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2008 Honda Civic Problems and Repairs

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  • Wow, sounds like you are cut from the same cloth as the dealer. Who are you to say my claims are exaggerstaed?

    I have professional environmental testing, which states excessive oxygen levels in the car while running. I am told not the drive it. Considering it makes one sick for 2 days upon driving, I deem it also unsafe. You maybe should read about oxygen before judging. Low/high amounts are toxic. People can die from not enough or too much oxygen. Why don't you try breathing low/high oxygen fluctuations? See how it works for you.

    Yes, everything is fixable, I agree. But the dealer is too LAZY AND STUPID to bother to look for the problem. if you have read my complaint, they are ignoring me. They are not testing the car, They are doing nothing. They are [non-permissible content removed].

    And no, driving with the windows down lessens the problem, but does not solve it. Clearly I have thought of this, and have done this, actually long before the testing.

    There should not be anything wrong with this car. Problems started at 4 months. My past honda was a 95 yes, it ran to perfection, and was not in the garage for 12 years! The now honda civic 08 is a lemon, and first showed electrical problems at 1 week old.

    How dare you state that I am exaggerating. It is this narrow minded attitude that has me without a car to drive for the past 11 months. You share the attitude of the dealer.

    civic nightmare
  • By the way, why should I have to drive with all the windows down? Below zero winter weather is not conducive to driving w the windows down. nor is rain, cold, and wet. This is why bought a car, not a bicycle.unbelievable
  • jonesbb630jonesbb630 Posts: 31
    edited March 2010
    He had actual mostly lemon stickers and if I recall, he had the word lemon written on a couple of spots on his car. I started seeing these ealry in the Summer, and had negotiated with them by September. So it took him about 5 months. And this was in Canada. He even parked the car next to the dealer's parking lot with an open hood. It was funny but had most likely gone through a nightmare like you, so I guess I should not have been laughing. I was laughing at the dealer and Nissan and not the car owner, so I guess it was ok.
  • thank you! I ordered stickers of lemons, and the word lemon, today, Will be ready Mon. I then will park the car in designated areas, to include that close to the dealer.

    Apparently, I am not the first to do this in my area. Guy cited a jag owner who did the same, and a ford owner. Great idea.
  • I can't wait to see the outcome. Keep us posted and good luck. ;)
  • jet10000jet10000 Posts: 656
    Listen to your explanation from your earlier post:

    And, the oxygen level is low, and spikes high low on driving. that is it. the headaches etc, if you look it up, come from low/high oxygen levels. the symptoms fit low oxygen.

    low, high low, low/high, low. Huh?

    If your car was truly tested by a professional, then you should be able to state that optimum percentage of oxygen is between x% and y% and at this time it reaches below x% and at this time it went above y%.

    But the way you're communicating about the matter is not clear.

    In addition, the cabin just intakes air through exterior vents, so the amount of oxygen should not vary much from the oxygen in the outside enviroment. How is the car changing the amount of oxygen in the cabin? Internal combustion engines do not produce oxygen. They produce carbon monoxide. So it's not coming from there. So where is it coming from? Your environmental specialist should be able to determine this.
  • Sorry my explanantion is not to your liking. optimum oxygen settles at 20.3, 20.2, and reaches 25 at x, 18.5 at y. Is this better for your standards? I'll be sure to pass your insult on to the scientist who detects gas etc for a living. Forgive me for simplifing tests results for a car forum! Didn't realize I needed the same standards as a court room requires.

    Generally, when you write, you should write so that the average human understands. Use of x and y, etc, is not normal conversation language. but thanks anyway for your input.

    I have no idea what is causing this problem, and frankly nor do I care at this point. the problem exists. Car was brought to the dealer, and they failed miserably at diagnosing. It is their job to diagnose and fix, not mine.

    bottom line-there is a problem, and I can not drive the car. This is a nightmare. In a car, at 6 months old, there should not be any problems. this is when problems were noted. problem has existed for 11 months. 11 months.

    A car uses oxygen to run-it mixes fuel and air. the oxygen in my car is unusually abnormal.

    What is your explanation for this, as you seem to have all the answers?

    civic owner
  • jet10000jet10000 Posts: 656
    Didn't realize I needed the same standards as a court room requires.

    Yes, you would need those standards and court is the appropriate place for this dispute.

    You would need:

    1) The detailed results of the test that you already had performed showing the levels of the oxygen when they left the optimum range.
    2) Actual scientific studies showing what ranges of oxygen are safe and unsafe.
    3) A scientific determination on where the additional oxygen is coming from. (or when it goes low, how it is being removed. ) The engine doesn't produce oxygen nor does the air conditioner nor heater. It is up to the expert to figure this out. Perhaps you are not the first to discover this situation and perhaps this work is already completed. But no automobile dealer has trained scientists on staff to do this work.

    You could also have other Civics of the same year tested for the same issue. If that is found then you could do a class action suit. If not, then you simply file suit against Honda, present your evidence, get a judgment and then it will be up to Honda engineers to figure out the issues involved.

