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2010 Toyota Camry

jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
edited October 28 in Toyota
The 2009s have been out for a few months and the updated 2010 model may be here in less than a year. They current style hasn't been updated since it was introduced in 2006 and is due for a styling update in the next model year.

Is there any news or rumors on the 2010 Toyota Camry yet?

Maybe a new 4 cylinder engine, standard stability control, interior and exterior updates, better nav system etc.?
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  • prazpraz Posts: 163
    Camry was introduced in early 2006 as 2007 model so it will not have any major upgrades atleast until 2012 model. They might add standard safety features and new color choices.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    No, it should be completely replaced by the 2012 model, but updated for 2010.
    They almost always make an update by the 4th model year. How "major" it is varies, but is generally a lot more than just new paint colors. The 2010 will be the fourth year of this body style.
    Look at the 2005 Camry vs the 2002-2004 models.

    The absolute minimum you can expect is standard VSA on most if not all models and a minor styling update (maybe new grill, headlights, tail lights etc.).
    Maybe they will update or replace the 2.4 liter engine that's kind of old and address some complaints about interior quality.

    The 2010 will probably be released earlier than average next year otherwise there was no point in making the 2008 Camry model year extremely short and releasing the 2009 Camry so early this year when there were no changes between 2008 and 2009 models.

    I could see them adding some features seen on the 2009 Corolla such as pre-wiring the satellite radio antenna from the factory and making XM standard with the JBL.
    There are also lots of complaints about the nav system being substandard vs the Honda's because there is little you or the front passenger can do with it while the car is in motion (even with the voice commands).
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    The upcoming Venza will get an all new 2.7L I4 engine pumping out around 190 to 200 HP. My bet is the next generation Camry will get this as the base engine. I don't think the 2010 will get the 2.7 liter engine although it is possible they will tweak the current 4 cylinder to produce an extra 10 hp or so to keep it competitive with the competition's 4 cylinder engine. The most likely change for the 10 model will be some cosmetic appearance change.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Even a cosmetic change (different front and rear end caps) and widespread availability or standard VSC, factory installed XM etc. could be a nice improvement.
  • cubssoxscubssoxs Posts: 139
    Yea, I don' believe they will make any major changes besides refreshing the headlights or tail light and the grill. Compare the 94 to 95 camry, or the 99 to 00 camry, or the 04 to 05 camry. All of they major changes are very minor. They may make some things standard like VSC. Also, as I said early some minor cosmetic changes.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    No, they did more than only minor cosmetic changes. The 3.3 liter V6 became available.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    ... the platform's and the engines generally have 10 yr lives.

    92-01 vehicles were about the same size
    02-11 vehicles will all be about the same size

    However with the lukewarm reception to the Accord's size increase ( almost Avalon ) I wonder if Toyota will grow the Camry any further. I hope not.

    2.2L I4 ran from 92 to 01
    3.0L V6 ran from ?? to 06 ( the 3.3L was a modified 3.0L )
    2.4L I4 should run from 02 to 11
    3.5L V6 should run from 07 to 16

    These would be the SOP runs. The Venza with the 2.7L will be out as an 09 but I'd guess the Camry keeps the 2.4L through MY 2011. It makes the Venza that much more attractive. It sets it apart. Valvematic additions across the board are likely additions in all models at that time frame.

    Then there's the THS 3 options.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    With advent of teh new CAFE we may begin to see more rapid acceptance of new engine technologies such as DFI, miller cycle, and maybe even "simple" engine compression braking.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It's still possible they could add the 2.7 for 2010 as long as they're building it for the Venza anyway especial if it would get the same or better fuel economy.
    People thought they wouldn't put the 3.5 in the Camry since the competition was only using 3 liter engines and so the Avalon could be further differentiated, but they were surprised when that engine did appear in the 2007 Camry.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    about the size of the Camry and the size of the Accord? The Camry has gotten bigger and bigger every 10 yrs ever since it came out. Its due to get bigger again with the next Gen.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Is it an optical illusion or does the 2007 + Camry looks smaller than the 2002-2006 Camry? I don't think Toyota will increase the size of the next gen. Camry. My 2003 is about as big a car as I and probably most people need and want a mid size car to be. And given high gas prices I would imagine improving fuel efficiency would be a greater priority than increasing size or power.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes it is an optical illusion that this Gen seems smaller than the previous Gen. Actually they are exactly the same size. I think the curvy lines makes it seem smaller.

    I agree about the size. I think it's as big as it should get especially since the Avalon is already larger. It's due for something significant but just what I can't imagine other than the 2.7L and a sheetmetal overhaul.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It's not an optical illusion. This generation Camry is smaller than the previous gen. The roof line was lowered, the trunk shrunk so you have more "useable" space in the interior, etc,etc,..
    Mack

    Now if we would have gotten this instead of what we got we would probably sell more!
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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I think they could replace the 2.4 four cylinder with 5-speed automatic with the 2.7 with a CVT like the one already being used for the Camry Hybrid.
    That could give better performance without hurting fuel economy. Maybe it would even add an mpg or 2.

    It might be a bit much of a change for the 2010 MMC, but not impossible. I would definitely expect this by the 2012 fully redesigned Camry though.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    One thing they should do is update the interior with better quality.
    At this point the 2008 Accord and 2009 Sonata have interiors that seem to be better quality. The Malibu has a some cheap interior parts, but is still overall slightly nicer quality in the interior than the current Camry.

