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  • writerwriter Posts: 119
    I have not seen a new Mazda 3 on the road yet. Or if I did, I was too busy to notice it. The pictures make the styling look awkward. It looks like they are taking the styling cues from
    the last previous model and trying to mix in a new direction. I am hoping that when I see it live it will look better. That is quite possible lately. As I have said, the Cruze looks better in the real world than the first pictures I saw, and so does the Sonic.

    About the Spark. It is hard to believe it has been around for over a year. I have not seen many at all. Maybe it was released later in Canada? That would have been unusual since Canada has always bought more of the smaller cars. My comments about smaller cars looking better with the same styling cues fits this situation. Except for the grille/headlights, the Spark does have some Sonic styling, and yes, it does look better overall.

    As for the swept back headlights. Oddly, the feel "outdated". The old Celica looked good. The original Focus, well, it always looked like a watermelon to me. I never really liked the look. I accepted it. It was another "if you gave one to me I'd drive it" car. The Nissan G35/GTR styles look good, and I still consider the original G35 a new "classic". But maybe not so new now? Yeah, the headlight idea sort of strikes me as, old.

    The odd thing about "micro" cars is that the most common I see in Toronto are the Smart and the upper price versions of the Fiat 500. It is an inverted price response. There are some old Yaris coupes around, but I think the newer ones are starting to get big aren't they?

    I forgot to mention that the Sonic long trunk version looks better than the hatchback. In Toronto, I mainly see the hatchbacks.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313
    edited December 2013

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,688
    edited December 2013

    There's one styling "trick" that never seems to work but it's back and just as dopey as ever>

    Square fender openings over round wheels, bad stylists bad! No supper for you tonight, and emphasizing them with blisters, no, no no! :'( :@

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    Looks like something glued on as an afterthought. I know what they are trying to do. They are trying to 'bulk it up" so that you think you're getting a tough GMC truck.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,647

    That GMC almost had me doing a 'spit take' the first time I saw it. I don't gag now, but just because I'm used to it, I guess ;)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012

    Perhaps the design genius who penned the 00s Colorado has retained employment.

    @andys120 said: There's one styling "trick" that never seems to work but it's back and just as dopey as ever>

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    Square fender openings over round wheels, bad stylists bad! No supper for you tonight, and emphasizing them with blisters, no, no no! :'( :@

  • writerwriter Posts: 119
    edited December 2013

    @andys120 said:

    ...

    "Memorandum

    GM Art Dept.

    to Staff

    Re: Terrain

    The Boss says photoshop the wheels and tires."

  • writerwriter Posts: 119

    @Stever@Edmunds said: Best cupholder ever. B)

    I'm still wrapping my head around this one. Does it hold 2 cups or is that last move "just because they could?"

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313
    edited December 2013

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,688

    I wonder if Lamborghini styling isn't stuck in a rut. You tell me>

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012
    edited January 10

    Slow evolution?

    The new one has ever-trendy/cliched leering eyes, so the aging businessmen and devilspawn of blood money investor visa tycoons who buy these things new can pretend to be intimidating and aggressive.

    @andys120 said: I wonder if Lamborghini styling isn't stuck in a rut. You tell me>

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 13

    I'm a product of my age (56 this coming June), but I think this car is nearly (nearly) timeless in styling. I can't think of a more-desirable sedan for me. Near-perfect packaging, nice interior, good handling and performance for its day with a 350 and F41 suspension package, and Chevrolet-priced. Anything else domestic the same year seems almost ancient in comparison, IMHO:

    http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/chevy/78cap_2.html

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    it's not bad at all---it's a "formal look", basically a 3-box with a nice "taper" front and rear, and clean side panels, and wheels that generously fill the well openings. My only quibble is that the B & C pillars are too thick and the door handles look glued on and cheesy. No doubt this is due to GM platform sharing and parts-bin sharing.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012
    edited January 13

    Although I was zero years old when those debuted and have little memory of them as brand new cars. I can agree. A very clean design, far ahead of the competition design-wise. The fact that the basic shape lasted so long speaks more to its soundness than to GM cheapness, I think. The sport coupes with the "glass house" rear window are cool in a way, too.

    On that note, on the foreign front, I think the MB W126 and C126 definitely fit the "timeless" designation, and are one of the best MBs in the history of the company. Overbuilt and over-engineered, sturdy, available in a zillion configurations, and they still look good today. Hard to imagine they are as old as they are.

    Entered production late 1979:

    Entered production late 1981:

    @uplanderguy said: I'm a product of my age (56 this coming June), but I think this car is nearly (nearly) timeless in styling.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    once Mercedes flattened out their grillwork and put some large body molding under the doors, to break up the broadside nature of the cars and reduce side, as well as front, profiles, they definitely started to look better. One might call them 'handsome" rather than "pretty", and precious few 1979 cars look as good to the modern eye.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012

    The lower moldings certainly help break it up. MB used that trick for many years. Not pretty cars, but definitely handsome, and they aged pretty well. W126 sedan is 35 years old this year, crazy. And fintails are 55 years old!

