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2010 Toyota Camry

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    That's a good idea but at this point we need to just go there to continue. But thanks, I appreciate your suggestion.
  • madpistolmadpistol Posts: 126
    The Camry desperately needs a new 4-cyl. With Honda pushing a 190hp 2.4L and Nissan pushing a 175hp (180 lb/ft torque) 2.5L, Toyota desperately needs something to get them back up to par with the other "big dogs" in the Japanese Auto world. I wonder if they'll revise some of the features in the SE model too. It would be nice to include dual-zone climate control as standard.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    What's the torque on the Accord vs. current 2.4 Camry?
  • caazcaaz Posts: 203
    Toyota 4 cyl 158bhp 161 ft lbs torque
    Honda 4 cyl 177bhp 161 ft lbs torque
    Honda ex 4cyl 190bhp 162 ft lbs torque

    I dont see toyota being behind since torque is what counts.

    Honda v6 271 bhp 254 ft lbs torque
    Toyota v6 268 bhp 248 ft lbs torque

    Hmmm Madpistol, i'm still not seeing Toyota way behind or needing anything really to catch up. These torque numbers tell me Toyota doesnt "desperately need "to do much of anything. They will always be neck and neck, thats what competition is all about.

    Later
    Caaz
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I agree; besides the days of horsepower wars for 4-cylinder cars in particular should be passe. I'd rather have better fuel economy.

    I never found my former '97 Camry 4 with a "measly" 133 hp inadequate for doing what had to be done (merging into freeway traffic for one). The trick is getting up to speed on the onramp BEFORE you hit the acceleration lane. (I realize this may not be possible in places with antiquated freeways like NYC, but in VA, no problem.)
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    Expect the 2010 Camry get all new AR series engine, 2.5L I4 179hp/173 lb-ft torque with Dual VVT-i. The hp rating is higher than both Accord LX's K24 & Nissan Altima's QR25. We should also expect the fuel economy to improve on Camry.

    Here is a note: Despite 2007-2009 Camry current has only 2.4L 158hp, the accord LX with 177 hp has a slower 0-60 times.
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    With a 6 speed auto, the 2.5L should have 22/33 mpg.
  • waltchanwaltchan Posts: 123
    I saw the new 2.5L engine for the upcoming 2010 Camry. It was from a 2009 RAV-4, which will be identical. The engine is about 10% smaller than the previous 2.4L, 15% lighter, and has electric power steering. Although more fuel-efficient, I would watch out with the electric power steering because the 2010 Camry probably will not handle as well as the hydraulic ones in the 2.4L, and will probably score lower by Consumer Reports in the next test rating. If you are really concerned with handling, I suggest you to pick up a 2009 as soon as possible.
  • lucky_777lucky_777 Posts: 205
    Current Highlander has electric assisted steering and it works just fine. New engine, transmission, and electric steering sounds way too much for Camry midlife refresh. I don't recall Toyota making these many changes for existing models. This would be almost completely redesigned car from what is being produced now.
  • dm157dm157 Posts: 4
    Does anyone have a spy shot yet of the 2010 Toyota Camry? I realize this will only be a mid cycle refresh but I think the front end (grill? lights?) is changing.
  • waltchanwaltchan Posts: 123
    New engine and electric power steering are confirmed for 2010, but Toyota is still debating whether to continue using 5-speed automatic or 6-speed automatic.
  • dm157dm157 Posts: 4
    To "seatoyotasales": Does your PowerPoint have a picture of the 2010 Toyota Camry? Or is there any other source that might?
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Electric power steering can be dangerous for Camry. The Corolla with the electric steering is getting so many bad reviews, like never before for a Toyota. Yeah, I know some owners report "it's not that bad, you get used to it, etc. etc.". but why take a chance. I think it's not improving much the mileage - maybe 0.5 mpg better? So don't bother. The steering of the current cars are already behind competitors (at least in the eyes of the driving enthusiast's), and electric assisted will make it even worse. So my suggestion to Toyota, get rid of the electric steering, and get back to the regular steering with good feedback, on both, the Camry and Corolla.

    The Corolla Still sold well due to the excellent fuel economy (best in class, according to CR), so if mileage is the main concern, it will not affect the product as much, but the Camry is more than just a top-mileage vehicle. It is the benchmark for midsize sedans. So I recommend to watch out.

    I also hope to see in the 2010 illuminated controls for all power windows, door locks, and mirrors. And bluetooth available in ALL models.
  • waltchanwaltchan Posts: 123
    I'm afraid that electric power steering in 2010 Camry is already final and there will not be any more modifications in the new 2.5L I4 engine. I predict when 2010 comes, Toyota Camry's rating will drop at least 5 points, making Camry's rating behind Hyundai Sonata and Chevrolet Malibu for the first time ever, and possibly Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan as well.
  • hi all,
    anyone has any pic for the facelift camry? there are suppose to be 2 types of design, one for japan domestic, one for export, like ASEAN and australia, we got the design made in thailand.
    cant wait to see the facelift version.
    the other thing is, if its 2.5L, confirm 6-speed auto? confirm production in feb 2009?
    cheers
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Auto manufacturers are doing everything possible to improve FE.

