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  • shotgunshotgun Member Posts: 184
    Good points Mark - but in fairness to most of the preliminary reviews I've read, the authors have gone out of their way to point out that they only spent one day with the car. Insufficient to form any concrete conclusions and that subsequent, more comprehensive reviews, would tell the real story. I've read the various articles for what they were intended, cursory previews - nothing more nothing less. But you must admit, the "previews" were quite glowing and portent nothing but good news for Acura...
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    shotgun
    That is true. And at 1:1 ratio, the crankshaft and the drive shaft turn at the same rate.

    rayainsw
    I’m wondering if Honda could modify the secondary axle to get out of the way in top gear, essentially creating a much taller sixth gear ratio. Some gearboxes (usually manual) are designed to work like that. Focus SVT was offered with a Getrag that utilized two axle ratios, with four (or five?) gear ratios to provide six ratios. If RL gets that, the 60 mph crusing rpm would drop to about 1700 rpm, and should help improve highway mileage.

    saugatak
    A better way to add more power and torque to the RL would likely come in the form of a supercharger. We may see superchargers running 5-6 psi and delivering 400 HP or more from the 3.5/V6 and maximum torque output would also jump to 340-350 lb.-ft.

    jeff88
    I agree. 17-inch rims are good enough for most practical purposes, and 18 inch for low profile rubber if a more sporty ride is desired. 20-inch rims would be an overkill (besides adding to the weight, cost and replacement cost of the tires).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I would rather focus on how RL performed than how it stacked up against the other cars included (BTW, a 2004 Acura RL was thrown in for good measure as well). And based on that, everybody seems to be impressed with the dynamics of the car. It appears to me, target was set to design a driver's car with emphasis on technology (electronic and mechanical). Instead of heated steering wheel, buyers get real time traffic interface, and thats something I expect from Acura/Honda.
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,191
    “comparison (at the price point) of the 2005 A6 3.2 (and, to be inclusive the 2005 BMW 5 series)” with options "equivalent" to the RL or at least optioned to the as close as possible price point

    Mark –

    You really raise (or approach) a very interesting issue here.

    Does one (in the automotive review ‘game’) choose vehicles for such a comparison test based only on a specific range of MSRP? On roughly equivalent equipment levels? On comparable engine size / configuration? On sheer overall size (passenger and / or trunk volume) or wheelbase? On a best quarter mile time quicker than 15.0 sec.? On the Edmunds TMV? (Sometimes close to MSRP – sometimes many thousands less.)

    Or on all of these factors? Weighted with a skew toward X?? And away from Z??

    What’s really “fair”?

    I can certainly see both validity and value in a comparison where the chosen ones must include: Minimum of 4 doors, some reasonable minimum wheelbase, some minimum level of both luxury and sporting intention, and at least 300 HP – meaning the new A6 3.2 at 255 HP (and the Passat W8 at 270) would not be included. (Who cares about the VW???)

    Lower the HP limit to 270 and the RWD (or even the AWD) version of the ’05 Infiniti G35 might appear to be a possible contender.

    Then again – if you must have a manual trans. . .

    So - does the A6 3.2 compete? Or the 4.2? Both?

    A loaded V6 STS – nope, not enough HP. A stripped (?!) STS V8? (STS V8 1SE-s appear to sticker in the $51K range.)

    Throw AWD into the mix as a requirement . . . and I will indeed be interested to see what the new ’05 crop of automotive stuff will be compared to.

    - Ray
    Glad I am not picking the ‘contenders’ for any such testing – as whatever I’d pick would be guaranteed to tick SOME group(s) off . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    I was left with the same impression.

    My initial expectation for the new RL is that it would at least compete with the performance and luxury of the outgoing models. In the case of the A6, the chassis goes back to 98 and the 3.0 engine goes back to 2002.

    With the other new models out now, I would not expect to see the new 2005 A6 review to state it handles better than the 04 RL or the 04 530; or have Audi set up a comparision of their new model with previous models.

