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2010 Toyota Avalon

bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,163
It is too early to begin talking about the 2010 Avalon? Any spy pics, dramatic changes, or should Toyota drop the Avalon entirely. To me the Avalon is not as luxurious nor as attractive as the Camry and I would not be surprised if Toyota discontinued the line.

The Avalon started well as a flagship for the brand but in its current iterationI am not sure how they are positioning it compared to the Camry. To be be considered a flagship brand the Avalon should be more substantial and luxurious but in version 3 (2005 - 2008) it ain't.

Would like to hear readers thoughts.
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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I read somewhere that the Avalon wasn't getting a redesign until 2011. Maybe someone could confirm? As for your comments about the Avalon I really think you are off the mark. I came out of an '03 which was a fine car, just a bit boring. The '05 redesign gave the car a little personality, more room and one hell of an engine. The look is subjective, my Mother has an '09 Camry SE and in that trim, certainly looks sportier than my Avalon. A friend has a fully loaded '07 XLE V6 Camry that I have driven and I can tell you while very similar to the Avalon, the Av is more isolated from the road and has a better ride. Also my '06 XLS (not fully loaded) has everything the Camry has except for the "smart key". The Limited has things the Camry doesn't even offer, cooled seats, laser cruise, signal mirrors. Its also the little touches in the Avalon that make it nicer for me, such as variable temp on the heated seats, auto up/down driver and pass windows, the indirect lighting on the overhead console, and the integrated information display. I would be very surprised if Toyota kills the Avalon or changes it much. It sells fairly well without incentives and is the benchmark of the large sedans (under 40K). The only one in the price range that comes close is the Azera.

    Just out of curiousity what would you do to the current Avalon to make it more "luxurious" without driving the price north of 40K? If you want more lux than the Av offers head down to the "L" dealer they will be happy to sell you an LS for 75K :)

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    More luxurious than avalon is the lexus ES but the back seats are small

    As u said that lexus are made in japan where are most of the toyotas made in?

    I know land cruiser is japan and the 4 door yaris as well if i am not wrong but what about the other models camry avalon etc etc
  • rpfingstenrpfingsten Posts: 154
    Couldn't agree with you more tjc78. I traded in a sedan deville when I bought my 07 avy, and In all honesty, the avy's interior is much nicer than the deville I had.. I thought the deville was rather "plain"... the deville did have a bit of a smoother ride, but the 275 hp Northstar didn't seem to offer my any more "get up and go" than the 268 hp engine in my avy..... as for the lexus being more luxurious than the avy, maybe so.. I test drove one before I bought the toyota... There were some things that I considered "nicer" than the avalons, but nearly nice enough to compensate for the difference in price.. at least not in my book...

    Roland
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Given the level of growing public awareness of the safety hazards arising from FWD and F/AWD I would not be surprised to see the next Avalon model based on the Lexus GS series.

    Now THAT would return, undoubtedly return, the Avalon to "Flagship" status.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Definitely not too early to start a discussion on the 2010. The '09 model will be out in 5 months, so the next generation should be well under way in the design stage. It will, of course, be all new if the pattern holds. Having owned one of each generation I firmly believe that each has been an improvement over the prior model. Granted there were some things I liked that were lost to each change, each is still a better car overall than the prior generation. But now what?

    If Avy goes AWD only and the gas mileage drops, there will be lots of buyers looking at the competition. How many people really need it for 2 grand or more and less fuel mileage? As an option, OK. But don't put a hump in the rear seat floor on the FWD models. And even more power is available from this engine so why not keep it. And the 6 speed if it works well.

    As a potential buyer for a 2010, all additional design rumors, spy pics and other comments would be more than welcome... :)
  • george5george5 Posts: 23
    The Avalon needs to bring back the front BENCH SEAT. They had these in the first and second generation, but not the current 3rd. It is quite nice and different to have a bench seat in the front - making it feel more spacious and open. Secondly, I'd like to see Park Assist Sensors to help with parking and/or a back-up camera standard. These are great safety features, and as to why they are not on this wonderful car so far, it's mind boggling. I know you can buy a Lexus with these, but the Lexus's don't even come close to how wonderful and roomy the Avalon is!! I have a 1995 Avalon and I LOVE IT. Still runs like new!! Way to go Toyota!
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,163
    The bench seat was my son-in-law's favorite as he is a large man but I don't think the demand is strong enough to bring back bench seats.

