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2009 Nissan Maxima

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  • Does all premium Pack come with Navagation. Thanks.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I think I can sum up your beef against the '09 Maxima as being that a) there is no manual tranmission available and b) Nissan's marketing spin refers to it as a 4DSC.

    That's pretty close. I also have issues with the Maxima's weight bloating 20% from 1995 to 2009, but the dichotomy of calling it a 4DSC and not offering a manual transimission is my bigger "beef".

    any lost sales that Nissan may experience due to the Maxima not having a manual tranmission will be a statistically insignificant number.

    That's where we disagree. IMO, the elimination of a manual transmission option from the Maxima coincides too directly with its loss of interest among enthusaists, its dissapearance from comparision tests against the 3 series and other ELLPS and the 75% reduction in annual sales form 1995 to 2008. And, at the same time, the Acura TL significantly reinvigorated its sales with the 2004 redesign which just happened to include a 6-speed manual, sport suspensioned version of the car. Nevermind that less than 10% of TL buyers selected a manual transmission, the automotive press went ga-ga over the TL 6-speed and all of the comparison tests were with that "sport" model. Manual transmission sales were only 10% of the total, but overall sales wer up over 100% between 2002/3 and 2004/5.

    I apologize for my "passion" on this issue which makes it difficult to accept where the Maxima has gone without expressing my dissapointment and hope that they are listening. In fairness to you and others that think the current 2009 is a well balanced car, CVT notwithstanding, I will concede that point. I am only suggesting that if Nissan wants to get back the serious enthusaist and capture the full market potential via the "halo" effect, it needs to "walk the walk" with a true sport version that includes a manual transmission. I believe the benefit of doing so will, over time, far exceed an additional 8% in sales volume.

    Let me also say that I appreciate a passionate debate on both sides and although our opinions may be at odds, it sure beats the hell out of apathy.
  • the flagship sporty sedan for a non-luxury badge...

    Fine - call it the flagship for a non-luxury badge.

    BTW, what's with using BMW name in Vein? No one in their spare mind should compare the current Maxima to the UDM.

    Now you're singing to the choir. I'm only responding to these repeated "Maxima vs. BMW" or "Maxima vs. Lexus" comparisons that the naysayers keep throwing out there.

    I too find it ridiculous to compare the Maxima to the BMW.
  • I think you are giving the manual transmission (and lack thereof) too much credit for the TL's rise and the Maxima's fall throughout those years.

    The TL improved nicely throughout the years, overall. The TL was becoming a better car, while the Maxima was (again, overall) losing its way and becoming "just another" Japanese sedan.

    The Maxima's loss of sales was symptomatic of its overall transition into a very boring car. Sure - those that would only buy a car with a manual tranmission were part of the many that jumped ship. But no matter how you look at it - that segment of the Maxima's customer base had little impact on Nissan's overall decline in sales. You can't possibly blame the loss of a feature that very few people ever bought in the first place for a 75% decline in overall sales over a period of years. Nor can you credit a feature that less than 10% of consumers purchase for a sales increase of over 100% over a period of years. Clearly, Nissan's decline and Acura's rise, throughout those years, must be credited with something more.

    Nissan did many things wrong throughout those years.

    The '09 Maxima is an example of Nissan once again firmly establing a brand flagship, and righting the ship.
  • Thanks for that info. Precision Grey is at the top of our wish list.
    I usually think that grey is the most boring color on cars and is at the bottom of my list. Something about Precision Grey though really looks sharp on the Maxima IMO--maybe because it looks more like a dark silver to me than grey.

    MDX: did you find a blue one? Early on they were rare at introduction. I see a fair number of blues in dealer inventories now, not as many reds, very few of whatever that green color is.
  • The Maxima's loss of sales was symptomatic of its overall transition into a very boring car. Sure - those that would only buy a car with a manual tranmission were part of the many that jumped ship. But no matter how you look at it - that segment of the Maxima's customer base had little impact on Nissan's overall decline in sales. You can't possibly blame the loss of a feature that very few people ever bought in the first place for a 75% decline in overall sales over a period of years. Nor can you credit a feature that less than 10% of consumers purchase for a sales increase of over 100% over a period of years. Clearly, Nissan's decline and Acura's rise, throughout those years, must be credited with something more.

    I think you and habitat are both right - and wrong - to an extent.