    Electric power stearing will be only one of those.

    I would have advised a variable displacement ATF pump within the transaxle to supply pressure for both functions.

    The newest Porsche 911 engine uses an electric pump for engine internal lubrication to avoid the HUGE level of overpumping with a standard gear type pump at high engine RPM, 20HP gain...(?).
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If you are really concerned with handling, I suggest you to pick up a 2009 as soon as possible.

    If you are really concerned with handling, I suggest looking at other vehicles besides Toyota. I don't drive sports cars, but rather 4-door midsizers, but the Toyota's combo of a brake pedal with all the confidence-inspiring feel of mirangue and uncommunicative truck-like steering makes for a very unsecure feeling when maneuvering, to me. Even the SE suffers from numbness.

    I'm not expecting it, but I'm hopeful that this is improved for 2010.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Anyone really concerned with handling would NEVER consider a FWD or F/AWD vehicle.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    There you go again, as Ronald Reagan would have said.

    Oh the horror of front-wheel drive!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Those of us who don't race on track-days but still appreciate the benefits of the front-drive vehicles offered in the marketplace will certainly consider vehicles with good handling. The Camry just isn't one of those.

    What are you doing here in a Camry forum, anyway? Shouldn't you be out powersliding somewhere? :) ;)
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    "...anyone has any pic for the facelift Camry?..."

    While I don't have any pic, my prediction is that it will not be as good as the current version. Leave it for Toyota -- every mid-cycle refresh must be worse than the first version, so it looks like an afterthought. If you remember the last Camry redesign (I think it was 2005) you'll know what I mean. Same for other models, like Sienna, etc.

    The new refreshed 2010 Ford Fusion, on the other hand, seems to be much more advanced in design, and will be an improvement over the current version -- especially in the front grille section, which will blend beautifully into the front end.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Somehow he thinks understeer is the worst thing in the world. So you may be on to something -- powersliding is the way to go! ;)
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    When I "powerslide" my RWD vehicle, or inadvertently find the rear attempting to "lead", I still have, as a rule, the front wheel traction with which to maintain directional control.

    No one in their right mind would intentionally drive a FWD into an "understearing" circumstance on the public roadbeds in wintertime since recovery is simply a "game of chance". But then there is the subject of unintentional or inadvertent "understearing", in those conditions, what then...??
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    With the Stability Control systems which are standard in many vehicles (including the 2010 Camry, the new Mazda 6, Honda Accord, Hyundai Sonata, et cetera), you'll be no better off in a rear-drive car than a front-drive car.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...you'll be no better off..."

    Wrong, DEAD wrong...!!

    Assuming equally capable VSC systems the RWD or R/AWD will still remain less hazardous overall, but certainly so in wintertime conditions.

    Look at how, what most VSC systems do for a vehicle that is understearing. On the assumption that the front wheels have no "reserve" traction they dethrottle the engine and apply braking to the rear wheels, hopefully remaining with some "reserve" traction. Some of newer vehicles with electric power stearing will even apply a counter-stearing force to the stearing wheel against your stearing control input.

    With over-stearing it is presumed that some reserve traction remains at the front so differential braking is used at the front to create a "moment" counter to the over-stearing direction.

    But in a rather strange way it may be that you are correct.

    Since wheelspin/slip due to engine torque is so potentially hazardous in a FWD or F/AWD the VSC/TC systems will be inordinately QUICK, in comparison to RWD or R/AWD(***), to dethrottle the engine the very INSTANT wheelspin/slip is detected.

    The result.....??

    Increased SAFETY of FWD and F/AWD since fewer FWD and F/AWD owners will venture out once they initially encounter TC activation.

    *** Since the potential for loss of directional control isn't as great for RWD or R/AWD vehicles many TC systems delay dethrottling the engine for several hundred milliseconds once wheelspin/slips develops due to engine torque. If the driver doesn't respond fairly quickly by feathering the throttle then TC will then dethrottle the engine.
  • The first time I heard about it is from Yamaha. It is used in some of their ATVs. It is efficient and clean. It may take some time before the auto manufacturers bring it to perfection in terms of durability and handling. If the long term durability exceeds the current hydraulic system, then there is no point of going back to the hydraulic pump. Also, I believe the electric motor should be cheaper and easier to change than the pump.
  • waltchanwaltchan Posts: 123
    Should the electric motor go out in the electric power steering, will the vehicle steering stop functioning all together, and you cannot turn the wheel at all, making it a deathtrap in a major accident? That's my major concern. It may be more dangerous than hydraulic steerings.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Walt, don't fret until we see the actual deployment.

    This could easily just be a small little electric/hydraulic pump using the same steering as today....in which case you'd still have steering. I'm sure the engineers' have thought about loosing electrical power.
  • It is not fully electrical steering but electrically assisted. You still will be able to steer even if electrical assist will die, just going to be much tougher to turn the steering wheel. Technology seems to be OK, I have it on my 08 HL and it works without any problems.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Nothing could be worse than trying to stear, turn your stearing wheel, with a DEAD PS pump.

    Most current electric power stearing systems have an overheat mode wherein it operates at reduced capacity if used "too"(??) much. Apparently a few owners have already encountered this problem.
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