    All that being said...the RL does appear to be a giant leap forward, and apparently it leaped over the pervious generation competition.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Member Posts: 200
    The Car and Driver last said of Cadillac CTS, Vs BMW 5 series, “this is the way a BMW should drive”
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    thanks for adding the negative aspects of the discussion, this place was getting too sweet. life has to be balanced.

    ;)
    ksso
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    heh

    I agree...sometimes you need to add a little spice to get the full flavor.
  • canadacraigcanadacraig Member Posts: 34
    Hi nebraskaguy!! :)

    The GST is added TO the price of whatever it is you're buying in Canada - it is not part of the price. But not only does someone add the GST [which is 7% - like you said] each province [except for Alberta] has its' own PST. [Provincial Sales Tax] In British Columbia [where I live] the PST increases depending upon the cost of the car you're buying. A car with an msrp of up to $47,000 the PST is 7.5%. [the base rate - which is the same for all other purchaes] A car with an msrp of between $47,000 and $47,999 - the PST is 8%. Between $48,000 and $48,999 - the PST is 9%. Anything above $48,999 is taxed at 10%. Sound stupid? It is!! So if I bought a new RL - I'd have to pay $69,500 PLUS 17.0% TAX. YIKES!! But at least all of those tax dollars are being spent wisely - so that's nice!! lol

    Craig!! :)
  • cericceric Member Posts: 1,092
    >A better way to add more power and torque to the RL would likely come in the form of a supercharger. We may see superchargers running 5-6 psi and delivering 400 HP or more from the 3.5/V6 and maximum torque output would also jump to 340-350 lb.-ft.<

    Before someone actually put a supercharger on top of it, one better makes sure the new tranny is up for the extra torque. 100ft-lb increase in torque is not a small increase. Anyone has the info on how much torque can the tranny handle? I guess we will have that info when new RLs are available in shops.
  • micartiemicartie Member Posts: 2
    I posted here a while ago when I first saw the RL Canadian pricing on the Canadiandriver wedsite. At C$69,500 (which works out to about US$53,500), the RL is approaching the likes of Lexus GS430 and Infiniti M45, both of which have V8 engines. I currently own a 2001 3.2CL Type S and was looking to move up to the new RL. However, at C$69,500, I am very tempted to consider the new GS or M45. Another vehicle in consideration is the Infiniti FX45 which also has AWD and loaded, it costs around C$67,000. I am not sure where Acura wants to position the RL but I always thought the Acura brand stands for outstanding cars at great value. That's why I bought the CL when it first came in in April 2000. I was hoping the same may apply to the new RL but I am not so sure.
  • briancambriancam Member Posts: 21
    It could be that Acura is making really great cars. The RL is exceptional in many ways - even if you're looking for things to hate it still comes off as an excellent car. It's fine to be critical but part of that is knowing when something simply deserves praise.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    In price comparisons, don&#146;t forget features. Otherwise, at $40K, the current GS300 sounds like a steal compared to a BMW 530i at $56K. That is, until you realize what you get for the money, starting with cloth interior and halogen lamp. 2004 Lexus GS with all the frills approaches $46K. Add $2K for AWD, and there you go! A GS300/AWD w/NAV would cost as much as GS430. To most buyers, V8 isn&#146;t a must have, and they seek the six banger.

    The current Lexus GS430 starts at CDN$ 69.5K in Canada (USD 48K) but besides 4.3/V8, do you get the stuff that RL comes with? AWD isn&#146;t an option, audio system upgrade and navigation (available?) would increase the price too. These are standard features in RL.

