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2008.5 MAZDASPEED 3

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  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    Yeah, if you're a RWD sports car fan, you'll really never be happy with FWD. I'm coming out of a series of large four door FWD sedans with 230-250 hp and AT. I'm used to FWD and the MS3 is so much lighter, quicker steering and faster that it's pretty thrilling to drive to me. It would be better RWD though. I find the torque steer kind of fun actually. I haven't experienced any wheel hop yet--is that from dropping the clutch on wet pavement? But, I've got a cp-e rear mm sitting in the garage (which reportedly solves it). Glad to hear its been trouble-free.

    Hey before you hit the track, be sure to watch the Nurburgring videos on U-Tube. I figure when I develop the talent (never) to drive the MS3 like that, then I'll complain about its shortcomings.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,854
    I haven't experienced any wheel hop yet--is that from dropping the clutch on wet pavement?

    Nope, just accelerating on wet pavement- at anything more than @1/2 throttle. And it happens in the first three gears. It sounds like someone is hitting the firewall with a ten pound sledgehammer.

    Hey before you hit the track, be sure to watch the Nurburgring videos on U-Tube. I figure when I develop the talent (never) to drive the MS3 like that, then I'll complain about its shortcomings.

    That was actually kind of a secondary reason for buying it. I instruct at a few BMW CCA driving schools every year, and I thought that accumulating a significant amount of seat time in a FWD car would help me assist students who drive FWD cars. I guess I've learned about all I can stand... :P

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    Have you investigated the aftermarket rear motor mounts? They are claimed to eliminate wheel hop. Many of the early ones had polyurethane bushings which are stiff and transmit a lot of vibration through the shifter. cp-e introduced one recently that has an EPDM (rubber) bushing in a massive (and beautiful) CNC machined, billet aluminum body. Users are proclaiming it the best yet in terms of minimal vibration and elimination of wheel hop. The raves were so good, I bought one before I got my car! I haven't installed it yet, I'm waiting for the first oil change to get under the car. If wheel hop is spoiling your enjoyment of the car, I would highly recommend checking out aftermarket rear motor mounts.
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    Hey -
    Just curious if anyone on here had owned an Integra GS-R in the past? I owned a 98 and it was the best, most fun car I have owned to date. I miss that thing! Anywho, if you have, how does the MS3 compare?
    I own a TSX now (auto) which is quite nice and I like it alot, it just doesn't have the "soul" the GS-R did. I was looking at the MS3 when I got the TSX, but didn't like any of the colors... now they have my favorite - white!
    Love reading this board, keep up the posts. Oh, and if you have another forum to talk about MS3 please let me know... my profile should have my contact info in it. :)
  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    No GS-R experience here but interesting that you are comparing the MS3 to the TSX. I loved the original one and nearly bought it. The car was (is) so good, it can get away with only 200 hp. I had signed up on the Acura site for updates on the new one thinking for sure they would drop the turbo'd 250hp+ motor in there. I was really disappointed to find out it was heavier, had no more power and an ugly snout to boot. Anyway, I got an indepth survey from a third party firm representing Acura as to why I didn't buy one. And, I let them know in no uncertain terms. I think Acura will be puzzled to find that their potential customers are going downmarket to get more car for $5,000 less. I only test drove the original TSX so I don't have a lot of time in them but I remember it fondly. The MS3 has a little sharper steering and much grippier tires so its limits are higher than TSX. Its easy to induce torque-steer, but its kinda fun and not really a nuisance to me. Of course the greater acceleration is always fun and useful. I think you'd really enjoy the MS3 if you are looking for much higher performance levels and can tolerate a stiffer suspension and a little less overall refinement.
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    The reason I compared the two was because of past experiences with prior products in each line (GS-R and 2 Protege5's). I loved both cars. I am more set on handling with some comfort than on pure luxury or pure sport (ie: STI) and liked the balance of these in each of the two cars. Yes, the TSX dips a bit more on the luxury side than the MS3, but it's sporty enough to keep me happy. (I love the seats and it corners great for a four door sedan.) It's quieter than the P5 for sure, but by no means quiet like other luxury cars.
    I do not like the new TSX at all. This was cemented when I saw in person this weekend... All I can say is "ICK". Where did all of the Honda/Acura designers go from the 80's and early 90's??? Now all of the designs look so contrived. I loved the 80's/90's Preludes, the 93 Civic Coupe is the best of any that they've had (imho), and the CRX... ahh... Although Honda seems to have come back a bit with the new Accord Coupe. (I like the styling alot but don't think I would ever get one myself.)
    I'm only 15 months into a 36 month lease, so not sure I want to take the hit to get out of it... at the same time I'm not sure what the future of the MS3 is... Hopefully they'll continue making them in the new body style (??).
  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    Mazda is making '09 MS3s now. How long they will make them is uncertain. At some point they will stop to convert the production line to the new 2010 3 model and that will be the end of the Speed 3. Press rumors are mentioning a new Miata-speed and perhaps a 2 speed when they bring that car to the states. So, if you want a Speed 3, you're going to have to get one of the '09s before they disappear.
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    Hey, thanks indydriver, I didn't know that they were going to make 09 MS3's! Knowing that I can wait until next spring and get out of my lease just a year early... depreciation is tracking pretty good, so I will probably (hopefully) "breakeven" next year!
    So, is the 09 the same as the 08.5 that you know of?
  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    AVI-can help here since he works at a dealer. I believe the 08.5 is exactly the same as the 09's, except: A dealer told me Mazda was discontinuing black mica so that 09 colors would be white, gray and red, but I haven't confirmed this. One caution: Just because there is an "09" model doesn't mean they're going to be producing them or that they'll be available all next year. Since they are planning for the model changeover to the 2010, they could complete production of the '09 Speed late this year or early next year. This is just speculation on my part but my point is, don't wait too long or they will be gone.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Lemme see if I can help you here. Mazda is producing the 2009 Mazdaspeed3 as we speak. Expect them to arrive on dealer lots in early fall (September-October). They are identical to the 2008.5's. Colors are Black Mica, Metropolitan Gray, True Red and Crystal White Pearl.