    If there are no government regulations regarding cabin oxygen, then a government entity will not be able to assist you either.

    That's the correct procedure to resolve this matter. Calling a dealer to have them discover where extra oxygen is coming from is a waste of time as they do not have the technical knowledge to diagnose the problem.

    If you do not want to follow that course, then simply sell the vehicle. Perhaps a person with less oxygen sensitivity than yourself would have no issues whatsoever.
  • who are you?

    I simply bought a new car, a Honda, as I expect it, like past hondas I have owned, to be problem free for a long time.

    at 6 months, the car started making me sick, At 4 months, the brakes failed.
    In both cases, this means there is something wrong with the car.

    11 months later, and after me attempting to resolve car issues, I still have a car that I can not drive.

    This frankly is a hassle, a hassle that I do not want and did not ask for.

    my post is to warn others of honda issues . my honda is not the quality I have come to expect.

    Additionally, the car was and is under warranty, which means that honda should be solving its problems, not me!!!

    the dealer is/was negligent. They did not honor the warranty, and did not thoroughly attempt to diagnose my cars' problems.

    I am not oxygen sensitive, as you rudely and narrow mindedly state. Low oxygen means there is a problem. I am told not to drive the car-it is unsafe. I am not interested in driving a car that causes headaches and dizziness. your statement equals that of the dealer, who has attempted to put the onus for my car problem on me.

    The dealer has passed the buck to honda canada, honda canada has passed the buck to the dealer. I am caught in the middle. I am left holding the financial obligation for a problem car.This makes me a victim.

    the crux of the matter is that the dealer was and is TOO STUPID AND LAZY to find my car problem. they do not care. they have failed to do their job, as it is their responsibility to solve problems with my new vehicle, under warranty.

    I have been told to wear sunglasses while driving! I have been told that my "aggressive driving" is the problem. The owner of the dealership has stated that if I drove an automatic, not a standard (which mine is), the problem would go away..How stupid is this???? These findings are written in the report from the dealer.

    If I do sue Honda, I am fully aware of what is necessary to do so. This is not the point of my post.

    the point of my post is to say as loudly as I can that my new honda is a problem, and that my dealer and manufacturer have done NOTHING to honor the warranty on my vehicle.

    At 11 months and counting, I own a car that can not be driven.

    please don't respond to me again.
  • cj7375cj7375 Posts: 15
    I have 2007 Civic LX and find it very dependable car. Yes, it had the back "lower arm" thingy replaced and some other TSB done on my regular oil changes.

    But that is it. Yes, the car is noisy, but that is normal for Honda. But not too noisy. I will be replacing the tires soon, and I will buy quieter tires.

    Never heard of the oxigen problem before. And I can not find a reasonable explanation for that. Honestly, I do not even see how this is possible to happen. I am not saying it is not happening, but the car does not produce oxigen, neither deprives the car's cabine of it. So, how can this possibly happen ...

    O.K. here is what I am going to do. Since I work with Combustion analyzers that actually measure CO, CO2, and Oxigen, I will drive my Civic with the analizer inside while watching the readings.

    My analizer is professional grade (cost approx. $1,000) and it is not sold to the public, so I trust it.
  • cj7375cj7375 Posts: 15
    I just want to add something. Normal O2 level in the air should be 20.9% or rounded to 21%.

    However, some cities in the world have recorded O2 levels of 12%. That is very low.

    At 7% level of O2, life stops to exist.
  • Got a question for you:

    Have you had anyone else drive your car and got the same symptoms? As I did a bit of internet research, if nobody else gets the same symptoms as you while driving your car, this means that you may have developed a sensivity to motion/car sickness which may explain why the dealer suggest you drive an automatic transmission with smoother shifting. Were all your previous Hondas standard or auto? How long do you have to drive the car before you start feeling sick? My apoligies if you already verified this and I'm not trying to defend the dealer or Honda, but simply trying to help you find a solution.

    Cheers...
  • Now, jones, you must be a man to make such a statement! You have been helpful and nice, I do appreciate.

    try and understand that we women, myself included, are intelligent enough to know whether we are getting car sick, or to know if the car is a problem.
    my car has been tested to find low oxygen-which spikes high and low when driving-alarms have sounded. Low oxygen causes headaches, dizziness, and nausea.

    and yes, I always drive a standard. and, yes, my male neighbour took the car out. he got an earache. Also symptom of low oxygen.

    I do understand you are trying to help, but pleae don't assume because we are women, it is all in our head, or, we are sensitive.

