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2010 Toyota Camry

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  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    The California Prius owner who went 20+miles on a stuck accelerator pedal is not a beliveable character, and the story is bogus..

    Unless you have driven a Prius and understand how it works, you may want to retract that until it has been proven. The braking on the Prius is very sensitive and has many fail safes to cut power when the brakes are applied. Unless he modified the car, which if he did, they would have figured it out by now, then there is a high probability of a ghost in the machine. There is a possibility he did not know how to put the car in neutral, do you? The Prius does not have a conventional shifter, there is no PRND shifter on the car, there is a knob with an h pattern and a button to put it in park. The entire drivetrain is computer controlled, there is not one physical link between the engine, transmission and the controls in the cab, the one and only physical link it the brake pedal to the brakes, and even that is computer controlled. It is a scary event when you hit a bump and lose your brakes for a moment, and wind up slamming them on in a panic stop. There are quite a few quirks in the Prius that make me believe this happened to him, all the quirks I found kill power to the wheels, and he had to have had a couple times where a quirk would have happened. Hitting a bump with the brakes applied that would cause a wheel to hop would have killed power momentarily, having the brakes fully applied overrides the gas pedal, so you can have brink on the gas pedal, the engine would still stop.

    I will hold my verdict on this until it can be proven to be a hoax, when they can duplicate it 100% as a hoax, until then, I will wait before pointing fingers. Especially since I had a Camry Hybrid that would surge coming to a stop, and my coworkers Prius is now starting to do the same thing.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    The guy seems totally disreputable though with fraudulent insurance claims and some $700,000 in debt, not due to misfortune such as illness or job loss but apparent reckless spending. His credibility goes down with each new revelation.

    I would highly doubt there are significant bumps on Interstate 8 in SoCal -- we're not talking about potholed city streets as in NYC or Detroit.

    More on James Sikes and his "runaway" Prius here.
  • dookie84dookie84 Posts: 33
    This seems like a dumb question. Is there any way the car can keep going if it's in Neutral? It seems like this would be impossible. If it is impossible, why don't we hear more about this? Maybe they computers really are taking over. Move over, Hal. Before all this came out, I named my car Christine after the car in the Stephen King novel because she seemed to be in charge. :confuse:
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    i>Is there any way the car can keep going if it's in Neutral?

    Only if it's moving forward down a hill (or backward on an upgrade).
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited March 2010
    Internal to the HSD system ECU's computer memory a variable gets "set" in an usual way/path. Say simultaeous brake/gas pedal depression along with manual activation of the cruise control "set/accel" function. That variable puts the system in the "set/accel" mode. Now due to an inadvertent programmer mistake there is a instruction execution sequence "race" condition that prevents the variable from being cleared normally, such as with the use of the brakes.

    Full braking frictional capability is not available because while the HSD system control ECU "tells" the skid control ECU it will do ~50-70% of the braking regeneratively, due to the variable being "set" it never does.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    Has the Camry problem been resolved by putting the shim on the gas pedal? Toyota service put a shim on my gas pedal on my 2010 Camry LE. I've been hearing in the news that Toyota now thinks that the gas pedal sticking could be caused from a computer problem inside the car somewhere. When I called Toyota service yesterday and asked about this, they told me that ONLY certain VIN numbers for the 2010 Camry LE need their computers reprogrammed. They didn't give me a straight answer as to whether or not they knew that the computer inside the Camry was the cause of the gas pedals sticking. It's like Toyota service has "no clue" as to what's going on or they don't want to say anything about it.
    Does anybody in here have any concrete information and updates on the 2010 Camry as to what the real cause of the gas pedal sticking is? Is it a computer problem? Or did Toyota service already fix the problem by putting a shim on the gas pedal like they did on my car? I would like to know.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Considering there have been reports of cars racing after the fix was done, I doubt it to be a frictional issue. The PCM does all it's work based on voltages, even micro voltages. If some variable is off just a bit, it can cause all sorts of strange problems. For all we know, there could be a bad batch of resistors sending the incorrect voltages to the PCM and skewing its readings.

    Does anyone have an iphone or Nextel? Have you placed it near a phone or speaker and heard the noise it makes? It could be something as simple as noise that causes this. Heck I used to drive around opening garage doors with a CB radio. Since these cars are all drive by wire now, one little glitch is all it takes to cause the car to go out of control. Just like the Airbus crashes of recent history. The computers overrode the pilots inputs because it thought they were doing something that shouldn't be allowed, yet didn't know that the plane was in danger because of a couple sensors that had incorrect data.

    As far as that Prius driver, I am reserving judgement until all the facts are in. My very first thought was he is playing a hoax, but I want to see where it goes first before placing the blame on him. I drove a Prius for 24,000 miles, and never had a problem with it going off like that, in fact I had just the opposite problem, getting it going! The traction control was so sensitive that any little tire slip killed power to the wheels, and when you are trying to merge into 55 MPH traffic from a side road, losing power is the last thing you want, hence the main reason we got rid of it.

