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2010 Toyota Avalon

bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,235
It is too early to begin talking about the 2010 Avalon? Any spy pics, dramatic changes, or should Toyota drop the Avalon entirely. To me the Avalon is not as luxurious nor as attractive as the Camry and I would not be surprised if Toyota discontinued the line.

The Avalon started well as a flagship for the brand but in its current iterationI am not sure how they are positioning it compared to the Camry. To be be considered a flagship brand the Avalon should be more substantial and luxurious but in version 3 (2005 - 2008) it ain't.

Would like to hear readers thoughts.
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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I read somewhere that the Avalon wasn't getting a redesign until 2011. Maybe someone could confirm? As for your comments about the Avalon I really think you are off the mark. I came out of an '03 which was a fine car, just a bit boring. The '05 redesign gave the car a little personality, more room and one hell of an engine. The look is subjective, my Mother has an '09 Camry SE and in that trim, certainly looks sportier than my Avalon. A friend has a fully loaded '07 XLE V6 Camry that I have driven and I can tell you while very similar to the Avalon, the Av is more isolated from the road and has a better ride. Also my '06 XLS (not fully loaded) has everything the Camry has except for the "smart key". The Limited has things the Camry doesn't even offer, cooled seats, laser cruise, signal mirrors. Its also the little touches in the Avalon that make it nicer for me, such as variable temp on the heated seats, auto up/down driver and pass windows, the indirect lighting on the overhead console, and the integrated information display. I would be very surprised if Toyota kills the Avalon or changes it much. It sells fairly well without incentives and is the benchmark of the large sedans (under 40K). The only one in the price range that comes close is the Azera.

    Just out of curiousity what would you do to the current Avalon to make it more "luxurious" without driving the price north of 40K? If you want more lux than the Av offers head down to the "L" dealer they will be happy to sell you an LS for 75K :)

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    More luxurious than avalon is the lexus ES but the back seats are small

    As u said that lexus are made in japan where are most of the toyotas made in?

    I know land cruiser is japan and the 4 door yaris as well if i am not wrong but what about the other models camry avalon etc etc
  • rpfingstenrpfingsten Posts: 154
    Couldn't agree with you more tjc78. I traded in a sedan deville when I bought my 07 avy, and In all honesty, the avy's interior is much nicer than the deville I had.. I thought the deville was rather "plain"... the deville did have a bit of a smoother ride, but the 275 hp Northstar didn't seem to offer my any more "get up and go" than the 268 hp engine in my avy..... as for the lexus being more luxurious than the avy, maybe so.. I test drove one before I bought the toyota... There were some things that I considered "nicer" than the avalons, but nearly nice enough to compensate for the difference in price.. at least not in my book...

    Roland
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Given the level of growing public awareness of the safety hazards arising from FWD and F/AWD I would not be surprised to see the next Avalon model based on the Lexus GS series.

    Now THAT would return, undoubtedly return, the Avalon to "Flagship" status.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Definitely not too early to start a discussion on the 2010. The '09 model will be out in 5 months, so the next generation should be well under way in the design stage. It will, of course, be all new if the pattern holds. Having owned one of each generation I firmly believe that each has been an improvement over the prior model. Granted there were some things I liked that were lost to each change, each is still a better car overall than the prior generation. But now what?

    If Avy goes AWD only and the gas mileage drops, there will be lots of buyers looking at the competition. How many people really need it for 2 grand or more and less fuel mileage? As an option, OK. But don't put a hump in the rear seat floor on the FWD models. And even more power is available from this engine so why not keep it. And the 6 speed if it works well.

    As a potential buyer for a 2010, all additional design rumors, spy pics and other comments would be more than welcome... :)
  • george5george5 Posts: 23
    The Avalon needs to bring back the front BENCH SEAT. They had these in the first and second generation, but not the current 3rd. It is quite nice and different to have a bench seat in the front - making it feel more spacious and open. Secondly, I'd like to see Park Assist Sensors to help with parking and/or a back-up camera standard. These are great safety features, and as to why they are not on this wonderful car so far, it's mind boggling. I know you can buy a Lexus with these, but the Lexus's don't even come close to how wonderful and roomy the Avalon is!! I have a 1995 Avalon and I LOVE IT. Still runs like new!! Way to go Toyota!
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,235
    The bench seat was my son-in-law's favorite as he is a large man but I don't think the demand is strong enough to bring back bench seats.