    Now, with gasoline prices expected to reach $7 by the end of the year perhaps Toyota will have to go back to the drawing board to come up with a more fuel efficient Avalon design.

    No longer can Toyota or any manufacturer continue to build behemoths without significant sales decline. If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.

    The Avalon is probably the most efficient large car on the market. 30+ Hwy is more than doable at 65 - 70. My weekend travels of about 250 miles 80% hwy / 20% city yielded me 26.5 MPG and that was with the air on/ 80+ MPH and 95 degrees outside. Not too bad IMO.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    We all want the cars we drive to be more fuel efficient. Maybe a hybrid, hydrogen or all electric Avalon is in the future. But if you look around at what you can reasonably buy today, the Avalon offers a lot of size and comfort with excellent acceleration, and at about 30 mpg on the road, great gas mileage. This combination is hard to beat.

    If Toyota wants to bring something back for 2010, how about "visibility" so you see out better. More glass. And a back up camera, standard with Nav. Never thought about a return to the bench seat option, but that could be a winner...... :)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    This combination is hard to beat.

    Actually.... I don't think anyone has yet. The Avalon is now almost 4 years old and still at the top of the class. As for the bench seat don't see it returning anytime soon. My dealer told me that even on the prior generation they would never order the bench seat option. IMO bench seating is dead, the only cars I can even think of that still have it available are the Grand Marquis/CV/TC, the Lucerne and maybe the Impala. If they want to do anything to the seating in the Avalon make the seats more like the '00 - '04 they were fantastic.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • The main reason I bought my 2000 Av was for the bench seat. Even if the front middle is not occupied, my right knee appreciates the xtra space. I was all set to buy the Camry until I drove the Avalon.
  • geremyggeremyg Posts: 1
    Although many of the models are being produced in the United States, Japan still contributes supply of most models. Georgetown, KY is the stateside home of the Avalon, as well as the camry. Which makes sense because the avalon is on a stretched camry frame. However, Japan still produces camrys. True, the yaris and land cruiser are made exclusively in japan. But then so is the Rav 4 (which is on the camry frame, and the Prius. And even though the Corolla has long come out of the California plant they share with GM, A good number of the 09' corollas have been coming from Japan.
  • I was checking out Toyota's web page and ran across their upcoming and concept vehicles. The Toyota Crown was shown as a concept vehicle which is a full size sedan curently sold in Japan. Does this indicate the Toyota Crown or a new version may be the Avalon replacement if we have one?

    http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/crown.html

    Thanks,

    George
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Personally I'm waiting for an A-BAT and Hybrid-X "crossbreed".

    Love the look of the Hybrid-X, hate the look of the A-BAT, but LOVE the A-BAT's basic "pickup" concept.

    http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/hybridx.html
  • You may be right. I just looked at the Avensis site. It's a 106" wheelbase with a four cylinder engine. The engine is more in tune with European standards.

    On a different subject - one peeve of mine about my Avalons (2006 and 2008) is the massive blind spot on the driver's side. You have to really do a head turn and lane check before moving to the left, the mirrors don't adequately show a car on your left flank.

    Still love the Avalon, think it's the best kept secret in the automotive world. Great ride, many hi-tech features, decent fuel economy and 4 inch longer WB than the Lexus. I would not trade my Avalon for a Lexus even swap.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    If you adjust the mirrors the way the Car Talk guys indicate on their web site, it eliminates the blind spot on both sides of the car. The down side, of course, is that you have to readjust them for backing up. If you have memory mirrors (the Limited has them), it's quite easy to put them back into the "driving" position after backing up.
  • For what it's worth, I stopped by a local Toyota dealership last weekend, and while there I asked them if the 2010 year would be the last year of production for the Avalon... they actually seemed shocked. Told me that they hadn't heard anything from Toyota about the Avalon line being discontinued..

    Roland
  • geo123geo123 Posts: 33
    I got the same reaction at my local dealership. However, if the past is any indication, the 2009 model should be the last year for this generation of the Toyota Avalon. The first generation was from 1995 through 1999, the second generation from 2000 through 2004, and now the third generation from 2005 through 2009. I believe we will see something new for the fourth generation in 2010. I am wondering if it will be something like the Crown on the existing Avalon, Camry, and Lexus ES350 chassis. Would like to hear what others are projecting.

    Thanks,

    George
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    All things look as if its being dropped. They already, dropped the Touring model and everything I have read leans toward a stretched Camry as the replacement. Remember, large cars took quite a hit with the high gas prices, although its coming down I don't think people will soon forget.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

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