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2010 Toyota Avalon

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    The way Toyota's transmissions are programmed has long been a discussion here on Edmunds and many other places. Really the car tells you how it wants to be driven. IMO you get used to it. They are certainly tuned for FE as you suggest, they upshift early and often to keeps the revs as low as possible. Its not just Toyota, my 09 Genesis has what seems to be the exact same trans logic as my '06 Avalon even though they are different trans (06 was a 5 speed, '09 is a 6).

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • kq0b1kq0b1 Posts: 14
    Class action?? you gotta get more folks to complain - a class action of one is not gonna do it.

    No problems with my 2009 -- and cannot see what they changed to the 2010. Can some enlighten me what they did for an upgrade on the 2010.

    I gotta start using the manual shift --- smooth running car so far with fantastic gas mileage. just had my first oil change.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...simple reprogramming.."

    Adversely affects FE so that would probably be a violation of EPA regulations.
  • What is the lastest news about the future of the Avalon? Will it be remodeled in 2011 or discontinued?
  • Has anyone heard an update on whether Toyota will re-style the Avalon or will they discontinue it in 2011?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Several articles on the web, say it's being discontinued, and that they may be going to a stretch Camry?

    - http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257913

    Then there is this piece which say's "It's Coming", but the link doesn't work?

    - http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2994688&posted=1#post2994688

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  • Hmmm., I thought the Avalon was presently on a stretched Camry platform? I AM one of those senior citizens described in the link, albeit not at the colostomy bag stage as yet. However, even us old farts like some excitment in a vehicle. The Touring edition was a better handling Avalon, and in their infinite wisdom, it was discontinued. A RWD performance-orientated machine might be the answer for Toyota. Went to a BMW 335d, significantly better mileage than the Avalon, and definitely superior handling. Tired of waiting for the corporate announcement to decree the Avalon a white elephant.
  • I, too, am a senior citizen, and I will have to defend my Avalon a little bit. I like the Toyota ride, which has been described by some as mushy, but the handling hasn't gotten me in trouble yet. It suits me much better than the firm "German" ride that picks up every bump in the road.

    With my honest 30 MPG on the road at 75 MPH, I don't think the BMW mileage is "significantly better", and the 335d price seems to be at least $10K higher.

    There are a couple of engineering issues, but if you get the proper VVTi oil line, and learn how to drive the electronic tranny, it's a very nice car for the price.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I loved my 06 Avalon. The ride was fantastic, the 3.5 V6 is simply amazing too. The car is not a handler, even in the "Touring" form that was available early on. If it wasn't for the Genesis coming out there is no doubt I would have leased another Avalon. I still miss the plush ride, but the Genesis handles much better than the Avalon, a trade off I guess.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • I purchased a new 2010 Avalon XLS two weeks ago. I was tired of wondering what the future plans truly are (whether the entire lineup will be discontinued or not). Besides, I live in New England. The dark charcoal interior is almost impossible to find around here--very RARE! I insisted on buying a new car with a dark interior and light exterior (I went with silver). I really like this color combination and the dealership had it in stock on the lot.

    I liked the car enough to purchase it, but I have to say that I am disappointed! I cannot get used to the transmission. I find that the acceleration is also not as good as my former car, a 2004 Corolla. I understand the Avalon is a bigger, heavier car. What I don't understand is why the car hesitates and almost pulls back, when I remove my foot from the accelerator.

    Also, I have noticed the car makes strange noises while turned on. There is a slight friction noise while turning the steering wheel. I took it back to the dealer 3 days after I drove it home. They said that the steering column was a bit dry and that it needed some lubrication, so they greased it. This does not sound right for a new, $35,000 car. The same exact sound still appears, so it obviously didn't need grease! Other noises also continue to appear in the cabin of the car--not rattles, more of a buzzing sound. These sounds are faint, but definitely can be heard without the radio or any heating/AC turned on. Overall, I am a bit disappointed and plan to take it back to the dealership to be looked at tomorrow. Is anyone else experiencing such issues with their new Avalon?
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I think you will find the Avalon plenty quick once you get used to it (04 Corolla in the 8 second range 0 to 60 the Avalon is in the 6 second range). The engine likes to be revved up a bit (after 3500 RPM is where all the power is). As for the transmission, it takes a while to get used to it. It is tuned for maximum fuel economy. The reason why you feel like the car "pulls back" when letting off of the accelertor is the trans upshifting (again to max FE).

    As for the noises on startup. One is usually the ABS pump doing a "self-test" completely normal. The other "buzzes" and so forth are the various actuators/blend doors etc for the HVAC. They seem to do things even when the system is off. My '06 did the same things. The car is so quiet you hear everything.