    Comparably loaded (premium audio, AWD, Navigation system), the new Lexus GS300 and Infiniti M35 would likely cost about the same. Ultimately, it is the rest of the characteristics of the car that will help a buyer decide. Even there, I suspect, the RL will ride better than M35 but not as softly as GS300.
  • briancambriancam Member Posts: 21
    The cursory mention of such competitor as BMW, Audi and Mercedes Benz was not intended as a comparison test, only an expression of amazement that the RL (or any Acura really) could hold its own against the traditionally sportier European brands - something that would have been inconceivable just four years ago.
  • nebraskaguynebraskaguy Member Posts: 341
    Since the list price for my 99 RL was about $44,000, with navi, a $48,000 list price for the 05 seems pretty reasonable. Considering inflation and all the extra goodies on the 05, especially.
  • carsharkcarshark Member Posts: 2
    True, but dealers used to sell 99-04 RL significantly below MSRP, sometimes as much as $5K off. It will be interesting to see what kind of street pricing we will see on the new RL...
  • jjacurajjacura Member Posts: 807
    Past experience in this market on pricing is all about supply and demand. My hunch is that the new RL sales will "take off" and you won't see discounts until the market slows.
  • shotgunshotgun Member Posts: 184
    "...My hunch is that the new RL sales will "take off" and you won't see discounts until the market slows..." Agreed! Based on the preliminary press, I believe demand will be "hot" - especially from previous RL owners (like myself) followed by others who will be unable to resist the price/performance/value factor offered by this new "superstar" automobile!
  • prophet2prophet2 Member Posts: 372
    A decade-and-a-half ago, one of the car mags ran a comparison between four personal coupes: Acura Legend LS, Mercedes Benz, BMW 6-series, and Lincoln. As I recall, the BMW tied the Acura, but only because the editors added a new category, CACHET, which the Acura and Lincoln fell short in.

    Regardless of how good the 2005 RL may prove to be, there will always be those who will criticize the lack of a V-8, "soul" (whatever that is ..... CACHET?), and other factors which may not be quantifiable. We even see comments here about the color offerings.

    And, no matter what the price is, especially in comparison with the other marquees, there will be MANY who will still regard it as TOO HIGH!

    The fact is that some people are just plain CHEAP and wouldn't recognize a great value even if it bit them in the rear. Others are just barking and will never buy an RL, or any of the other higher-priced competitors.
  • founderfounder Member Posts: 48
    That small increase in price is quite reasonable, and if this car stays true to form, then I'll strongly consider one.

    I'm torn between an SUV and the new M45 from infiniti. Honda has a strong reputation for quality and I know this new RL will be a great car, but the styling is to safe, and this car looks far far to much like an Accord, heck it doesn't even look all that much bigger then an Accord. This would be a great design for the next generation Accord, but for Acura's Flagship? I question Honda's safe design of this vehicle, especially when the new TL was so greatly done. If honda wants this puppy to revive the days they saw with the popular Legend then they're in for a rude awakining.I've no doubt that the new RL will chip away at the sales of its competitors, but in the end their is nothing head turning about the exterior design. Honda did a safe job, but I'm confident that the new RL won't be a massive hit, especially along the lines of the FX and G series from infiniti.
  • cericceric Member Posts: 1,092
    Sometime around March 2005, the 530iX will arrive with new 3.0 I6 generating 258hp (torque still around 220+). Take it for what it is worth. The AWD 6-cylinder luxury sport sedan market is getting a lot of attention...
  • legendmanlegendman Member Posts: 362
    >I'm torn between an SUV and the new M45 from infiniti.<

    If you are looking for a great driving, highly reliable and pleasurable SUV experience, may I recommend the Lexus RX 330. My parents own two RX 300s and they have been flawless to drive and maintain.

    I believe that Honda will be coming out with a new, hybrid SUV in the spring of 2005. I understand that this new Honda SUV will be smaller than the Acura MDX, probably closer in size to the RX330. Indeed, the profile photo I saw of the prototype SUV looked a lot like the Lexus RX 330.

    I share your styling reservations about the new 2005 RL and am also considering the 2006 M45. I am hoping that I will be able to preview it first hand at an upcoming car show this fall.
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    Yes, having seen the demo in person at the NY Auto Show, I think there is a lot of accord-ishness to this car, specially the coupe. But in person, the car is just more squatter and larger. All said and done, its diet cola with the aftertaste of accord... err... i mean...
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    Legendman, please prepare yourself for a fairly similar looking car in person, minus the difference in details like tail lights, front face, but overall profile, stance, shape & form of the M are very similar to the RL....

    this is just my impression from the NY Autoshow.

    ksso
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    that the price was $47,890... It's like pricing something at 9.99 to make it look so much smaller than 10.

    ksso
  • nebraskaguynebraskaguy Member Posts: 341
    I just spoke with my salesman. The "See and Drive" scheduled for yesterday is now supposed to happen Sept 16. Which probably means no demos until early October.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    "Based on the preliminary press, I believe demand will be "hot" - especially from previous RL owners (like myself)"

    I'm not so sure. I think a good many RL buyers bought one for different reasons than Acura is using to promote the new one. The new and old seem to be very different cars.