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: once Mercedes flattened out their grillwork and put some large body moldin

  • berriberri Posts: 4,235

    I think the trick to good styling may actually be classic simplicity, but that is much easier said than done. Postwar, I think some of the Italian designers were particularly good at that unless they got carried away with adding bric a brac onto the body - think some of the 50/60's Ferrari's and Alpha's, although the British designed XKE is hard to top. As for Americans, Virgil Exner seemed to design a timeless, classically good looking vehicle in the 57 Forward look cars, particularly the Chrysler 300 that year. But the hard part is that in this country at least, once a design has been out a few years buyers often tire of it. They don't seem to recognize that their vehicle had classic lines until maybe 7 or 8 years after they traded it and look back. Chrysler was always under financial crisis, so Exner was pressured to keep changing the state of the art - but you really can't do that very often and some odd designs resulted. I think Bill Mitchell at GM was one of the best at this. Then there were guys you have to admire like Teague and Bourke that put out some remarkable styling on the "cheap" such as the Studebaker Hawk, AMC Javelin/AMX or the early Jeep SUV's.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    Exner's designs might be "classic period" but they are certainly not "timeless". They are firmly riveted in 50s dateline and type--not that that is a bad thing, but they stick out like a sore thumb to the modern eye's gaze....unlike a classic 80s Benz, you don't ask "what year is that '57 Dodge?" You pretty much know---oh, the tailfin craze.

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,235

    I guess it boils down to how you define classic. I think you feel it must be timeless in that you can't readily tell it's year. There are postwar cars that fit that description like the XKE. However, I think timeless can also be reflected in a vehicle that is in constant demand over time. A 57 Chrysler 300 commands top dollar here and overseas. It may reflect and be identifiable as the mid 50's, but I think your narrower interpretation would kind of result in a bias toward either prewar vehicles, or postwar vehicles that had little styling change for a number of years. Most postwar cars can usually be tied to a narrow production years range.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    Yeah, that's what I meant---postwar vehicles with very little styling changes--because they didn't need to. "Timeless" does seem to imply "outside of time", and tail fins the size of billboards are rather firmly rooted into just a few years. Same, say, with those "wedge cars' from the 80s (Aston Martin, Subaru, TR7, etc). They are now "date-stamped" forever.

    If people pay big bucks for a '57 Chrysler 300, it's related to their rarity and their outrageousness--they only made 1,918 of those coupes, and perhaps 200 still exist, so even if you want one, you can't just go buy one in a flash. You have to hunt, and you won't see another most likely at the local car show.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313

    The new Jeep Cherokee has been garnering lots of styling comments, mostly negative, at least concerning the front end. Dan Neil at the Wall St. Journal says "conventional automobile grilles—and the recognizable geometries of the brands behind them, their "down the road graphics"—are destined to become functionally obsolete."

    There's a lot of dead air between the engine and the hood in the Cherokee, but it has the required homage to the brand.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,688

    Look Alikes>

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    Ferrari wins that one.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313

    But the Vette gets better mileage. :D

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    I hope all those scoops and ducts DO something.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,688
    edited February 13

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: Ferrari wins that one.

    I vehemently disagree, the Vette might be a bit outre but there is a certain drama to it's shape. The new California is another so-so styling from a company that once made some of the prettiest cars around.

    At least it's an improvement over the California 2.0 v.1.>

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,352

    I like the rear end treatment of the Ferrari better--otherwise it's a toss-up.

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  • writerwriter Posts: 119

    Apparently Korean singer-actress "IU" is driven around in a special car. I have never seen anything quite like it. Can anyone tell me what this thing is?

    "140529 아이유(IU) 소극장 콘서트 "딱 한발짝 그 만큼 더" 퇴근길"

    PS: I do not know what the title says. I do not read, write, speak or understand Korean.

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,688

    @writer said: Apparently Korean singer-actress "IU" is driven around in a special car. I have never seen anything quite like it. Can anyone tell me what this thing is?

    "140529 아이유(IU) 소극장 콘서트 "딱 한발짝 그 만큼 더" 퇴근길"

    PS: I do not know what the title says. I do not read, write, speak or understand Korean.

    It sure looks like a modified late model Kia Sedona to me

    Kia Sedona(US market version>

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,069
    edited June 22

    I wasn't all the crazy about the Corvette, until I saw one up close in person at the GM show in Carlisle PA yesterday. Still not my thing, but I could understand its appeal. I can actually see a bit of the '53 heritage in its front-end treatment.

    The Ferrari looks kinda like a chick car in comparison. And that 2.0 V1 edition looks like an old Hyundai Tiburon that someone tried to do a kit car conversion on. At least use a Fiero! :p

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