's a 2.5, 5spd and the milage is 27 around town to 32 on hi-way not bad for 170 hp.
    Mazda did away w/ lumbar plus the road noise is still the same. I traded in a 2008 Mazda I New Value. The VW was priced right and absorbs bumps better and the handling is sensational.
    The fFiestas do not have Lumbar support or Multi level heated seats and are way over priced and the Fiesta isn't 4 wheel ABS.The golf has alot to offer :shades:
  • Good... :)
    I'm glad not to be following the "herd"...
    Peace!<-AladdinSane- :shades: -
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2010
    Just after the turn of the Century, the U.S. Focus had both the lumbar support & the stability control (Advance Track) options available, but consumers in this country got no taste to buy them...

    Some of the seats are even imported from Europe w/ lumbar adjustment, pwr seat height, heated...like this stripped Focus SVT, which has superb steering feel no GTI/GLI these days can come close!

    But then, some seats w/o lumbar adjustment still got sufficient lumbar support.

    The Rabbit/Golf became a great car about 5 yrs ago after VW hired the original Focus engineer to engineer their suspension (read the cost-effective multi-links -- the Control Blades). But soon, VW will be too cheap to continue w/ this std feature.

    So the current Rabbit/Golf is a collector's item b/c it's the only expensively-built VW compact w/ a comfy ride!

    However, in 2007 I was on the way to a VW dealer thinking of trading in my '05 Focus ST 2.3 sedan for a new comfy/quiet Rabbit/Jetta. But VW's numb electric pwr steering appalled me so much that I've changed my mind ;)

    The exterior & weight of the current Mazda3 are bulky like a mid-size car, but w/o the quietness, smooth-ride or rear leg-room of a mid-size :sick:
  • hdbahnhdbahn Posts: 2
    It's kind of a big deal that I would have to drive 50 miles outside of Charlotte to find one. Maybe I'm showing my age, but no amount of online jabber will give me a hands-on experience with the different trim level controls, either. I've been wanting this car for more than two years now (thanks Autoweek-no thanks to all the SUV/Taurus ads in the mail from Ford), and thankfully it has some merits in driving dynamics (documented mostly by journalists and relatively little by the vast "movement") so it may still give me an excuse to use the OZ wheels off of my SVT Contour someday since they won't fit anything else besides the outgoing Focus. I hope that there will be a little more discounting for this car, since my idea of smart tech/value is the winter package, not SYNC or push button start (and no place for my SONY harddrive head unit). At 6'3" I used to think moonroofs were helpful at badly positioned traffic lights, but I never use the one I have and prefer headroom. I also can't reach the center stack (by 6"!) in a Fiesta from my seating position but the steering column is the only one I have ever not needed to pull out to the max. I will have one of these, but I'm sorry Ford put so much content in it without offering a sport suspension with the current engine, for those of us who don't drive daily in Michigan.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    I guess Ford used up the 5-sp manual tranny inventory when the Focus ST sedan was produced a few years ago. Every Focus ST sedan only came w/ 5-sp & sport suspension. The std traction control became optional for '07, but for only a few tokens just like the optional heated seats.

    The discount/factory rebate was steep. The resale value is...it's a steal to get an used one now.

    As I said before, the compact-exterior '05-07 Focus ST sedan, w/ the reliable & torquy 2.3 developed by Mazda & the multi-links, is the new Fiesta's biggest enemy.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    Strictly from a performance perspective - maybe. But the new Fiesta is much more refined with many more bells and whistles and slightly better mpg.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2010
    It was more than a year ago, when Ford allowed us to test drive the made-in-Germany stick-shift Fiesta hatchback in S California.

    On the way there, I was driving my '07 Focus ST sedan, which I paid just a little over $14k (plus tax & lic.). There's no way that Fiesta's little engine gonna rev quietly just to match my 2.3's normal acceleration. But what bothered me, besides the restricted rearward visibility width, are the electric pwr steering's less feel & the simple suspension's more body roll w/o having a softer ride.

    I also had a chance comparing to the Focus SVT hatchback from another test driver. Boy, the SVT's steering feel was so delicious it's worth a million... That car's std driver seat even got pwr seat-height adjustment. Too bad it doesn't come w/ a reliable engine developed by Mazda.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Golf VW Dub has one and 6 spd in TDI :shades:
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2010
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716
    must be building up. I stopped at a dealer yesterday, and they had 4 grouped together in the showroom (a large one though). 3 hatches and a sedan, in a circle.