    Case in point. I own and run an engineering consulting firm that, since the early 1990's has employed roughly 100 professionals engineeres / scientists, along with a few MBA's and attorneys. We recruit up to a dozen or so new engineers annually, so our average age is in the low to mid 30's. I've watched with some interest the cars that fill our parking lot over these years. Without a doubt, the "4th generation" Maxima competed with the BMW 3 series as a "frugal" sport sedan. I distincly remember the enthusiasm for that car at the time it was intorduced. I ended up with at least 7-8 in my lot, 2 of which still survive. Probably no more than 1/3 to 1/2 of the Maximas or BMWs from that era were manual transmssions, but as habitat claims, the manual transmission was a necessity to create the brand "image" that the Maxima was a sport - or at least sporty - sedan. And if you don't think brand image is an important factor in all sales, consider that Titliest is the #1 golf ball company in the world in spite of the fact that fewer than 10% of its sales are of the $50/dozen "Professional" model used by touring pros. And Nike has become #2 in spite of the fact that you or I can't even buy the ball that Tiger uses at any price. Nissan may try its hardest to recreate the sporting image of the Maxima through advertising, but a CVT only transmission is a glaring contradiction that can't be advertised over.

    I am looking out over our lot right now as I write this and there is not a single Maxima I can see from the later vintages. A few Accords and Camrys, a few G35 sedans and coupes, several late model TL's, a few Audis, 8-10 BMW 3/5 series, but not a single post 2000 Maxima.

    Now, on your side, I would agree that the manual transmission is not the only factor affecting the Maxima's slide from grace as a sporty sedan. I believe they still offered a manual option well into this decade. But between the increased weight, stodgy styling and Nissan's decision to promote the Infiniti G35 as their primary sport sedan, the Maxima became a "has been".

    Personally, I think habitat is fighting a losing battle, albeit for very honorable reasons. Even with a manual transmission, I don't see the Maxima ever regaining the competitive position it had in 1995. As indicated, the G35 is now the "BMW 3 series fighter". And a 2008 328i will outperform a 2009 Maxima on all counts for only a couple thousand more, killing the former Maxima's 30% lower price advantage. The Acura TL jumped in with a much sportier car in 2004 and is now going to an 300hp AWD version. A manual transmission option might help dispell some of the ridicule Nissan is getting by calling the 2009 CVT Maxima a "four door sports car", but it won't roll back the clock to 1995 anymore than I could roll back BMW's clock to 1980 when I owned an original M1 sports car. (The M6 is an abomination, IMO). So, habitat, it may be best to enjoy the memories.
  • Hello all, this is my first post and just wanted to share this.

    I went to purchase 2009 Maxima SV premium package in Silver for MSRP $36,465 at Middletown Nissan/ Kia in upstate NY leased at 479 month 15000mi 39 month term. Salesman's name is John....said that this price was negotiable and once qualified we would talk about getting me a better deal. Approval went through and gave them insurance info...everything still going smooth.

    They register it(get the plates) and insurance and call me to say they had the car shipped from other location to come in and do the final paper work...car is on site and ready to go. So I ask the salesman upon arrival "hey lets talk about that price per month and MSRP"(In Jersey and NYC) this exact model is $34,500-600 MSRP... the same vehicle with the premium package. He acts like he doesn't know what I'm talking about in front of the finance manager saying, " I never said we would discuss price?" WTF?

    All of a sudden the monthly payment shoots up to $525 a month....hahaha imagine that. Oh and due to my credit not being perfect was the reasoning behind this price....credit is not as bad as they said it was....I checked months ago.

    They basically said I signed a paper to approve this price (contract)which I didn't...it was just to show I paid $100 cash to show that I paid for them to run my credit! Do not give these guys any money up front...they made me pay $100 saying they could not check my backround without it. Make you sign a paper that you gave them the 100 as a receipt but really later on they are saying that you really signed contract. I'll be calling the better business bureau if I don't get my $100 back....BEWARE of these scammers! Unbelievable!
  • Is the '09 Maxima getting the stated 26 Highway miles or are people getting better. My '06 TL gets 31-32 Highway which I know back then before they changed the SAE ratings was stickered at 30 miles/gallon highway. I also don't go under 75 on the highway and have hills/mountains to transverse so before I give the Maximan any more consideration I wanted to see if anyone had real life numbers to share. Thanks
  • Dude - where to begin with everything that went wrong with your experience (both the many things you did wrong, and the dealership).

