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2010 Toyota Avalon

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  • mcclearyflmcclearyfl Posts: 149
    Speculating on Toyota's Japanese models as replacements for the Avalon is a lot of fun, but the reality is very different. The Avalon is a North America-only model, and probably doesn't have the sales volume that would justify its existence, except for one thing. It is manufactured at the same Georgetown Kentucky plant as the Camry, and there are procurement and manufacturing synergies that make the car worthwhile from a profit perspective.

    Any significant deviation from its Camry-derived platform and running gear would put the Avalon in an unsustainable market position.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,953
    I believe the Avalon is currently using the old Camry platform (2006) as basically the Avalon body hasn't changed since 2005. So maybe at least they will be changing over to the new body.

    Of course I could be wrong if the 2005 Avalon got the new body before the Camry?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,266
    As the chart shows with each passing year sales of a model declines so based upon historial precedence the Avalon cannot survive unless a new model is introduced.

    US Calendar Year Sales
    2000 --104,078
    2001 --83,005
    2002 --69,029
    2003 --50,911
    2004 --36,460

    2005 --95,318
    2006 --88,938
    2007 --72,945
    2008 --42,790
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    It will be interesting to see what 2009 brings for sales.

    It's not just the aging of a model now, it's also the economy, other models and simply do folks need a new car?

    Many of us, currently have a new enough model, and those that don't, may not have a job, or don't know how much longer they will have a job.

    Folks are getting much harder to talk into a new car, when they one they have is just fine, or in MANY cases, they are up-side down on the value vs the trade-in or even selling out right price.

    I know I paid just months earlier, a price for my Avalon, that at the time was very good ($6.000.00 under invoice), yet now as a trade-in it's worth even less then that by several thousand dollars ; this is to much, for even me to deal with.

    I say "Even me" because - if I want something I just buy it:)

    Now I'll wait and see what the next model has to offer, and if I WANT it, I'll deal with the money issues and be ok with it. Heck I'm looking into trading for a 2 or 3 year old Lexus LS 430, and we'll be taking a beating - of sorts.

    The bottom line here is this.

    The automotive industry wants folks to pay a new car, but folks just can't keep doing this every other year, and if folks keep their cars for 5 or more years, which is what they are saying folks are doing, then the industry will have to look at making cars for 2 years, then taking a year off or something weird like that.

    But I digress …:)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Of course I could be wrong if the 2005 Avalon got the new body before the Camry?

    In '05 the platform was heavily revised ("all new" according to Yota) for the then new Avalon. The '07 Camry then got the shortened version and the 2GR motor from the Avalon. So as of right now the Camry and Avalon (and Highlander, ES, RX, RAV, Sienna) are all on the same basic platform and engines.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • jemannerjemanner Posts: 9
    I agree to this thread, the Avalon will probably go away in these tough times for auto manufacturers. Besides the obvious, such as very little response to suggested improvements by owners (NAV system, soft handling, etc) there are small indicators unnoticed my some, such as the 2009 brochure being very abbreviated, and dropping the Touring model, which Consumer Reports reported as being the better handling model. I hope I am wrong, but the indicators are out there.
  • jemannerjemanner Posts: 9
    Talked to my dealer today, and if one can believe the sales folks, the Avalon will receive a makeover for 2010. However, he was not forthcoming with any details, if there are any available at this point in time.
  • bl101bl101 Posts: 1
    I spoke to Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky Inc., the Toyota Motor Corp. subsidiary responsible for the Georgetown, Kentucky assembly plant that produces the Avalon, on 6/15/09.

    They confirmed that a 2010 Avalon will be produced, although they would not share when production of the 2010 vehicle would begin. I inferred from their comments that no significant design changes would be introduced for the 2010 model year.

    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky Inc. did indicate that the 2009 Avalon continues to be produced. They also confirmed that it is still possible to factory order a 2009 Avalon should you care to do so.
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    The Avalon needs a major update or redesign in order to effectively compete with the forthcoming Ford Taurus and Buick Lacrosse, which should both be outstanding cars for the money. The Taurus seems to have more sporty pretensions and its close relationship to the Lincoln MKS is more than obvious. The Lacrosse seems to be more luxury oriented. Both cars in the low $30ks, well equipped. I don't think the 2010 Avalon will be competitive without a major redesign.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Were I managing Toyota the new Avalon would be a RWD clone of Lexus GS with the Venza I4 but upgraded to DFI.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    with the Venza I4

    Hell no! Make it RWD, six - eight inches longer than the GS, and throw in the direct injected version of the the 2GR. Now were talking!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    Why would you want to redesign the Avalon from an honest 30 MPG, regular fuel, very roomy and comfortable sedan, with more than adequate performance into a more costly vehicle with the same features as a half dozen other Lexus, BMW, etc. platforms.