    Now, with gasoline prices expected to reach $7 by the end of the year perhaps Toyota will have to go back to the drawing board to come up with a more fuel efficient Avalon design.

    No longer can Toyota or any manufacturer continue to build behemoths without significant sales decline. If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.

    The Avalon is probably the most efficient large car on the market. 30+ Hwy is more than doable at 65 - 70. My weekend travels of about 250 miles 80% hwy / 20% city yielded me 26.5 MPG and that was with the air on/ 80+ MPH and 95 degrees outside. Not too bad IMO.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    We all want the cars we drive to be more fuel efficient. Maybe a hybrid, hydrogen or all electric Avalon is in the future. But if you look around at what you can reasonably buy today, the Avalon offers a lot of size and comfort with excellent acceleration, and at about 30 mpg on the road, great gas mileage. This combination is hard to beat.

    If Toyota wants to bring something back for 2010, how about "visibility" so you see out better. More glass. And a back up camera, standard with Nav. Never thought about a return to the bench seat option, but that could be a winner...... :)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    This combination is hard to beat.

    Actually.... I don't think anyone has yet. The Avalon is now almost 4 years old and still at the top of the class. As for the bench seat don't see it returning anytime soon. My dealer told me that even on the prior generation they would never order the bench seat option. IMO bench seating is dead, the only cars I can even think of that still have it available are the Grand Marquis/CV/TC, the Lucerne and maybe the Impala. If they want to do anything to the seating in the Avalon make the seats more like the '00 - '04 they were fantastic.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • The main reason I bought my 2000 Av was for the bench seat. Even if the front middle is not occupied, my right knee appreciates the xtra space. I was all set to buy the Camry until I drove the Avalon.
  • geremyggeremyg Posts: 1
    Although many of the models are being produced in the United States, Japan still contributes supply of most models. Georgetown, KY is the stateside home of the Avalon, as well as the camry. Which makes sense because the avalon is on a stretched camry frame. However, Japan still produces camrys. True, the yaris and land cruiser are made exclusively in japan. But then so is the Rav 4 (which is on the camry frame, and the Prius. And even though the Corolla has long come out of the California plant they share with GM, A good number of the 09' corollas have been coming from Japan.
  • I was checking out Toyota's web page and ran across their upcoming and concept vehicles. The Toyota Crown was shown as a concept vehicle which is a full size sedan curently sold in Japan. Does this indicate the Toyota Crown or a new version may be the Avalon replacement if we have one?

    http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/crown.html

    Thanks,

    George
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Personally I'm waiting for an A-BAT and Hybrid-X "crossbreed".

    Love the look of the Hybrid-X, hate the look of the A-BAT, but LOVE the A-BAT's basic "pickup" concept.

    http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/hybridx.html
  • You may be right. I just looked at the Avensis site. It's a 106" wheelbase with a four cylinder engine. The engine is more in tune with European standards.

    On a different subject - one peeve of mine about my Avalons (2006 and 2008) is the massive blind spot on the driver's side. You have to really do a head turn and lane check before moving to the left, the mirrors don't adequately show a car on your left flank.

    Still love the Avalon, think it's the best kept secret in the automotive world. Great ride, many hi-tech features, decent fuel economy and 4 inch longer WB than the Lexus. I would not trade my Avalon for a Lexus even swap.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    If you adjust the mirrors the way the Car Talk guys indicate on their web site, it eliminates the blind spot on both sides of the car. The down side, of course, is that you have to readjust them for backing up. If you have memory mirrors (the Limited has them), it's quite easy to put them back into the "driving" position after backing up.
  • For what it's worth, I stopped by a local Toyota dealership last weekend, and while there I asked them if the 2010 year would be the last year of production for the Avalon... they actually seemed shocked. Told me that they hadn't heard anything from Toyota about the Avalon line being discontinued..