    Nope - I give up. Too much could be written.

    I'll just leave it at this: Change your title. You have "leasing-experience woes", not "Maxima woes."
  • Does all Premium's come with Navagation. Thanks
  • My 09 is not broken in yet but my first real highway trip was 28 mpg. After my 07 was broken in I averaged 30 mpg for highway trips. I am not sure if I will hit 30 with this one though.
  • The premium package does not have navigation. The technology package contains the navigation. There are cars available that do not have both packages.
  • I had to get a new paint job because I got in an accident. The paint job came out great. I was very satisfied with it. To keep my car clean I purchased a car cover from www.carscover.com....but i'm just waiting to see if i should use it or not. I'm still unsre if its the right itme to use it...but yea, I like the paint job on it tho. So don't really want to ruin that.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    No, Premium Package does not contain Navigation. Its an additional $1800 (or so) to get the Technology package which contains the Navigation system and the hard disk unit to save your music CDs. It has capacity to save about 290 CDs to the hard disk.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    I own both an 09 Maxima and an 04 Acura TL. On the pure highway, the Maxima gets 28 mpg whereas the TL will get about 30 mpg. In mostly city driving, Maxima gets about 22mpg whereas the TL gets 23mpg. So, TL gets slightly better gas mileage.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    Maxima Fans,

    Today's USA Today newspaper contained a full review of the 2009 Maxima. Overall, a positive review with some minor gripes. In my opinion, he spent too much time discussing the "little stuff" like praising the glove box size and criticizing the noise of the sunroof open/close function. Personally, I've not noticed any unusual noises opening/closing the sunroof.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2008-09-11-nissan-maxima_N.ht- m
  • Thank you for your comment, I also hate grey tone cars for the same reason as yours, especially silver (no life to that color at all especially boring when bought with black seats). For some reason when I was on the dealer lot the day I got my car, Precision Grey looked especially nice, it had depth and gloss, and continues to catch my eye especially when just washed and waxed.
    I am more of a gold tone customer but they did away with sunlit sand, coral sand, pebble beach, and spirited bronze so precision grey it is.
    In checking inventory in 5 dealerships near my zip code, I found that the 24 cars available were available only in some shade of black/grey (from white, silver, precision grey, slate, and black, they are all some shade of black in my opinion). To add insult to injury all the cars had charcoal (black in my book) interiors, it was like going to a funeral home and picking out a coffin, just not good. The blue is a carry over from last year. Tuscan Sun is a new better looking, deeper, and darker version of last years Sonoma Sunset. The the new green color is called Mystic Jade. So in reality only 3 colors are non-shade-of-black, not much variety in a flagship vehicle.
    The interesting thing about precision grey is that most often it looks like a darker color than it is especially in the shade, very nice.
  • My 07 with 8k miles averages 27 mpg hwy at speeds below 70, 24-25 mpg at speeds 70 to 74, and below 24 above 70. Keep in mind that the car now has 6 speeds with the CVT, my 04 had only 5 speed non-CVT and got me 30-33 mpg hwy at even 75-80 mph. I just don't get the math, one more gear and less mileage, how does that happen? I won't even tell you what I get in the city....
  • WOW a polyester suit salesman can surely ruin the experience of getting a car.
    I got my 07 SE, $32,830 sticker, out the door by giving the dealer a check for $429.00 for the first monthly payment and nothing else, 39 months, 15,000 miles, tax, tag, and fees included. Really just 429.00 and out the door with only 38 payments left to pay. Monthly payment formula I use is .012 to .015 multiplied by sticker price, as long as I am within that, I sign and run, it has worked for me 5 times so far.
  • Not for nothing but the TL and Maxima comparisons are getting old on this page. One thing to consider is that the Maxima is a Nissan product. The TL is an Acura product which is a dressed up Honda, fufu car from its upscale luxury division (what a crock).
    If you are going to accurately compare vehicles, based on the division they are produced by, and target market, then do Maxima vs. Honda Accord and TL vs. Infinity G34 (Nissan's fufu upscale luxury division (what another crock)). Any continued comparison of the non upscale Nissan division product to the upscale Honda division product are unfair and not accurately matched.
    So let's see how it would work:
    Honda Accord vs Nissan Maxima vs Toyota Avalon /and/ Acura TL vs Infinity G35 vs Lexus ES 350
  • tom17tom17 Posts: 134
    They register it(get the plates) and insurance and call me to say they had the car shipped from other location to come in and do the final paper work

    The dealer went so far as to get a car from another dealer AND register it with the state AND you had not finished negotiating the sale terms ???
    Obviously the dealer had a signed contract with a negotiated price on it.
    I would never let a dealer go and get a car from another dealer w/o a signed contract for the price I wanted.
    I am surprised the dealer was able to register the car.
    Here in Florida there are numerous forms the buyer has to sign to get the car registered and titled.