    I have no desire to spend an additional 10K on a vehicle like this.
  • carlupicarlupi Posts: 52
    Mechanically, the current Avalon is a total winner but needs updated styling to appeal to a wider customer base. Toyota should keep the outstanding mechanics from the current model, specially the very fuel efficient engine and silky smooth transmission, but redesign the sheet metal to eliminate its "frumpy" look.

    I own a 2009 Avalon and cannot believe how a car of this size and weight can be so fuel efficient. I just returned from an 800 mile road trip during which I averaged 30 MPG while consistently doing 75-80 miles per hour on the highway.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Lexus ES350 = Toyota Camry.....

    No basis for assuming 10K $ increment.

    Shared parts bin and design savings.

    Common parts bin: Saturn = Chevrolet = Pontiac = Buick = Oldsmobile = GMC = Cadillac

    Carries it a bit too far but you get the idea.

    "..total winner.." FWD...NEVER...!!

    Only if you live in the tropics.
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    Your first line is exactly what I am talking about. An ES or Camry has not even close to the roominess in my Avalon. Maybe a little more performance in the ES with premium fuel. I have leather and don't need a sunroof or 17" alloys.

    Not sure what the parts bin of mostly extinct GM cars is supposed to tell me.

    I live in the south and have always felt that FWD was the best thing since sliced bread or maybe ABS. I think I had RWD last on my 74 Ford Torino Wagon.
  • kq0b1kq0b1 Posts: 14
    Fantastic gas mileage on a trip from St. louis to Kansas City, Ks trip. Highest mpg 30.3. MPG was better around 70 mph. Car rides so smooth it is amazing; also puts the wife to sleep it rides so great. Not sure what Toyota will come out with for 2010 but my 2009 is a winner. I have also compared it to the Lexus 350 for price and the Avalon is well worth the price over the 350. I think the 460 Lexus is a better comparison to the Avalon Limited.
  • kq0b1kq0b1 Posts: 14
    The cost of buying the dealer equipment and installation for SAT radio is about $550. For those of you out there who have a Iphone think about adding the SAT application on the Iphone. Just hooked my Iphone 3GS into the auxillary connector and now playing it through the speakers. Works fantastic plus if you need GPS or directions just use the Iphone and save another $200 plus. Dont forget the mobile DC charger and additionally turn the sound up on the Iphone so you can control volume on the radio. Really love the Iphone for its portability.
  • mmccloskeymmccloskey Posts: 168
    Just got the latest issue of Motor Trend. In their new car buyer's guide section, they note the only change for the 2010 Avalon is a new color called 'Sandy Beach Metallic. Looks like those hoping for an all new or revised Avalon will be waiting a bit longer. This is certainly good new for those who purchased a 2009 as it will still be current for another year or so.

    M. J. McCloskey
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok, so how many miles to a tank were you getting?

    I just went on a trip to South Carolina from Maine (twice in the last 3 weeks), and I got:

    511 miles to the tank
    484
    460
    475
    420
    385

    MPG went down as I added people and their gear to the car.

    As for smooth, I'd say fine. As for comfort, my [non-permissible content removed] is still hurting. This I'm very disappointed about.

    I added a folded quilt to the drivers seat to see if that would help. It did a little, but still not what I want to do, to be comfortable in my new car.

    2008 Avalon Touring

    Bought new in December, and now have 21,000 miles on it.

    I will say, I had a friend drive the other day, and I sat in the back sit, and that was pretty nice. I did this because I have ANOTHER trip coming up, and I'll have my in-laws with us. We'll put on about 3,500 in 2 weeks and was wondering how comfortable or uncomfortable they will be. I think they will be ok.

    I did drive a 2005 LS 430 today, and that was not enough better to consider buying. I may test drive a 2005 S430 Mercedes to see if that's any better.

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  • kq0b1kq0b1 Posts: 14
    I am surprised but would think that an option or two will be included for the 2010. Dont matter much with me as I got mine in May and it is a honey. Read my remarks on the Iphone coupled to work with the Avalon. Friend tried hard to talk me into NAV and cruise options -- no worth the money; besides too many things and I will fall sleep while driving.
    Thanks for the update
  • wwessonwwesson Posts: 2
    I have a 2009 Avalon and love it. Only one minor draw back and that is auxillary power outlets that go off when ingnition turns off. I would like to modify at least one to stay on all the time for GPS. Has anyone done this?

    Looks like it could easily be done in the underdash fuse box by jumping auxillary power fuse to fuel tank fuse. Looks like fuel tank door switch is always hot. Would have to insure there is no feedback to cold side of aux power fuse when ignition is off but this is easily done by cutting off prong to fuse on hot side. Could use a jumper tab for none hot side that goes to fuel tank switch fuse.

