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The trade in lowers the sales tax charged by the state. If the vehicle he is buying costs $20,000 and he is getting $14,000 for the trade, he pays sales tax on the $6,000 he is actually paying (in cash) to the dealer rather than the $20,000 for the cost of the new vehicle.
Taxes always change behavior.
They allowed it, and i got to see how accurate the report was.
This is the only problem I have had with my Silo in nearly 5 years of ownership. Otherwise it is a great van.
Dirkdaddy
On the driver error, I have noticed the brake and throttle are fairly close and on occassion I've felt the throttle pedal catch my foot when I'm braking, so that could happen. If she was in panic mode, maybe she wouldn't move her foot the whole way home.
I almost bought a '00 Intrepid but they all had flickering lights, but my '98 Olds Silo doens't have them.
Hope that helps.
Dd
Based on this we needed a vehicle in the USA while we have 3 boys in college (all of us are over 6'). I wanted side airbags, ABS, and reasonable size instead of economy only.
Found a 1999 Silo GLS with 114,000 miles and have not seen yet (only pix over internet). Fly to the USA to buy and drive to Pennsylvania.
The factor prompting me to buy this was price. After searching south Florida papers, AutoTrader, eBAY, Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book, etc., I agreed to pay $8600 total. Unit will need new tires, but I am assured all other mechanicals are fine, and a 3 day warranty for testing is provided.
Other than brakes, transmission, and water leaks at rearAnything else I should look for?
See if the windshield is cracked, the foglights work (mine were broken when I bought it), all interior bits are there and work. Drive at high speed and it should be stable and steady. On a suitable road take your hands from the wheel slightly and see if it exhibits pull. Some roads are crowned a lot and that may cause some pull. When slowing down do you feel brake pulsations?
Have a mechanic check the coolant system for holding pressure, air filter, oil quality & levels, battery condition, steering rack, suspension etc. This will give you a general idea of how it was maintained. The shocks or front suspension might require work with those Pennsylvania roads! They also can get a lot of snow so when on the rack have the mech note any rust.
I also recommend a good tire. My van has sears Michelin's on it when I got it, which are pricy but wear very well and really hold the road. BFG also makes a good tire. This makes a huge difference on every drive as well as safety.
Let us know how you do.
DD
Warranty may not be honoured for a "gray market" car (as you noted). You could buy an aftermarket warranty.
Speedo/odometer will be metric and you may have to sign a mileage disclosure upon resale about the "actual" number of miles, and possibly scare off buyers. This may not be an issue if you don't change out the speedo to miles, but most US drivers and future buyers would prefer miles to km's I'd guess.
Your local DMV may hassle you a bit about the emissions rules, but there's likely a label on the hood that shows it meets US EPA regs. Otherwise a letter can be obtained from the manufacturer.
You'll have to pay Canadian taxes, but they are refundable. But it may take a few weeks to get the refund, and you want to be sure you have your paperwork lined up.
You may have trouble buying one if a dealer is concerned that GM will find out and jerk the franchise or cut his allocations or something. Of course Olds is going by the wayside, so that should be a non-starter.
Your Canadian vehicle may have all sorts of weird options, like a heavy duty charging system, block heater, and heated seats. That would be awful ;-)
The Nissan guys did quite a bit of this before Nissan clamped down a couple of months ago. Anyone here tried it with a GM or other make?
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The van had 22,500 kilometers or about 13,200 miles.. After all fees were paid the cost was $16,500 US, plus New York State sales tax (8%).
The closest van I could find in the US with similar equipment was 2001 Olds with 24,000 miles on it for $19,600.
Things to know when purchasing a GM Vehicle in Canada....
GM warranty is a North American one, it is good at any GM Dealer, provided the Vehicle has been titled in Canada for at least 6 months. New vehicles, ie 2002, would not have GM Warranty.
My van had to paid for in Canadian funds. I shopped around for the best exchange rates. The difference was almost $600 from best to worst rates.
Normally Canadians are charged PST & GST, because the van was not going to by registered in Canada, I needed only to pay GST. This is refunded in US Dollars from Revenue Canada, it took 6 weeks to receive the check.
Had to pay $10 plate fee in order drive the van from Canada to the US. It was good for 10 days. I live 45 minutes from the dealer.
Insurance had to be set up before Canadian dealer would allow the van to leave the lot. This is no different than a New York state dealer.
Upon exiting Canada, had to stop at the Duty Free facility in order to validate GST Rebate form. They needed an original copy of the sales invoice showing how much GST was paid and had to see the van.
The van had to be cleared through US Customs. This required the sales invoice declaring the value of the van(This is what New York state used to set sales tax). Also a form from the manufacture stating this vehicle meets EPA emission requirements. GM charges $60 Canadian for
this letter which can be paid for via credit card and fax to you within 30 minutes (I made the dealer pay for this). There are no duties for this van.. You can check the US Customs website to determine which vehicles must pay duties. Also, there are several cross border importer companies (again listed on the US Customs website) who will charge you to complete the proper paperwork in order to bring a vehicle into the US. The rates I was quoted ranged from $250-$350.
