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2009 Nissan Maxima



  • Spirit, yes, I agree with your analysis that the Max doesn't compete with the 3 series. But you leave out the part about the G37, which many feel is the closest Japanes competitor to the 3 series as many people cross shop those 2. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The Max has its own strong points, such as space and value, that the 3 series cannot match. I feel there are more choices for the consumer now than 15 years ago; it's a great time to be a car enthusiast, whether one favors luxury over sport or vice versa... :shades:
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Why are people comparing a BMW to the Max? Why are people stuck on a marketing gimick that Nissan has for the new Max? In many ways for 90% of the people who buy the new Max it is a sports sedan. But to sit here and beat a dead horse its getting old people. There is no way to compare a 09 to 95 Max, that is like comaring a 1995 911 to a 09 Porchse 911. Also for people to make a judgement on only a 20 minute trest drive, it took me a month to see the benefits of the CVT in my Altima Coupe, as it takes a while how to figure out how to drive one. But I can tell you, it will be VERY hard for me to go back to a "normal" automatic transmission car...
  • Why are people stuck on a marketing gimick that Nissan has for the new Max?

    Maybe you should be asking a different question - to Nissan. As in, why are they using a 13+ year old label that clearly no longer applies to the Maxima? It seems that Nissan is the one that is "stuck" here, not those that call the company to the carpet for not delivering the goods.

    I am a very satisfied owner of a 2003 BMW M5 that runs like new, so I'm not likely to be trading to a Nissan Maxima or Infinity anything anytime soon. But that does not preclude me from giving credit where it was due to Nissan. The former (1995 vintage) Maxima might not have really been a 4-door sports car, but it was clearly superior to its Japanese competition at the time and set itself apart enough to develop a loyal following among enthusiasts. Notwithstanding FWD, it did better against the BMW 3 series back then than the G35 does today. In both sale volumes and road test comparisons.

    In many ways for 90% of the people who buy the new Max it is a sports sedan.... it took me a month to see the benefits of the CVT in my Altima Coupe, as it takes a while how to figure out how to drive one.

    I sure as hell hope you are wrong on both counts. I would suspect/hope 90% of current Maxima buyers DON"T consider it a sport sedan. And if it took you a month to "figure out" how to drive a CVT, maybe it's a good thing that Nissan didn't really challenge your physical and/or mental capacities with a three pedal manual transmission.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    It simple why Nissan is using the same sloagn, it worked....

    The CVT is a different bird, and it take a while to get used to it, I wouldn't expect someone who drives a M5 to understand what I'm getting at.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    It simple why Nissan is using the same sloagn, it worked....

    Excuse me? What "worked" back in 1995 was Nissan delivering a superior product. That had real "substance" relative to its competition. Attempting to resurect that marketplace success with a marketing slogan instead of substance is why the current (or at least immediately prior) Maxima models sell a small percentage of the volume of the former one.

    You might fool a couple of naive consumers with a catchy slogan, but sooner or later you have to deliver substance or you simply embarass yourself. If I was Nissan, I'd market the 2009 Maxima for what it is - a very nice entry level/near luxury family sedan - and avoid embarassing myself by having a sales person try to expalin why a "4DSC" doesn't have anything but a CVT transmission option.

    As for a CVT taking a while to get used to - more so than an M5 6-speed manual? You lost me on that one as well. I'm successfully (mostly) teaching 4th-5th grade girls to do a crossover dribble between their legs. Please explain the challenge you had in putting the transmission into D and depressing the accelerator? Maybe I can make some beer money on the side. :)
  • Just a suggestion for those of you who own the 09 Maxima, Motor Trend January 09 issue identifies the reasons for which the car did not win Car of the Year and why it is not considered a good value. Those of you who have been criticizing the CVT and the designation as a "4DSC" will find validation in the article. I would pay close attention to the last sentence in the article, Nissan would need to drop such a power plant and match it with the right transmission into the "Sport Package" version to really back up its claim, until then the $2,300.00 option should be called the "Sport Appearance Package."
    Enjoy and to all a Happy New Year!!!!
  • I've looked at the Maxima and the satelite (sirius/xm) is available as part of the tech package. Does anyone know if the satelite radio can be added to the SV without opting for the expensive Tech Package?
  • out4catout4cat Posts: 91
    You can go on pick the Maxima and build your own, all models and options are available that way. Having satellite radio is a great thing.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    The xm radio is standard with three months free service. No need to order the tech package.
  • draz2draz2 Posts: 50
    And then I drove the car. On a positive note, I love the exterior styling and the interior is pretty sharp too. The steering is superb and the brakes are awesome. I think the orange dashboard lighting is glaring and tacky. I found the nav system to be nowhere near as clear as that on my current Lexus ES350 (2007). Now for the really negative. The engine under acceleration was unbearably loud and the CVT transmission felt like a very loose rubber band. I suppose you could get used to those things but I really don't want to feel like I'm driving a Mack truck every time I pull away from a light. A real shame because I thought this might be a real steal in the under $40k category. I guess it just goes to reaffirm the old point..."if it's too good to be true, it probably is."