    Roland
  • geo123geo123 Posts: 33
    I got the same reaction at my local dealership. However, if the past is any indication, the 2009 model should be the last year for this generation of the Toyota Avalon. The first generation was from 1995 through 1999, the second generation from 2000 through 2004, and now the third generation from 2005 through 2009. I believe we will see something new for the fourth generation in 2010. I am wondering if it will be something like the Crown on the existing Avalon, Camry, and Lexus ES350 chassis. Would like to hear what others are projecting.

    Thanks,

    George
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    All things look as if its being dropped. They already, dropped the Touring model and everything I have read leans toward a stretched Camry as the replacement. Remember, large cars took quite a hit with the high gas prices, although its coming down I don't think people will soon forget.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • I had a 2001 Avalon which I dearly loved, but since it was my first Toyota, and being a former owner of only American made cars, I got scared when the mileage went up to 100,000 and traded it off for a 2006 Camry. I have never been satisfied with my Camry because I loved my Avalon so much. The Camry is a great car, but just not the quality of my Avalon. I have thought about getting a new Avalon but feel they look so similar to the Camrys, why pay the price when they look just alike and want to wait until you can visibly see the difference. Does anyone know when the body style of the Avalon is going to change?
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Here is the latest Avalon rumor...... the source is a relative (at Toyota in Japan) of one of the service writers at my dealership: The Avalon, as we all know it, is history for 2010.

    The word at Toyota is simply that the global slowdown means that every model line must justify its own production. There is no room for error. While the Avalon is not expensive to build as a car based on the parts, the assembly line costs per unit are far in excess of what is reasonable. Volume is too low. So, no more of the current design will be made after 2009, and even this MY run may be cut short.

    The good news here is that Toyota wants a car that will get what buyers there are into the showroom, so a "replacement" Avalon may be coming. Exactly what that car will be is still under discussion. There are other Toyota products that could be added to the current US models. We have seen them here on Edmunds.com. Or they might modify a Camry...somehow. No decisions yet but Toyota is thinking.... Could they keep the name? Maybe. But the car will be very different from what we now enjoy as the '05 to '09 Avalon.

    All this is rumor, of course..
  • goateegoatee Posts: 51
    If Toyota goes with an AWD version of the new Avalon, sales will go through the roof and I would be one of the first ones waiting. Any news from anyone??
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Toyota isn't about to let up, even if they are one of the causes of the American auto problems. They are to blame, but ONLY because they make a far superior car:).

    That being said, the Avalon will or MAYBE replace, but it will only be done with a much better, cooler, neater feature packed model.

    You don't change something unless it's needed, and sales of the Avalon are going very well, and Toyota WILL change it and add those features asked for by it's owners.

    I've told to several folks in the know, and I'm getting this for responses.

    The Avalon is a wonderful car, and it's base is growing monthly. It IS digging into sales of the Lexus, and this is something Toyota is looking into.

    Do we (Toyota) bring the price of the Avalon up, so as to lessen the gap between it and the Lexus?

    Do we (Toyota) drop the unit from the Toyota lineup?

    Do we drop it, and make a larger Camry (Camry Touring Sedan, Camry LS)?

    Do we (Toyota) simply make the changes folks are asking for to the current Avalon, and adjust the price accordingly (this is the statement getting the best response), as in "If it isn't broke, don't fix it" and for sure "If it's working, don't mess with it"!

    MANY Lexus owners are switching to the Avalon Limited and as they put it (Lexus Owners) "Putting the extra $10,000 - $20,000 in their pockets), if all I loose is a bit of status amongst my Lexus friends … I can live with this, and spend the extra money on a vacation, cruise or maybe a bit of extra pocket change.

    The day I picked up my Avalon Touring Sedan, their were 2 doctors who had just sold and or traded their 4 year old Lexus and were picking up Avalon Limiteds. One of the doctors came over and introduce himself and said "Welcomed to the club" and walked away smiling?