    As for the steering wheel, not sure what that could be. My '06 had the steering column replaced for a mild clunk that was a pretty much known issue. Your problem sounds different. It could just be an ill fitting trim piece around the wheel rubbing.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Hi

    Thats interesting as far as your car "hesitating",
    I got a 2007 XLS so it has the 5 speed tranny and not the new 6 speed.
    I've only noticed a little hesitation when the car is stone cold (well not hesitation but it wont rev past 3500 until warm, which is a good thing of course....).

    My 2007 XLS has always had a ton of pickup and when I've let off the gas I have never noticed any form of "pull back".

    I had a 2006 Corolla S before this Avalon which I loved, the tranny on my current Avalon is awesome! in comparison.
    If I was forced to complain on one thing it would be the short first gear, when you sometimes need that get up and go and the car has shifted in second, the rev range is to high to get back to 1st for any real power, yet far to low in second for anything usable.

    Other than that the car always knows what to do all by itself to get me what I need whether I am doing 40mph or 80mph.

    I have never had a car of this type and have heard some conflicting stories of the new 6 speed generation, I cant speak from that stand point but so far (37000 miles) my Avalon has never made one disturbing sound and has never given one problem.

    I can only pray it remains to serve :)

    Here is my baby:

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    Cheers

    Sheldon
  • Thank you for your replies! I feel better after hearing from current owners. In my mind, I felt like I bought a lemon! Toyota has always been my only choice of vehicles and probably will always be my only choice! I think I truly have to get use to this new car. A Corolla drives entirely different than the Avalon, and I have to get use to this new change!

    The Avalon is so quiet, that you can hear the slightest sounds! At least I know the car is mechanically fine and that the sounds I'm hearing are normal. Thank you very much for your help!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..trans upshifting..."

    No, the "trans" will actually downshift, sequentually, again and again as roadspeed declines, but not to such a level as to make it a safety issue due to engine braking on teh front wheels. The intent is to enhance FE via extending the "fuel cut" coastdown period/time but without stalling the engine.

    The new (07..??) ECU control firmware "watches" the rate at which you release pressure on the gas pedal and if you release gas pedal pressure significant quicker than your average the transaxle is more likely to remain in the lower gear you were just using for acceleration. Presumption being that you wish to now coast down to a lower speed.

    This technique is used to (hopefully) avoid some of the inadvertent upshifts that often proceed a need to downshift. In the past the transaxle would ALWAYS upshift as you released pressure on the gas pedal on the presumption that you wished to enter cruise mode.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    W,

    OK, because from what I remember of my '06 (5 speed in that year) was that on a level grade at low speeds the RPMs would drop (upon lifting up on the pedal) to me indicating an upshift. It shifts so smooth sometimes you can't tell. This is where alot of the infamous hesistation problems people complain about arose. Let off the gas, then in a few seconds put your foot back down and there was (still is?) a second delay while the tranny makes up its mind to downshift (probably doesn't have enough pump pressure at low RPM??).

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • I have a 2003 Avalon XLS and have loved it! Unfortunately, because the mileage is above 100,000 miles, it is time to begin looking for its replacement. I drove the 2010 Avalon and loved the feel but found it to be over 5 inches longer than the 2003. I really like a shorter car. The Camry is about the same length as my 2003 Avalon. Has anyone gone from a fully loaded Avalon to a fully loaded Camry and liked it? What about a Nissan Maxima?
    :confuse:
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    First, the RPMs will always drop somewhat due to "unloading" the torque converter.

    But you are otherwise correct, probably correct on two counts. First, I don't think your '06 had the firmware version that tried to avoid upshifting. And second, the fuel cut downshifting for FE wasn't as predominant.

    "..in a few seconds.."

    No, I think in order to encounter the extended, most noticeable, downshift delay/hesitation you must get back on the gas almost immediately after the transaxle begins the upshift, or during the upshift sequence. Wait a few seconds and the ATF pump will have time to "rebuild" the pressure.
  • We have a 2004 Avalon XLS that we purchased new and really love the car. The dealers keep wanting me to trade it and I won't consider it. We also have a 2008 Avalon Limited. I love it also. The extra length is not a problem and adds to the ride quality. If you have adult rear seat passengers do not consider a Camry or a Nissan or a Lexus ES. They don't have any rear seat room. Both of our Avalons are quite deceptive when it comes to rear seat room - they have a ton but don't look like it from the outside. My advice - go with the Avalon. I went from the 2004 Avalon to a Lexus ES (my wife took the 2004) back to an Avalon. I am so glad to be be back driving an Avalon. In reality, your 2003 probably has another 100K miles in it with proper maintenance.
  • Isunday,

    Thanks for the good advice. Today I test drove a 2010 Nissan Maxima, a fully loaded Camry, a fully loaded Venza and a fully loaded Avalon. By far the Avalon had the best ride! If we settled for anything else we would feel we had stepped down.