    A slight correction to what I said earlier about putting it into neutral, the shifter moves to the left, not the right, so it is a backwards h pattern. I haven't been in one for 2 years and forgot the direction it moves. It still needs to be held for a few seconds before it will go into neutral.
  • motorcity6motorcity6 Posts: 427
    Time will tell !!!!! 20+ miles and can't stop the car, sounds like a stretch to me..The Prius handles like a sports car?????
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    With the Prius, or any of the Toyota HSD systems, the skid control computer is prohibited from using frictional braking without being granted "permission", designating % of frictional braking to be used, by the HSD computer.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    edited March 2010
    A Prius handles like a Yugo. Yes, you can drive 20+ miles like he did. He was on and off the brakes 250 times according the the cars PCM. If you floor it, then hit the brakes hard, it bypasses the electric braking and goes right to hydraulic, disabling the engine, but as soon as you lift off the brake, the engine will re-engage. Do this enough times and you will heat the brakes up past fade out and they will start to disintegrate. All the evidence now points to the driver deliberately causing the car to "run away".

    An example of how quickly you can heat up the brakes to the point they start to smoke. I bought a 2010 Ford Flex with Ecoboost. The very first day I wanted to see how quickly it can go and how well it can stop. Well it gets to 110 very quickly, but 110-0 I smoked the brakes, literally, smoke was pouring off the front calipers and the rotors were blued. You can do the same speeding up and slowing down 70-95-70-95, go do that a few times in your car and see how long your brakes last.

    They put new pads on the car and tried to duplicate it and could not. None of the sensors showed abnormalities, and from all indications he was on and off the pedals.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..I bought a 2010 Ford Flex with EcoBoost (TwinForce)..."

    Nuff said.
  • packer3packer3 Posts: 277
    No, and I doubt if it will ever be fixed throughly. Stay away from Toyota's for a few years, who is to say there isn't other issues lingering around in there closets. And do not buy a used one you will never know if it was really fixed.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    edited March 2010
    I'm having the same exact thoughts about the gas pedal issue. I seriously doubt that Toyota will find the exact cause of the problem and fix the issue. I think that it will take more than reprogramming the computer or putting a shim in the gas pedal. I really believe that the shim which Toyota service put on my gas pedal on my Camry is a temporary fix. It's just like putting a band aid on the problem.
    The ONLY good thing about this whole thing is that I will be giving my Camry back in December 2013. By then Toyota will have come out with the redesigned newer and better built 2014 Camry. I have a feeling that Toyota will redesign and revamp lots of things in the new 2014 Camry that they couldn't fix on the 2010 model. :)
    If they do this I will probably lease another Camry. If not, I have my eyes on the VW CC which is 100% built in Germany. I would take a German built car that's built 100% in Germany by hard working Germans over an American built Japanese car that's built in Kentucky by lazy Americans. The Germans are much harder workers than the Americans and they take pride in the cars that they build. I've driven German built cars like the VW and Opel vehicles while living and visiting Europe within the last 20 years and thru my experience I've noticed that the German made cars are very well made and higher quality than the American built Japanese cars.
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    Can't agree with your comments.. the folks building camrys in georgetown, ky are hard working and do a good job..re german built car quality, they are nice cars but all the surveys I've read report declining quality of many VW and Mercedes models in recent years..
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Huh? What does that have to do with Toyota? We get it (and have gotten it at least a dozen times) that you're anti-marketing.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..anti-marketing.."

    Aren't we all..??

    But in this case more like "anti-gas-guzzlers".
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    "..anti-marketing.."

    Aren't we all..??

    But in this case more like "anti-gas-guzzlers".


    350hp, 22 MPG, AWD, 7-passenger luxury. What else has an MPG to power ratio that good?

    No, I'm not anti-marketing. I graduated a communications major and have experience in commercial-writing. How is one to know about a product without marketing/advertising? Catchy names help that, too. EcoBoost, Duratec, Valvetronic, Hydramatic, Quadrasteer... it goes on and on...
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The EcoBoost/TwinForce engine will spend the clear majority, ~98%, of its operational life operating in derated/detuned mode. Poor FE, EXTREMELY poor cruise mode FE in comparison to the same engine running with DFI but not detuned/derated in order to accommodate BOOST pressure.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Clueless you are!