    My salesman said they have had a steady increase in Lexus owners coming in this year doing the same thing. He said the good news was that the dealership had some really nice clean Lexus's for re-sale (no Lexus dealer in our area) and the other was that they got to sell a lot of Avalons, which was good for the dealership.

    And to the person above who said he had a Camry but wanted the Avalon but it looked so much like a Camry … blah, Blah, well I'm here to tell you - EVERYONE who has seen me with my New Avalon, has noticed it wasn't a Camry! And more then that I noticed it's not my Camry. I had 2007 Camry,which was a great car, for what it is, but is NOT a Avalon.

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  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    More and more these days "upscale" means NO inexpensive, CHEAP, UNSAFE, FWD or F/AWD. Since the Avalon is now being recognized as being on the bottom edge of the upscale market the FWD aspect must go....
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok, so lets see what folks think

    2010 Avalon specs:

    - All new body design
    - AWD (at least an option) RWD or FWD will need to stay for cost (retail) alone.
    - V8 as an option, maybe the NEW limited or Touring model has the V8 option and AWD option. It would be nice if a base model had AWD, but it would make it an expensive option for a base model..
    The usual options from here, radio upgrade, leather or cloth, Nav or no Nav.
    Color schemes, tires / rim options,
    - maybe an up-graded transmission, maybe a 7 speed?
    - Add or put the coin pocket back to the left hand side.
    - Make the sunroof interior panel a bit heavier (it seems so cheap to me)
    - Make a plug-in for iPods and such, that has the same controls and shows the same information on screen as seen on the iPod, And make this plug-in / pocket somewhere out of the way. Maybe on the side of the center console.

    I haven't had my Avalon Touring Sedan long enough to know what else I'd like to have or would change if I could. But these are a few things I'd like.

    I sure would like to see a limited use of plastics in the car. I know it's to keep the weight and cost down, but it seems to make the car a bit over priced when they use plastic.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    A recent reply from Toyota

    Mr. Lalemand,
    Thank you for contacting Toyota.

    We appreciate your interest in the 2009 Avalon.

    We apologize; Toyota has no plans at this time to offer the Avalon Touring model for the 2009 model year. While we can not say with any certainty, this decision may have been based on sales trends and market interests. We are however, constantly researching the market to identify popular vehicles. Your comments and interest have been documented at our National Headquarters for future model consideration.

    We appreciate your interest and hope that you will continue to consider Toyota for your driving needs.

    Renee Toussaint Toyota Customer Experience
  • I think it is very interesting that a proposal for the 2010 Avalon would include V-8 power.

    We, as a nation where $4.00/ gal. gas almost wrecks our economy, still propose to take an outstanding V-6 sedan package that will get an honest 30 MPG on the road, and add features to make it more expensive, more powerful, and surely less fuel efficient.

    I, personally, do not need a lot more financial and environmental punishment.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Everything points toward the Avalon going away.... Toyota has no need to put a V8 in a FWD sedan and if the Av goes RWD the price will be way too close to a Lexus GS to have both in the lineup. Heck the Avalon surely steals a few sales away from Lexus as it is. I personally would hate to see the Av go... however large cars and SUVs are still not selling as people will not forget the $4.00 gas. (even though the local station to me is $1.49 right now :).

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok, I'm with you there, so what is it that you'd like to see the new Avalon look like, be like, have or not have?

    So if they change it enough, and make it more money (still less then a Lexus), it will still sell, and THEN, maybe the New Larger Camry (the replacement for the Avalon) will sell enough, that they will drop the Avalon all together. Sounds silly, and if this was an American company, I would stick to my thoughts here, but for Toyota, it is a stretch.

    Now I agree, but don't like it, they will likely drop the Avalon, ONLY because it has been around long enough, and they won't likely get the sells from it that they WILL from a newly re-designed and named Avalon ("What's your choice for the new name?)

    I'm just stating my thoughts … what are yours?

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