    No idea how many they had on the back lot though!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    You can search inventory from fordvehicles.com. The 5 dealers near me are showing 7, 8, 11, 11, and 12 Fiestas in stock, so there are 49 within 12 miles of me. All but one has many more focuses, the numbers are 8, 14, 22, 23, and 27...that's 94 foci, nearly 2x the Fiesta numbers.

    Advertised prices of the Focus and Fiesta are about the same right now.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    Vehicles will show up in online inventory before they actually arrive on the lot and can stay for a few days after being sold. So if anyone is looking for a specific vehicle they should call the dealer before visiting.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    I agree with your post.
    However , you'll never get rid of that 2.3 you're so in love with it.What are you looking at Fiesta's for? I'd would of bought(maybe) a Focus if it was a SVT or a Mondeo.
    We don't get the good Euro cars shipped here by Ford or GM or the options. :shades:
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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    Wrong forum or wrong vehicle?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    edited October 2010
    Good point. Fat 4-cyls are precious, as those nose-heavy extra cylinders ruin FWD platforms in an ugly way. I discovered how clumsy the 6-cyl Mazda6 corners compare to the 4-cyl Mazda6 at least 5 yrs ago at the MazdaRevItUp test-drive events.

    The Europeans may love the way the 6-cyl Mondeo ST220 handles, but they've also discovered how the 4-cyl Mazdaspeed6 AWD does it even more exciting.

    But there's nothing more pleasurable than fine tuning the cornering line w/ a light-weight fat-torque naturally aspirated engine.

    So imagine a 4-cyl version of the Mondeo ST -- doesn't that remind you of our Focus ST sedan?

    The 5-cyl in the Focus ST from across the pond is garbage. That's why Ford doesn't dare to continue & the Mazdaspeed3 never bothered with it.

    Drivers around the world should envy our Focus ST w/ 2.3 or the new Mazda3 w/ 2.5. The Impreza's naturally aspirated 2.5 automatic even feels sluggish.

    Is Ford really making progress? Is the similar-size new Fiesta more pleasurable to drive or priced lower than the Focus (I) ST 2.3? I am not into the Focus' of newer generations w/ exterior width fatter than the 6-ft wide '06 Lexus LS430 limo.

    Maybe it's b/c Ford doesn't have worry about the competition anymore, as VW is starting to erase the ind rear suspension pretty much across the board :P
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    edited October 2010
    Ford to ship the Titinium , Mondeo, or an SVTFocus over the pond.
    However, we are "Second Hand Rose" as far as getting Euro Americn cars shipped here.
    We have a 2010 BMW I 6 spd and my wife's I s 250 neither one good in snow. We teach sking in Vail winters andin the summer work in Maine.
    I really screwed up and sold my Acura Types S as we needed a snow and home depot hatch.The Type S 6 spd was naturally aspirated and although the torque on the low end was lousy it was a hot hatch. That Vetec wanted to go and go.I had no problems except for cheap leather.Then I screwed up again by not getting a 2009 mazda HB 2,3 (hard to find now). They tried to sell me a V dub and I said i've never heard anything good about them and the power windows failing etc
    Well, the salesman cringed at that.
    So I bought a Mazda I New Value loaded plus lip spoiler and lumbar needed it Now ,(they are not offered ).That Mazda had RSA Good year Eagles on it (17's) and they were unsafe in rain or snow and lasted for11K.I had to buy Dunlops.The road noise and ride was terrible and I didn't need a cigarette lighter or ash tray.The cheap felt carpet was something. I know they have to make a light car.
    So, I waited for the Fiesta,and the new Focus like an idiot.Then I saw what was coming and tried the VW 6 spd TDI and 5 spd gasser.What a difference in quality,insulation in wheel wells,a nicely appointed cabin in the rear of the hatch were a net tie downs,and a 12v plug. AC goes into glove box if desired I bought the gasser as I didn't want a Turbo.
    We tested it by taking it over The Continental Divide for a 170 HP Hatch it downshifted nicely and my wife had a grab bar to hang on to.
    So, I bought it with studded front wheels to be put on next month or so, as we are at 1054 feet above sea level driving swithbacks.I think VW is back.Pretty soon I bet 5 and 6 speed trannys well be gone also. :shades:
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