    I'm getting 20 MPG in a 4800# vehicle that can safely haul 6 people, and pull a 4500# trailer, and has 355HP at my command. Do you really think that a car with V8 power getting the FE of a V6 is a gas guzzler? Heck I haven't even taken it on the highway yet. It has 1500 miles on it, and MPG can only go up the more I drive it. I am getting better MPG with this than I did in the 2008 Hyundai Veracruz by 2 MPG. Would you rather I drove my F350 Dually diesel that gets 14 MPG on diesel? I looked at all 6 passenger vehicles and the Flex was the best when it came down to interior room, towing capacity, handling and comfort. Why would I not get a high performance V6 that gets the SAME FE as the standard v6? I owned two Toyotas in the past 3 years, they are not anything write home about, at least not good things. The Prius was dangerous to drive where I live, and the Camry handled like a rowboat. Neither one of them can take my wife and kids and I anywhere unless one of them rode in the trunk.

    What you FAIL to know about the Ecoboost motor is unlike other production turbo charged engines, this one is DESIGNED to run on turbos, it has nearly the same compression ratio as the non turbo 3.5 10.0:1 vs 10.3:1. It is detuned for a reason, to prevent damaged to the AWD drive train, it is limited to 350#' of torque, which it reaches at 1500 RPM, if it exceeded that torque it would tear the drive train apart, much the same as the Prius drive train is limited in slippage, too much and it would destroy the drive train.

    Get a clue before you decide to slam something.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The compression ratio "standard" for DFI engines is more in the range of 12:1. And while that may also be true I didn't mean detuned/derated in BOOST mode, only when the engine is under light loading, say during relatively constant speed cruising on level terrain.

    Damn fuelish to run with less than the optimal CR 99% of the time.
  • packer3packer3 Posts: 277
    gtcotcobra hit it right, I had VW's and two Audi's excellent, minimimal problems and they handle like clocks, sorry the Japanese cars do not handle the same no matter what magic gadgetry they put in them. And I will take a car built in Germany but when they are built in Mexico no way, it's like building them in the KY. Where were the brake parts built for the Camarys the US what Toyota cars are having the most problems the ones built in the US, where were the cars built that don't have the real problems Japan. I'm an American and it seems we still can't get out of our own way. Maybe there should be a law prohibiting foreginers from running US companies, period.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Has anybody looked at reliability ratings for German built vehicles recently?
  • berriberri Posts: 4,275
    I would take a German built car that's built 100% in Germany by hard working Germans over an American built Japanese car that's built in Kentucky by lazy Americans. The Germans are much harder workers than the Americans and they take pride in the cars that they build

    Huh? Germany, like most of Europe, probably has more militant unions with greater work rules and restrictions than North America. MB, BMW and VW don't generally lead the reliability surveys and often cost a fortune to maintain and repair, but the German's do design and build "drivers" cars with nice interiors
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    a Camry and any one of the Lexus products certainly won't handle well but you apparently have never driven a Infiniti; their products are up to the handling standards of BMW and are even better than Audi as a whole when it comes to handling; if you want the best handling car around, you'll want a BMW or Infiniti!

    trust me! ;)
  • packer3packer3 Posts: 277
    I have driven the Infiniti, excellent car, my brother in law has one he had an Audi, had some minimal problems, got the Infinity loves it hardly any problems, but he waill be the first to say hands down for handling Audi.
    BMW best dry pavement car around, rain or snow leave it home, my daughter has an 08 with all the rear electroncis, got stuck in our driveway the last snow storm and the driveway height is almost equal to the road. Took my 08 Accord and made it to work through the blizzard with no problem.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    well I've driven Audi's and Infiniti's and have always found the Infiniti's to be a little more precise in the handling department, but it does depend on what models you drive from each company; I personally like Audi a little bit better on a overall basis, especially the interior's, some of the best in the business!!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited March 2010
    A Camry is FWD as is the Lexus version of the Camry, the ES350. With the exceptions of the ES and the RX series the entire Lexus line is RWD or R/awd based. I believe that is also true of the Infinity products.

    RWD or R/awd vehicle will always provide better handling dynamics than any, ANY, FWD or F/awd vehicle. The SH-AWD system being the only competition that even comes close.

    Yes, FWD, with the engine forward weight bias, will often provide better foul weather traction for initial "get up and go" than a RWD or R/awd. But that slight advantage pales in comparsion to the horrble safety factor of FWD once underway in those foul weather conditions.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    your not telling me anything I don't already know ;) its actually my fault, I got side tracked with Packer there about Audi and Infiniti! my bad :blush:
  • packer3packer3 Posts: 277
    Disagree, drive a FWD with stability contol blows the RWD out especially when cornering, BMW's next hot rod is going to be.FWD
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    He's been on this thing for years that fwd is inherently unsafe. I ask, is it better to go off the road front end first or rear end first? At least in the former case, a driver instinctively tends to do the right thing before he or she leaves the pavement -- ease off the gas and steer into the turn. In the latter, you've got to catch that rear end fast before it comes around and you're just going along for the ride. ;)
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