    Is this the first car you ever bought ???
    Have they let you out of the deal ???
  • (Obviously the dealer had a signed contract with a negotiated price on it.)

    Yeah the signed contract was for $479 a month with 3500.....all of a sudden when I go there to pickup the car with the plates and insurance sitting on the finance managers desk....he's putting info into the computer and they guy looks at me and says payments are $525 a month?? we had to put you on a different tier?

    I stormed out of that place...called my insurance co and cancelled the insurance. I wonder if I'll get my $100 back.

    Yes, first time buying new...have negotiated many previous loans in the past on used in dealerships.
  • Here is how leasing should work.
    1- Check out the sticker price of course
    2- Ask the dealer to give you the residual value of the car at the end of the lease. (this is how much the car will be worth at the end of the lease, usually about 55 to 60% of sticker for a Japanese car 36 to 39 month lease).
    3-Subtract 2 from 1 and divide by the term of the lease, this will give you the base monthly payments.
    4- Ask for the tax amount, tags, and dealer acquisition fees if any (usually the acquisition fees are like 395 to 500), there usually is a lease termination fee and a security deposit if you are a first time customer.
    5- Add up all taxes and fees and also divide by term of lease and you will get your monthly payment.
    5- Now you negotiate the discount off the sticker price, reduction of fees and target the .012 to .015 monthly payment based on actual full sticker.

    BEWARE of any hidden fees and nonsense from salesmen, they are ALL charlatans and live off of the lies they tell their customers. Do not hesitate to walk right out of a dealer if something does not seem right, always buy late at night and towards the last day of the month (just hints). If I were you I would file a complaint with Nissan Customer Service because that dealer took your 100.00 bucks. Always be prepared to go to more than one dealer and find your best price. If not go to leasing.com and let a professional service work the deal for you for a minimal fee, they will find the car you want and have it brought to your dealer of choice. Good luck.
  • ^Thanks for the helpful information...
  • I have a nice new shiny $35,000 Maxima with 800 miles sitting in the garage with a "check engine" light. This has been going on for three weeks with three trips to dealer service with no resolution. They run a bunch of checks, replace gas cap, re-set light, and a few days later the light is on again. At this point I have major buyers remorse. On Monday I'm going to contact Nissan and request a refund so I can buy a reliable car. Yes, I know, good luck with that.
  • One of the things I wrote when I joined this blog was to look out for first year production vehicles from Nissan, I learned that lesson the hard way with my 04 Max. Good luck in trying to get Nissan to even consider helping you, their customer service sucks, much less will they work on a refund. I endured 3 years of shakes, rattles, and squeaks with Nissan customer service just telling me to take it in for service, I wish you better luck than me.
    Are you using high octane fuel? that may help, also change the brand of the gas and try out different ones. Run the car hard and blow out some deposits that may be affecting engine breathing and/or fuel flow. Again good luck, I hope it is in a nice color so that at least it looks good in your garage or driveway...
  • Yes, it's a very nice color. Perhaps I'll park it in driveway and use it as a $35,000 planter.
  • (I would file a complaint with Nissan Customer Service because that dealer took your 100.00 bucks)

    Yeah I'm giving them 2 weeks to send my money by mail then after that I'm filing a complaint with nissan.

    How would I go about doing this? I've searched online and found nothing...anyone have a link?

    For the guy with the $35000 planter, I would file a complaint with the better business bureau against that dealership!
  • Have you asked them the code it is throwing out? Take it to Auto Zone today and have them plug it in and they will tell you what is up. They do not charge for the service.

    What octane/brand of gas are you using?
  • That is one expensive planter, I am sure that the problem will be solved, sorry it may take a few trips and research to get it done. I had a Pontiac and an Altima a few years ago on which the check-engine light would come on and by running the engine hard the light would turn off. Emissions is one big cause of check-engine lights coming on.
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