    Would also like to see aux power in trunk for electric ice chest, etc, use.
  • lsundaylsunday Posts: 7
    We own 2 Toyota Avalons - a 2004 XLS and a 2008 Limited. We used to own Buicks but the lack of quality killed that. Both of our Avalons are tremendous cars and are very high quality. I traded a Lexus ES 330 on the 2008 Avalon Limited due to the lack of interior room in the Lexus - especially in the rear - and a very rough transmission. I keep hearing rumors that Toyota is thinking of canceling the Avalon due to lack of sales. If the sales are lagging it is Toyota's own fault. How long has it been since you saw an Avalon advertised. They never advertise them. They have one of the highest rated full size sedans in this country and they don't advertise it. It doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of killing it they need to promote it.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I couldn't agree more.

    We may find,that what the real reason is, the number of sales the Avalon STEALS from Lexus, is the reason they may discontinue the Avalon. A very silly reason, but a reason none the less.

    If you look at ad's by your area Toyota dealer, you rarely see the Avalon in the ad's, and like you said. I can't remember the last time (or the first time for that matter), that I saw an Avalon TV commercial?

    As much as I like my 2008 Avalon Touring Edition, I will say, it's no where near as comfortable as I'd like.

    So far, in the 53 + cars I have owned over the years, my most comfortable have been:

    1) 1966 Pontiac Catalina
    2) 1968 Catalina Coupe
    3) 1996 Buick Park Avenue Limited (with Velvet type lounge chairs for seats)
    4) 1998 Buick Park Avenue
    5) 1968 Cutless Supreme
    6) 2008 Toyota Avalon

    Now most of the cars ahead of the Avalon were much larger cars, and much heavier cars.

    Has anyone tried Air Shocks on the Avalon, and if so, what did you think?

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Boy after reading this article and looking the pictures over, this looks a lot like a Lexus LS 460?

    - http://japancarblog.com/toyota-launches-new-majesta/comment-page-1/
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,266
    According to Wikipedia,"the Crown Majesta was introduced as a more substantial alternative to the smaller Toyota Crown. The Crown Majesta was developed for the Japanese Domestic Market, as a more reserved, conservative alternative to the sporty Toyota Celsior [Lexus LS 400] in 1989."

    The Toyota Crown Majesta is a full-size premium luxury automobile, similar to the Jaguar XJ, Mercedes S-Class, Infiniti Q and BMW 7 series.

    Nonetheless, unless Toyota can differentiate and justify the price premium for the Avalon over the Camry XLE V-6 they will have an uphill task of trying to unload them. With new entrants such as the Ford Taurus/SHO, Buick Lacrosse CXS, and Hyundai Genesis Toyota must up the ante (read, more appealing styling) to effectively compete in this market segment.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Here is the thinking from the home office in Japan on the 2010's (from my information):

    The plan was for a completely new car, following the typical 5 year model run. The problems came early as Avalon sales slowed and an RWD platform was deemed necessary, but too expensive. Then Toyota saw the world slowdown coming and actually ceased all redesign efforts. There was no real good choice except continue the present design or drop the model completely. And remember, even though the Avalon is a low production car they are built in Kentucky with the Camry. They actually make a little money per unit and attract buyers to the showroom. If they buy a Camry, ok, but the Avalon got them to the dealership.

    Also, most Toyota execs do not feel the Avalon steals from the Lexus 3xx series. Lexus is a name you want, Avalons are Toyotas. We know some switching goes on, we read it here on Edmunds.com. But for most shoppers there is no real dilemma in which to choose.

    For the near term, what we see is what we will get. Or nothing. The replacement car needs to built here, not Japan. Ultimately, a new model will replace the current Avalon, but until the world economy improves don't expect much. Avalon is falling behind in the sheet metal design but the car is winner in every other category, my opinion.... Enjoy your Avy's, great cars. :)
  • lsundaylsunday Posts: 7
    The justification for the price is the interior room. The Avalon is a full size car with plenty of interior room. That is one of the main reasons that I buy them. Quality and Ride are the others. The new Buick LaCrosse is a beautiful car but try sitting in the back seat of it and then try the Avalon. Your question will be answered. The Avalon is just slightly smaller inside than a Lexus LS but much larger than an ES or GS. Lexus does not build a car that compares to the Avalon. I transport clients in my Avalon. They love it for the room they have.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    On the other hand didn't Toyota just announce that a new RWD 2 seat sports car is currently moving from the drawing board and into production..??

    Personally I would expect to soon see a Toyota version of the Lexus GS series (new I4, 6-speed, RWD and maybe DFI..??) to replace the Avalon.
  • carlupicarlupi Posts: 52
    The key difference in ride between the Touring model and other Avalons is the tires and rims, not the suspension. The Touring uses low profile, "performance" tires that give a much rougher ride. Switch to a higher profile tire and you'll get a smoother ride.
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