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BMW X5 Diesel Reliability



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Hello, Triple A, I am at the top of Pike's Peak and my car won't start. Can I get a tow back to town? I have test driven and liked the X5 diesel a lot. The Urea is the deal killer for me. If I don't find some other diesel SUV, I will opt for a year old used ML320 CDI that does not use Urea. Urea injection is not a good system. There are better ways to cut NoX. It is really just CARB trying to keep diesel cars out of CA. The Non urea system was approved by the EPA.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    The Non urea system was approved by the EPA.

    I'm happy with anything that won't get me stranded. :)

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    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I can live with flashing check engine lights on the dash. Not allowing a vehicle to start is unacceptable. It was all part of the deal to get CARB on board with diesels.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Flashing lights I could handle but I'd be a bit perturbed if the powers that be opted for chimes. :mad:

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    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • You're kidding right?
    Being stranded at the top of Pike's Peak is like being 'stranded' at the National Monument on the 4th of July... For one, you can't enter but from HWY-24 outside Manitou and the US Forest Service checks your brakes and advises on fuel levels and a tow to Winslow BMW in C-Springs is about $80.00. B, you’re never alone up there (if you drove). Um Nr. drei, why would you drive when it's only a ten mile hike or $15.00USD on the cog railway?

    I would venture a bet that running your blue empty would set you back much more tan $80.00 anyway.

    I am not countering a Gov Intervention argument here, but are you seriously comparing the ML320 to the X5 or just whining??? BMW's blue is newer, but seriously... the ML320:X5?????? Really???? Have you driven both? I suppose if all you care about is the recycled dinosaurs you’re putting in the tank, I could understand. But being that the Western station on HWY-24 is selling Diesel at $3.28/gal right now and is the lowest in all of Teller County, what’s your point? Especially when it comes to the X5 mileage vs. the ML320?

    I happened to have just bought an X5D in Germany (US Standard - taking it back to Colorado in 2yrs) and don't really see your point here.... The diesel blows the 4.8 away when rolling and the ML320 is not a comparison to the X5 (x3 maybe but there no X3d)

    Just wanted to weigh in a bit - but really more wanted to understand the comparison.
    You went with the ML320 over the X5 based on this alone?
    No offense…
  • zoey4zoey4 Posts: 5
    I own a 2004 mdx with 90000 miles on it. we are starting to have small problems with it and thought it might be a good time to start looking. I fell in love with the X5 and am very interested in the diesel. I am a bit put off on the price tag, I have priced it out using my american express auto buying to about 63K (premium pkg, tech pkg, sport pkg, ipod, satelite, 3rd row and rear climate, comfort access) would like to add the tire insurace so this gets very pricey, can get top of the line mdx for about 45K. is the X5 worth it?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    is the X5 worth it?

    Ultimately, only you can decide that. For myself, I would see $63K - $45K = $18K and ask what would I like to do with that $18K. :)

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  • trabd123trabd123 Posts: 37
    63k is very high. The quote I received last week for similar features was around 54k.

    Which X5 model are you mentioning here? Is it x3.0 or x4.8 or 35d (diesel)?

    I read on the MDX discussion site that Acura (Honda) is not producing any additional MDX cars this year (very low inventory) so the price now is around 49k with only tech package. In addition to the bad attitude of the Acura dealers sales persons, they are turning down deals for $200 or $300 difference.
  • zoey4zoey4 Posts: 5
    i am buying not leasing, the bmw quote was for diesel with tech, premium,and sport package, 3rd row and rear climate and comfort access. if i could get it for 54 i would probably do it. Acura has been very nice and they have been aggressively calling me.
  • zoey4zoey4 Posts: 5
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  • zoey4zoey4 Posts: 5
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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Just wanted to weigh in a bit - but really more wanted to understand the comparison.
    You went with the ML320 over the X5 based on this alone?
    No offense…

    I have driven both. And performance wise the X5D is a clear winner. Comfort wise the ML320 CDI is the winner. The back seats of the ML are far more comfortable than the X5. The reason I would buy the used ML320 CDI is to get away from the Urea injection system. The X5 has a slight advantage in looks. I am not fond of either one. I like the looks of the Touareg/Cayenne better. The Touareg V6 TDI has a much higher tow rating than the X5 or ML. The Touareg also has a larger payload. Add to that I have dealt with the VW dealer and like them. The 7 passenger is a joke in the X5 so it really does not count for anything. The X3 is a mini SUV compared to the others I am looking at. San Diego Diesel is less than Regular and far less than Premium needed for the gas guzzlers. I have a gas guzzler SUV now that I will keep if I do not buy a diesel SUV.

    Life is a compromise.
  • palmharborpalmharbor Posts: 26
    Two weeks ago I traded my 2006 Mercedes Benz ML500 for a 2009 BMW X5 diesel with the Premium Package, the Sport Package, Third Row Seats, heated front seats, and Satellite radio. After 500 miles I am getting just over 20 mpg around town, but haven't had it out on the road yet.

    I have started a journal about the good, the bad, and the ugly of this vehicle, and am comparing features with my ML500.

    So far, more good than bad, but the iDrive is certainly hard to learn.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    When you bought/leased the 2009 X5 Diesel, were you aware of the $1,800 tax credit? That certainly will help off-set the fuel costs.

    For comparison purposes, one of my previous X5's was a 4.8i V-8. Around town, that vehicle got about 16 mpg in pure city driving. Combined highway/city driving mpg was about 19 mpg. So 20 mpg driving around town is a significant improvement over the V-8.
  • Does anyone have any concerns/bad events with the diesels in cold weather? I ask this because I am interested in them but will be moving up to Green bay in November. Thanks
  • My family have had diesels up in Syracuse for years. None of the post-Y2K diesels really had any trouble with them starting or running due to cold weather.

    When I test-drove a 335d it was in single-digit weather. Ran like a champ.

    By comparison, my Subaru with its turbo petrol engine was running like garbage that day.

    I've owned both turbo gas/diesel and have found the diesels actually to be less finicky due to weather (or at least less noticable). Sure their peak torque will be down due to weather sometimes, but its still more torque than you can shake a stick at, so whatever performance loss is imperceptible, IMO.

    The old International and Cummins (pre-1990) were hard to start without ether injection. That was the real down-side. Haven't had any problems in the last decade.
  • Every so often, and not when I am doing anything in particular, I will hear four loud beeps, but the vehicle runs fine and there are no warning lights. Any ideas?
  • Is it possible that there is no way to lock either the glove compartment or the center console in a 2009 BMW X5? I can't find an obvious lock, and the owners manual is silent. :(
  • An update - After several emails with my salesman, we discovered that the hour reminder was set in the iDrive window where time can be changed. :)
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