    Instead, I think Acura is trying to place the RL as an upgrade from the last TL-S.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Even if the new RL is perceived by some people as having an Accord flavor to it, that's been pretty much the case for most manufacturers that have both a mainstream and a luxury division.

    For example:

    - I've seen several comments that the M45's styling evokes much of the Altima, and I'd have to agree.
    - At least up until now, there's been much sharing of styling concepts between Toyota and Lexus.
    - The previous gen Passat and A6 were extremely similar, and I see that the new Passat for next year will have a variation of the dreaded "gaping maw" grille featured on the new A6.

    You have to wonder if Mercedes and BMW would be able to escape this syndrome if they had mainstream divisions (closely aligned ones, that is... not counting Chrysler).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Styling with lesser models within the family is unavoidable. Audi and VW share too many styling cues, regardless of how hard the company tries to differentiate them. Toyota Corolla/Lexus GS and Toyota Avalon/Lexus LS430 have their family genes showing up as well. The same is true for Nissan/Infiniti. $200K Maybach owners must have something to say about it sharing cues with a $20K A-Class.

    So, anybody arguing based on premise of styling similarities is being a little too narrow/conservative in approach.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    I thought styling similarities were supposed to encourage brand identity. Now that's a bad thing?

    FWIW, I don't see any "Accordishness" in the RL. It share too much with the TL and TSX. Those are the first vehicles that jump to my mind when I see the RL. And I think that's a good thing. Better than having a bunch of cars with nothing in common.

    Robertsmx - Good example with Audi. I have to measure the wheelbase on their models to tell the difference between the 4, 6, and 8. (That is changing a bit now.) And they do share an awful lot with VWs.
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    I find the Audi's wonderful cars but physically uninteresting, largely because it looks like they were all made together, just stretched different lengths.... the same was kinda true with the last generation BMW 3, 5, 7's... but atleast they were kings of the road with no equals.

    I have nothing for or against the accord hints in the RL. As I've said 5 million times by now, I think the RL looks stunning in darker colors and ridiculously BLAH in lighter colors. And from my personal observation and pictures I took at the NY Auto show, those who think they will laud the M over the RL are setting themselves up for disappointment, because as I said in an earlier post, their overall shape, profile & stance are remarkably similar.

    ksso
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Oh, I like the Audis, too. Sure, they copied the overall shape and design cues from car to car, but you have to give them credit for picking a great design to copy!
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    While I do not see many similarities between the Accord and the RL, I do not see anything inherently wrong with establishing a common design theme between models.

    If you do subscribe to the common design theme, I think it's generally considered appropriate to "imitate" the design of a "higher level" automobile. Accordingly, the RL design should filter down to the Accord, not the other way around. You would not expect the Audi A8 to be styled with Golf design queues.
  • proeproe Member Posts: 157
    I wonder how the handling of the new RL will be compared to the new M5?
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    If the M5 isn't significantly better, BMW better head back to the drawing board... fast.
  • proeproe Member Posts: 157
    The Acura TSX -- a version of the European Honda Accord, sold in the United States -- is one of the vehicles involved in a recall issued by Honda over the vehicle's lights. Honda says it will recall 158,187 cars sold in Japan, the United States and 39 other countries to fix the problem, which arises from tape used to seal the wiring leading to the vehicle's rear lights. About 40,060 Acura TSXs could be affected by the problem, which occurs when, after repeated closings and openings of the trunk, the tape and wires fail and the rear lights stop working. No accidents or injuries have been reported due to the problem, a spokeswoman told Reuters.