    Too bad. I was all set to be in love.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    Take a test drive in a cadillac cts [rwd or awd]. Rated well and priced right.
  • out4catout4cat Posts: 91
    Cadillac CTS is also distinctively styled but not overwrought, better engined and transmissioned, better color options, and the interior is truly luxurious (no fake wood that looks like contact paper). ENJOY!!
  • draz2draz2 Posts: 50
    I might except for the fact that my wife has always sworn that she would never, ever, drive in a Cadillac. Something about 80 year olds with blue hair and Miami Beach. Hell, I can't even get her to let me consider the Lincoln MKS. Once she sees the CTS I may be able to get her to rethink these positions but I'm not holding my breath.
    So I'm thinking the Acura TL (probably too small in the interior), the Acura RL (sells like crap so there are probably some awesome deals out there), the Audi A6, M-B E350 (I can get a lease on an outgoing E Class for $725/month on a 20k mile/yr lease) or the BMW 5 Series.
    Any thoughts?
    I'm still pissed the Maxima was/is not a better car....I really thought I had found a steal. Grrrrrrr ;-) :mad:
  • Depends on what kind of ride you like

    If you think TL is small..RL is smaller
    Infiniti M is another good car and not selling well.
    Hyundai Genesis..yes its hyundai.. but its best value out there
    Jag XF?..If you are considering MB then XF may not be out of your price range
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    chevy impala ltz or malibu ltz could be players and save you 8-10k for starbucks.
  • draz2draz2 Posts: 50
    Yeah, but I need a little more status that an Imapla or a Malibu.

    Hey, I'm insecure, what can I tell you? ;)
  • draz2draz2 Posts: 50
    The TL is bigger inside than the RL??? Then again I do remember th RL being kind of cramped inside from about three years ago when I cross shopped it before getting the 2007 ES350. But I had thouught they extensively redesigned the RL since then.

    Infinity M is a great car and I might well end up getting it. I'm not in love with the exterior but the interior is simply gorgeous.

    I'd be all over the Genesis except for the fact that it's RWD only and I live in NY where we get a lot of snow. So I'm limiting my search to AWD or FWD vehicles.

    XF is a nice enough looking car but it's priced thru the roof and it's reliability is a question mark (it is a Jag, after

    The M-B E-Series is priced way high but M-B seems to have a pattern of offering really deep discounts on both purchases and leases. This will especially be the case as they attempt to liquidate inventory to make way for the "new" E-Class due out in Aug. (I'll be ending my ES350 lease in June). So I think the outgoing E-Class may be an especially great deal around then. That and I despise the photos I've seen of the new E-Class (looks like a C-Class on steroids).

    The Audi A6 is of great interest to me. Now with the supercharged 3.0 engine it rectifies the anemic performance of the former naturally aspirated "3.2" (it was actually a 3.1 liter engine BTW). Problem is that Audi wisely had made it's reputation in the past by undercutting its German rivals by about $5-7k on the same class of car. That no longer seems to be the case and they may be pricing themselves right out of the market. Too bad because the Audi's are great looking cars both on the exterior and especially on their class leading interiors.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    Saw a new mb 300c awd at the mall. List 39900. Been there for 6 months. Beautiful car. Must be a deal there. My wife even went ooooh!
  • out4catout4cat Posts: 91
    draz I am curious as to why not stick with Lexus, did you not like the ES you now drive or are you simply looking to break away from the brand?
    Have you considered the Pontiac G8, above the Malibu and Impala, more power, great reviews.
    I am sure that a good close look and test drive of the Caddy CTS and your wife will certainly realize it is not the blue hair vehicle of years ago. Have you seen the commercials with Kate Walsh in one of those, SMOKIN HOT!!! Recent Motor Trend articles have placed the CTS-V above the M5, yes above the M5....Good Luck!!
  • I am interested in purchasing a 2009 Maxima and have read all the technical information available. I do a lot of driving on hills in snow and ice in Maine and my Lexus E330 is O.K. but not great. The all wheel drive Audi I owned previously was much better in this respect, but not in reliability.

    The literature on the Maxima notes that it has traction control, which aparently only reduces the throttle when slippage occurs. However, it does not seem to have a limited slip differential which I have always thought the best way to eliminate getting stuck in the snow.

    I would appreciate hearing from folks who have had experience with driving in snow and ice in the '09 Maxima. I love all the other features of the car.
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