    I am concerned that Toyota will discontinue the Avalon. We went to a very large Toyota dealership in the DFW area and they only had 4 Avalons on the lot. Right now it looks like we will be driving another Avalon - just hope they continue to carry the line.
  • Don't worry!

    A 2011 Avalon--fully redesigned-- is currently being tooled up for an expected debut in Feb or March 2010. The only thing I could get from my dealer is that it is more "Lexus like" and will have a better nav system.
  • I am wondering if the only recall regarding the 2010 Avalon is the issue involving the accelerator and floor mat. Here is the link to the description of the recall:

    http://www.newcar.com/15/04/2010/toyota/avalon/recalls/38997.html

    Does anyone else know of any official recalls for the 2010 model year? I am a bit confused regarding the recall with the floor mat and the accelerator. My neighbor, an older woman, also purchased a new 2010 Avalon. She claims that she's received several recalls for this new car within a month. One being a hose associated with the motor oil, and another that she described as the car (possibly)accelerating rapidly on its own (not as a result of the floor mat getting stuck with the gas pedal). This is another entirely different issue. Can someone please clarify?

    I've only had my car for nearly 3 weeks and have not yet received an official recall notices from Toyota.
  • Well mine is the 2007 XLS, I have only received one letter regarding the stuck accelerator and as my other post suggested, it did look to turn out to be user error in using mats not designed for the vehicle or not using the hooks to clip them in place.

    Personally when you pay 35000 for a vehicle, I somehow don't think the majority of us go for grey import mats of lesser quality, I for one went for the Toyota mats designed for the vehicle and hence have never and will never have this problem.

    There may have been other recalls before my vehicle though, so far I've had no issues *knock wood* :)

    Cheers

    Sheldon
  • I have a 2007 as well, and the only official Toyota "mail" I have received is about the floor mat issue. As N says, the factory carpet mats, hooked properly, will never cause a problem.

    I have never received anything in writing from Toyota about the very real VVTi oil line issue (supposedly fixed at the factory in mid 2008), or the mysterious, really unverified, vehicle acceleration seemingly caused by electronic glitches. I would not expect late model (2009-2010) owners to ever see anything from Toyota on either of these issues.
  • popsavalon & necro1234,

    Thank you both for your replies to my post on the recall--I appreciate your help! This is why I enjoy participating in these discussions, as current owners (people that have owned the same car for a few years) know most about these cars!
  • I am a current Camry owner with 160,000 miles on my car and expecting 100,000 more. I am about to purchase a 2010 Avalon and need some help making decisions. Should I get the extended warranty? Can someone tell me about their repair history? I turned down the Toyoguard Plus Protection Group Package, does anyone think this is necessary? Should I get the Exterior Paint Sealant, Undercoating and Interior Protection Application put on after I have the car.

    I am new to this forum and have enjoyed the knowledge I have received so far. Thanks for all the good advice; I look forward to learning more.
    VAT
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I can say this, if these things are good, then I would do them. I say it like this, because it wasn't offered to me, and now my paint has a fair amount of hairline scratches.

    Interior protection package … I've got leather and don't think this would be of much help for what they'll likely charge for it.

    Undercoating, I haven't seen this sold in New England in a few years?

    Extended warranty, I'd waiting until mine was up or close to it, to decide.

    So far anything I've needed was under warranty so I'm not sure about paying extra for something that is currently free.

    Not much help, but it is what it is.

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  • Definitely NO on the last three, all are stealership "packs." On as reliable a car as an Avalon is, would also skip the extended warranty. Not familiar with what exactly is included in the Toyoguard package.
  • I definitely would NOT purchase the extended warranty for your new Avalon. Speaking for myself (I also just purchased a 2010 Avalon), I don't think I put on enough mileage in one year (between 7k-10k) to even require a need for the extended warranty. Depending upon how much mileage you put on annually, should help you decide if the extended warranty is worth the extra money. Being a current Toyota owner, I'm sure you're well aware of the fabulous reliability of these cars!

    I personally think all of the extra packages, warranties, etc. offered by dealers are a complete waste of money! Save the money and do not get sucked into these offerings! Please keep us posted on how you like your new vehicle! Good luck!
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 589
    Most of the consumer mags suggest not buying the extended warranty if you are buying an otherwise usually reliable (nothing is perfect) car such as the Avalon. As above, you can wait till the factory warranty is almost expired to decide. Cost is about $900. at the right Toyota dealership, you can buy from any.

    Toyoguard basic has been on all my 3 Avalons. The wax is great and the finish on the cars has always been first class. I like it, glad I paid for it, but others may feel differently. Extra paint sealant, undercoating and leather protector are not necessary on an Avalon. Good luck, hope this helps....
  • I don't know where you are, but if you live in the snowbelt buy the 3M shield.
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