    What is going on with Acura?
  • legendmanlegendman Member Posts: 362
    >Honda has a strong reputation for quality and I know this new RL will be a great car, but the styling is to safe, and this car looks far far to much like an Accord, heck it doesn't even look all that much bigger then an Accord. This would be a great design for the next generation Accord, but for Acura's Flagship? I question Honda's safe design of this vehicle, especially when the new TL was so greatly done.<

    I wonder aloud if the wheelbase for the new 2005 RL is the same as for the current Accord. They did make the new RL shorter, right? Since prior RLs were not moneymakers for Acura, might they be trying to save some money and standardize on existing wheelbases?

    I am not up on the chassis and frame specs like some of you guys. If the the frame/chassis for the 2005 RL is new, might Honda use the same new frame in subsequent Accord sedans?
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Member Posts: 108
    I am coming back after a while and read through the last few days posting coming to the conclusion that as more many others I'll agree to disagree. So here I roll my opinions........

    I got the preliminary 2005 RL 'First Drive' from sources different that the Edmunds and CD (M... Tr..., to be exact). So at least I can tell you this much: all of the editors got the same positive impressions. I believe the one I read was very balanced, did not trigger any 'reading in between the lines' for example and just noted that it was better than 'three teutonic rivals' available at the Western Virginia site were all these first drive did apparently take place.

    Bottom line is that my wish got answered. This is a car you need to hop on and drive, SH-AWD cannot be described according to spec etc... Take it for a roll and it will tell you how and why it is going to be the standard bearer for sport luxury sedans...period.

    I know looks are important but we have not seen enough. I think several people pointed out at the different impression elicited by dark vs. light colors, the best pictures I have seen are posted in a japanese site for a dark blue RL that is simply breathtaking (too bad I cannot cut and paste).

    The styling arguments in so far are all valid it may have similarity to some Accord themes but I see more of the TSX/TL with the back being a departure from any of the ather vehicles but blending in (no surprise for me this is the new Acura styling!! I would expect by now after seeing the BMW take on the 5 and 7 or the Cadillac (etc.) production line series this should be a R.I.P.type of issue).

    The only very odd bit of info I got across instead was a reference to one of the editor (for a Consumer......magazine) stand on AWD. The guy thinks that developing these technologies is a way of feeding into irresponsible driving.....Could not understand why he could not see that as for stability control, brake assits, ABS etc, these technologyes have helped the automotive world to emerge from prehistory into modernity adding a ton of safety to our daily commute. I guessed he missed his true calling to a serene life in the closest Amish County.:)

    P.S. Please let mek now if anyone wants to check out the japanese site (hopefully someone that could also read japanese so he/she could tell us what is happening in the japanese automotive press)
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Member Posts: 252
    I see alot of Accord in the new RL, which is ok. The Accord is nice just not very stylistic. I like the Accord, I hope the RL is alot bigger. I think the bigger engine, tech features and the SH-AWD will be a nice enhancement. Acura has a nice lineup of vehicles, but it is a tweener brand, until they come up with the V8.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "I thought styling similarities were supposed to encourage brand identity. Now that's a bad thing?"

    I hope that wasn't how you interpreted my post, because that wasn't supposed to be my message.

    For one, I agree that I don't see the "Accordishness" in the RL, even as an Accord owner. That's not to say that those who see it are wrong, just that my viewpoint on that differs.

    For two, I agree that the brand identity is a good thing, and I feel that even Acuras that share common platforms with Hondas in general look sufficiently distinct from their Honda counterparts. Good examples of this are the MDX and the current TL.

    So far, it seems the the press reaction to the new RL, including its styling, has been pretty positive. That's a good sign, and it leads me to think that most people will consider the RL's styling to be a success. Sure, it has some harsh critics and they have every right to be as harsh as they wish to be, but that's the case with any car.
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    What's the big deal with that? i've a similar recall issue on my 2004 3-convertible...
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    >the best pictures I have seen are posted in a japanese site for a dark blue RL that is simply breathtaking (too bad I cannot cut and paste).<

    I agree, it is by far the one color in which the RL looks breathtaking. On the other hand, some RL pictures in a variation of silver/grey that are posted in all american first drives looks just simply UGH.