    If they did an upgrade in quality on 2010s similar to you Hyundai upgraded the 09's interiors, that would make the Camry a bit more attractive even with few "new" features for 2010. They need to spend a bit more care making sure trim pieces fit together properly and are padded to prevent rattles.
  • saidiadudesaidiadude Posts: 49
    Ideally, I'd like to see the following for the 2010 model. Most of these changes are reasonably easy to implement (except perhaps for 2.7L engine and C pillar blind spot). Of course, keeping cost down will be an issue.

    - Leave the 2.4L in the 4cyl models (except SE 4cyl) and improve gas mileage (instead of bumping up hp/torque)
    - 4 cyl SE: use the larger engine 2.7L engine
    - 4 cyl LE: make alloy rims standard
    - 4/6 cyl SE - make sun/moonroof + spoiler standard
    - 6 cyl - improve gas mileage (instead of bumping up hp/torque)
    - Interiors: change the ugly plastic "silver" to stainless steel or aluminum or similar
    - Please Please Please fix the blind spot caused by the passenger side rear C pillar!
    - LED brake lights for all models
    - Keyless ignition on all models
    - VSC on all models
  • lauflauf Posts: 6
    I do think horsepower should be raised w/o compromising fuel economy. The four cylinders especially need a raise in horsepower. I don't think making rims on the LE will happen perhaps better looking wheel covers and making rims standard on the LE V6 models. I think it would be smart for Toyota to offer what Honda has offered on the Accord the LX-P model. I see the new 2008 Accord with the LX-P as the mainstream model. I haven't seen any LX models driving around except sitting in dealer lots where I live. Perhaps if Toyota makes this move it'll be a smart choice considering the LX-P Accord is.

    I would really like to see interior quality improved.

    *More cupholders even the new Corolla has eight now including door pockets.
    *Silver color interior to be changed to a darker silver with more detail such as aluminum. (The Accord in other countries has the matte black steel look which I think looks appealing.)
    *Perhaps a little 2.5 inch screen displaying rearview when backing out. (New Highlander and future facelifted Tacoma have it.)
    *LED tailights I noticed just about every facelift from Toyota now includes LED tailights.
    *Get rid of those nasty seatback plastic pockets that just screams GM cheapness!!! My old 06 Camry had nice cloth seatback pockets.
    *Active front headrests the Camry would be rated above the Accord for safety if it only had this useful safety feature.
    *Better seat fabrics in the CE and LE something more modern and appealing looking. I like that fraichir material in the XLE but I guess that's too expensive to produce.
    *XLE V6 with cloth should be reintroduced not many people like leather. And i'm sure itll sell well with that fraichir material.
  • Just saw some of the changes going in place for the 2010 Camry and although I can't remember them all right now, here are the highlights.

    NEW 180HP 2.5 4 Cyl engine mated to a 6 speed automatic.
    New rear tail lights (probably LED's) front grill and headlights.
    Smart key available on more models including the SE
    Two new colors, a green and a tan/beige
    New wheel designs
    XM radio standard on JBL sound systems.
    Active Headrests standard.

    Production to begin in Feb 09
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    that will be great if it is really true . but what is your source for the information ?
  • I work in sales at Toyota and there is info on our internal website. Tells the changes on ALL the 2010 models in a pretty cool powerpoint presentation. There were a few more changes on the 2010 Camry but I can't remember them all.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "NEW 180HP 2.5 4 Cyl engine mated to a 6 speed automatic."

    The big news here is NOT the engine but the fact that someone has figured out that a 6 speed transmission mated to a 4 Cyl is better optimization relatively than with a 6 Cyl.

    Makes me almost want to move to Tucson so I could own/drive a Camry with reasonable safety.
  • saidiadudesaidiadude Posts: 49
    Thanks for sharing the info. Any idea what the gas mileage will be for the 4cyl Auto SE or LE? Hopefully 40+ mpg Hwy with the 6 speed transmission.

    Edit: oops, sorry, the question is directed at seatoyotasales
  • No idea about gas mileage. I was too excited just watching for all the upcoming changes. I wish they would change up the colors a bit more including a darker blue and a different red other than Barcelona Red. But the other changes I mentioned are enough to keep a lot of people happy!
  • saidiadudesaidiadude Posts: 49
    I agree about the Barcelona Red - they need a deep dark red instead of the Barcelona Red. The other changes are very exciting, especially the 6spd auto trans. I assume this is the same transmission that is used in the Lexus lineup. Anyone know of the reliability of this tranny? The older 5 speed is very reliable when mated with the 4cyl - not so much with the V6.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    What about manual transmissions - I am hoping for a 6 speed manual?
  • saidiadudesaidiadude Posts: 49
    BTW, did Toyota redesign the rear "C" pillar to remove/reduce the blind spot?
  • No, no redesign of the C pillar as this is just a refresh and not a full body change. Getting new front grill and lower fascia, headlights with projector beamw, new tail lights, and VSC standard.
  • saidiadudesaidiadude Posts: 49
    Glad to hear that VSC will be standard. The Camry is getting better and better. I hope the new 4cyl+6spd auto will offer 40+ mpg. Too bad about the C pillar blind spot. Hopefully the interior plastic will be upgraded as well. The "silver" plastic around the radio looks and feels very cheap. My mom has a 2007 LE auto and is very happy with it.

    We drove the Accord and were not impressed. Accord was smaller, louder engine, more road noise and noisy front shock/absorber system. It creaked over speed bumps at very low speed!
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    do you remember what's equipped on this 2.5L engine?
    VVT-i? or Dual VVT-i? or Valvematic?
  • Nothing was stated in the items I read, just a "New 2.5 180hp 4 cyl" engine with a 6 speed auto trans.
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