    I've had to live my life this way, and you can see how difficult it is-it has been 11 months, no car, no solution. If Ii was a man, I would not be in this situation.

    the dealer also told me to see the doctor. this is demeaning,and something I resent.

    as I say, I do appreciate your help !
  • thanks! it has been sugegsted a few times to me that the cabin air filter may be dirty/blocked, causing this problem. It would be hilarious if this was it-the dealer would really be a dummy then. I plan to take the car to can tire tomorrow to change.check filter. It has been 11 months.

    i am interested to know the o reading in your civic. I am borrowing my neighbours fit, which does not have the same problem as mine. I have also had an automatic from the dealer way back, which was also ok
  • jet10000jet10000 Posts: 656
    edited March 2010
    the point of my post is to say as loudly as I can that my new honda is a problem, and that my dealer and manufacturer have done NOTHING to honor the warranty on my vehicle.

    At 11 months and counting, I own a car that can not be driven.

    please don't respond to me again.


    Well just as I respect your right to make such allegations in an open forum, I also will exercise my right to defend Honda against allegations if they don't align with known scientific information.

    There simply is no known way for an automobile to produce higher levels of oxygen than would normally be found in the air around the vehicle.

    In theory it's possible for the oxygen to be lower if carbon monoxide produced by the engine was somehow entered into the cabin. I suppose it's also possible that the cabin's oxygen could decline if the cabin was not properly ventilated so that the normal breathing of the cabin's occupants decreased the oxygen and increased the carbon dioxide.

    But earlier posts talked of oxygen spikes which are not possible as there would be no source for the extra oxygen. The Honda limited warranty does not cover "too much oxygen" in the cabin.

    Just because an illness occurred soon after you drove the vehicle is no guarantee that the vehicle was responsible. There could be a number of physical and/or psychological factors involved which could require the consultation of the appropriate medical personnel to be resolved.

    Regardless, if modifications to the car by the dealer have not made the vehicle so that you feel comfortable driving it, then my previous advice remains---you should sell the vehicle. As there is no law that I know of restricting the amount of oxygen in the vehicle, then Honda could not be held liable for high oxygen test results that you might have seen.

    So instead of letting the car continue to depreciate, just sell it and get a vehicle that maintains oxygen levels to your satisfaction.
  • forgot to include....the dealer / owner, on the second call I made to him personally-the call in which he hung up in my ear mid sentence, for the second time......

    after telling me how he was losing sleep over my car problem.....wish he knew what to do.....

    stated that he was unable to lose money by trading in my standard for an automatic-the dealer is a millionaire in the community, who has just donated 1 million to the local Y.

    great member of society. when I stated that this my 3rd honda purchase from him, and he would lose my business, he laughed.

    The dealer has been rude to me from the start-mechanics, head mechanic, owner.

    Way back when, at the start of this, they gave me a loaner car,. When they failed to diagnose my car, they asked for the loaner back. The service manager told me that if the car was not back by noon Sat, that he would file the car as stolen with the police.

    how's that for respect? Feels like 1910, not 2010.

    they've basically, dismissed my car issue, from the start.

    I did mention the brakes failed 2x-literally, there was no brake-like hitting a brick wall. This they blamed on my 'aggressive driving".

    In Feb I received a letter from them stating that any further work-this is diagnosis -on my car, would be at their standard hourly rate-car is under warranty, they did not do their job, did not call honda tech line,etc, but now I am supposed to pay for them to not find what is wrong with my car.

    All the boys at honda DROVE my car, and when they didn't get a headache, stated there is nothing wrong. Also, when the brakes worked for them, they stated there was no problem.

    On the first visit to honda, the service manager told me I would have to get the lease canceled, as they could not find the problem. This translates to

    I can not problem solve. I can work on a car if you tell me what to do, but I can't figure out what is wrong with it. welcome to my city.

    Enjoy
  • cj7375cj7375 Posts: 15
    the cabine's air filter is replaced in 30 sec.

    here is how ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axqD4kSORG4

    That could be your problem.
  • thanks! can tire took out the old filter today, which is blocked with dirt, and black...but did not have replacement in stock. Tomorrow, I plan to get one.

    I hope this works!
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,576
    Even though you seem to have problems with your car, folks are trying to give you help here. When you don't agree or don't like the answer, your "attitude" rears it's ugly head. Honestly, loose the attitude and just tell the poster "thanks" for responding. Sell the car already & move on. The stress will kill you and it's making the many forums you've posted in a bit "hostile". We don't do "hostile" here in Edmunds.com...this is a fun website for folks to chat and not face your attitude when you disagree.

    I was brought up with the phrase..."you get more with honey than vinegar" which is indeed true. You will never be happy with Honda whatever they end up doing so it's time to move on.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • nmarcel1nmarcel1 Posts: 21
    I have a 2009 Honda Civic LXS with 7K... in the past few weeks (weather was colder) the car was hard to start.... it sounded like a weak battery when cranking.... but the car started eventually. This happen a few times in the past month or two.... I checked the battery and alternator with a volt meter and the battery is charging at 12.5 volts with car off... when I start it the battery is charging at 13.75 volts.... I put a load on the car and see the volts drop slightly and then go back up which is normal.... I've checked the battery terminals (tight and not dirty).... has this happened to anyone else?? The car is not even a year old and has low miles. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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