    Ok I am biased, my wife's 3 convertible is in mystic blue and i hated it in all other colors...

    I believe that blue picture was posted here by robertsmx or somebody a few posts ago....

    ksso
  • ksomanksoman Member Posts: 683
    http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/07/pf/autos/car_name_decoder/index.h- tm

    the comment on acura naming is short and funny...

    ksso
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Talon - Sorry. My post wasn't meant to be a reply to you specifically. I was adding to the general discussion regarding a family resemblance between the RL and Accord.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    No need to apologize... I just wanted to clarify my position. ;)
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Acura's two- and three-letter combinations mean absolutely nothing. They're just completely made-up combinations of letters.

    That is a very ignorant argument. They go at length to cover the explainable (and in some cases, the unexplainable) and could come up with this for Acura? Let me help them out…
    RSX: R &#150; Road; SX &#150; Sport
    TSX: T &#150; Touring; SX &#150; Sport
    CL: C &#150; Contemporary; L &#150; Luxury
    TL: T &#150; Touring; L &#150; Luxury
    RL: R &#150; Road; L &#150; Luxury
    NSX: N &#150; Neo; SX &#150; Sport

    So, there is a meaning to the letters, unlike the story they made up in this case.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    steveaccord
    I believe you&#146;re talking about these pictures…
    Honda Legend - Front
    Honda Legend &#150; Rear

    ivan_99
    Accordingly, the RL design should filter down to the Accord, not the other way around. You would not expect the Audi A8 to be styled with Golf design queues.

    There is a psychological advantage to doing things in the way you suggest, but in reality, it makes little difference. I guess, it would have made more sense for DCX to adopt frontal styling cues from Maybach into A-Class than the other way around. But then, the new S-Class does seem to utilize hand-me-down styling cues so it works both ways.

    Now, as far as the new RL is concerned, I&#146;m wondering which part resembles Accord. I&#146;ve been scratching my head for a while. I see evolution of styling with 1996 RL as the base, with more slopes, creases and curves. Check out the two pictures I posted above. It was 1998 Accord that had some resemblance to the 1996 RL (rear end).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I am not up on the chassis and frame specs like some of you guys. If the the frame/chassis for the 2005 RL is new, might Honda use the same new frame in subsequent Accord sedans?

    RL is based off Honda&#146;s Global Midsize Platform, which also forms the basis for TL, TSX and Accord. This does not mean that they are identical in all respect, and certainly not in terms of wheelbase. TSX and Accord Coupe have the shortest wheelbase (about 105.3 inch). Accord sedan is next up (107.9 inch) and TL is slightly longer at 108.1 inch. The RL has the longest wheelbase (110+ inch), which is about 4 inch shorter than the old RL primarily because of the way engine is being mounted now.

    Cars using this global midsize platform have the same suspension set up, however, with unequal-length double wishbone front and 5-link (&#147;Watt-Link&#148;) double wishbone rear.

    Unlike Accord, TSX and TL, the RL is using a different chassis frame structure for improved safety. Honda calls it &#147;ACE&#148; which is supposedly a step up from Honda&#146;s GCON set up. The new Odyssey is also using ACE design. BTW, Odyssey, Pilot and MDX are based off Honda&#146;s Global Light Truck Platform (even within the platform, they have their own differences, including the basic shape itself).

    Vehicles using this global light truck platform have the same suspension set up, however, with Macpherson struts front and 4-link double wishbone rear.

    ACE is one of those things that should eventually trickle down to other Hondas.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Member Posts: 108
    Yes, those were the ones I was speaking of.....Thank you for providing the links.
  • founderfounder Member Posts: 48
    You're right, the Dark Blue is breath taking, and looks awesome. I hope this color shows up as a choice. This color has been around for a while. My mom bought a 93 Legend coupe when I was kid in that Dark Blue and it looked great then, and it looks great today. The RL in other colors that i've seen, and as someone suggested the lighter colors look ughhh. The Dark blue color has made me lean a little more towards the RL, man I really like it.
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