    Good Luck!
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    Well thanks to both of you for the information... Maybe I'll take a look at the end of December or January :-)
    Have a great 4th everyone!
  • sudiesudie Posts: 1
    I am thinking of buying this model and am wondering how it will handle in snow - any thoughts? Still debating manual or aut. Also, would 16" tires handle better in winter driving conditions?
    Thanks.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    You're in the Mazdaspeed3 not the Mazda3 forum.

    But to answer your questions, with snow tires you should have no problem. Many drivers choose tires for the snow that are downsized from regular summer tires (e.g. go from 17" summer tires to 16" winter tires). I run on 16" in the summer and 15" in the winter.
  • indydriverindydriver Posts: 620
    And the reason for this is, psi of weight or downforce on the tire contact patch. So, if the car's weight remains the same and you do a -1 or -2 winter wheel/tire application, you will have more weight per square inch pressing the biting surface of the tire into the snow or ice.
  • zzoomp09zzoomp09 Posts: 30
    Got my new MS3 Sport for 21950 including destination charge which is invoice price. Options were wheel locks, all-weather mats and auto-dimming mirror.

    Some features are a downgrade from my previous 3 5dr GT like the HID's, LED tails, Bose and my moonroof. I'll convert to HID's in about 2 months, the LED tails, I like the aftermarket ones and they're cheaper, the stock speakers are fine for my tastes. I'm really missing the moonroof though. But I'll just drive somewhat aggressive and I'll forget the lack of moonroof. ;)
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,854
    I'm really missing the moonroof though. But I'll just drive somewhat aggressive and I'll forget the lack of moonroof.

    The lack of a moonroof was a selling point for me. I don't want an extra 60-70 pounds added in the worst possible place. As racer TC Kline puts it, "It's like bolting your battery to the roof.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • peddler3peddler3 Posts: 10
    Does the O9 MS3 have that same ignition key removal button as the other manual transmission mazda 3's? I find it a bit irritating and outdated? Does anyone have a trick for bypassing it? I don't see whay they need it when every other manufacturer can have a manual trans w/o it.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,854
    Does the O9 MS3 have that same ignition key removal button as the other manual transmission mazda 3's? I find it a bit irritating and outdated? Does anyone have a trick for bypassing it? I don't see whay they need it when every other manufacturer can have a manual trans w/o it.

    It is a pain, but you get used to it. I'd also like to ashcan the ignition/clutch interlock.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Here here, with a new salesperson (saleswoman no less) I felt like a dope flapping around trying to turn the key for 20 seconds or so while we mutually learned the car's nuances.

    Haha, come to think of it she even left the car's hood unlatched (hook still engaged though) so when I "tested the acceleration" onto the interstate i got a little nervous when i noticed the hood vibrating.

    Oh well, I'm hoping to nail down the specific vehicle this week and negotiate down well off invoice for a 2008.5 since I read the 2009s are coming out soon.

    To the original complaint... the little button click (as will most funky new features) actually becomes mechanical after a few months of ownership.
  • Good luck with your purchase negotiations. I bought my 2008.5 in June at $300 below invoice. The factory began making '09's in June so they should be arriving at dealers this month. I've only had my car for two months and I don't even notice the key release button anymore. BTW, it doesn't involve the starting procedure, only key removal.
  • Unfortunately, I've got a CEL already. I will be going into the dealer later today to get it diagnosed. Yes, its got a full tank. Yes, the gas cap is on tight. The service advisor said a solid light probably indicates a sensor problem. Apparently, a flashing light is more urgent as it indicates a driveability issue and should not be driven. My light is solid and it drives just fine.
  • BTW, it doesn't involve the starting procedure, only key removal.

    Oh yea, I was talking about the clutch startup lock.

    Also, this is the only forum that mentions the 2009 speed 3 being a definite go, are there any published sources?
  • Plenty. They made a batch of '09s in June which should be arriving at dealerships now.
  • I was hoping for link to an article or something of that nature :)
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    Are on dealer lots... at least in MN. Same as 2008.5's.
  • I want to hear more on what people have been paying for MS3's lately! Unfortunately they are not included in the financing incentives Mazda has for all its other cars.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,854
    I've heard of some good deals on some of the other Mazda forums. I know ou can now get an MS3 on S Plan(a friends/family plan similar to Ford's X Plan).

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Sorry if this is a dumb question but I've never leased a vehicle so I wasn't sure if thats considered an "incentive". If they do lease them, does anyone have any ideas what they would run per month? Any estimate numbers wise would do. Thanks.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,854
    Mazda hasn't advertised an attractive MS3 lease. You can almost certainly lease one, but it won't be a very good deal.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • orca3orca3 Posts: 11
    Bought my '09,true red speed3 last Oct.- $23460.00 - traded my '07 mazda3 touring(17,000 miles) - price after trade $19,000.00 - bonus is that here in NH we have
    NO sales tax! Was this a good deal ? I was happy - took me over an hour to
    negotiate - thought I did well.
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