I had the odometer changed to miles, cost $150, it took 30 minutes at a local company. It would have been $125 if I had used the company to import my vehicle.
The New York state DMV required a completed form from US Customs verifying that the vehicle meets US EPA requirements. US Customs completes the form and there is no charge for this. I registered the vehicle. I had ten days to get a NYS Inspection, which is normal. My title took nearly 6 weeks to get from NYS.
I have been to the local dealer once so far. The Service Engine light came and would not go off. It turned out to be a computer that detected a system that was 10% off or more. It was reset and no problems. The van ran fine even with the light on. I did have to show the dealer the invoice for the new instrument cluster stating what the kilometers converted to miles was. The van's vin number was in GM system showing the kilometers.
Sorry about the lenghty post, but it took a long time to figure out how to complete the transaction. I estimate that had close to 100 hours invested in researching which vehicle to purchase, searching for the van in Canada(Via the Web:)), and determining how to bring it into the US.
Was it worth it...Well I saved $3300 off the best deal I could do locally. Naturally my research time was FREE.
Wife now loves the Minivan, she cannot figure how anyone with children could do without it!
Only 2 issues remain... I have the light flicker of the dash & Headlights. I think there is a TSB about this. I changed the Oil on Saturday and noticed oil on the bottom of the engine near
the starter motor. Is this the mysterious bearing leak I have heard about?
Great post, Mmossler1 - thanks!
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I always check tires, wipers, etc, to see what care was given, and am impressed with this one. The only option missing was the LCD entertainment centre, plus the rear net by the liftgate was missing. Am impressed with the Olds Silo on the road. The air levelling makes a difference. The 4 captain's chairs + rear head sets should be nice travelling this summer to the Grand Canyon.
It isn't the Corvette my son wanted but should provide good transportation. I will add a trailer hitch (it has the towing package but no hitch)for a rear bike rack.
Thanks.
Thanks, proud owner of 2002 Silo Premiere
So I guess the other manufacturers will be joining the bandwagon if they aren't already on board.
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I'm posting this hoping someone can advise on it. Purchased 2002 Silhouette Premiere several weeks ago, and been generally happy with it. However, about a month after purchase, passenger side sliding power door became stuck in the closed position. After several tries with the remote key fob, it finally opened back up. Thought this was an isolated incident, but today it got stuck closed again, and I've yet to get it open. Has anyone else out there experienced this, and perhaps can offer a fix, or at least an explanation of what's going on? TIA
Anyway, good to hear you're enjoying your Texas van. The vehicles down here are in good shape compared to when I lived in Maryland and Illinois.
DD
ps. power door woes - I have the shop manual on the power doors and there are about 30 pages on dignosing problems with the electric doors. There are some interlocks and switches that all have to be working right. Your van is under warrenty, take it back to be fixed -
DD
Any yeah, not good for my fuel pump probably, but I often see the little low gas light come on, so more than one of those fills has been with the gauge reading empty.
Should be easy enough for someone to test by keeping track both ways.
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Sorry to be so technical :-)
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I have also compared the TC MPG to my manual method and came back with the computer giving consistantly .7 higher. If it was a "amount of fuel to fill" error, eventually if you did it constantly they would cancel themselves out, right? Overall its a neat feature.
Wife was near work and she called the motorpool guys she knows and they came with gas for her. I was hoping the towtruck idiots wouldn't take advantage of her perdicament.
I reminded her to use the fuel gauge, not the "range" - as that is an estimate! And I'm the one who usually is pushing the envelope on running out of fuel! We're tanking up a bit more conservatively now :~) - Steve, you may want to do so as well to avoid an avoidable screwup!
DD
I ran out of gas several times on my last van, but haven't done so (yet!) with the '99. So I guess I'm learning :-)
Lots of people fill up at half-empty and claim it's better for the fuel pump and keeps sediment from getting sucked up. I figure by running to 1/4th tank or lower, I'm racking up miles with less weight in the van and thereby saving gas with my slightly better mpg. With the savings I can afford that new fuel pump, LOL.
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Anyone have trouble after theirs was fixed? Just curious.
Scott
I need to do mine at 72k but have been putting it off, as I have other large projects I'm working on at home!
But tonight I noticed that the squeal didn't go away this time, replaced yesterday. Technician at dealership says he doesn't know what is causing the squeal.
Anyone have similar problems????????
Thanks for your help!
Blondy
Occassional use, I'd say its fine, but like there was a guy on the Buick RDVous list who was going to pull 3000lb trailer regularly and I told him he'd be unhappy and to get a trailblazer or something built a little heavier with a more powerful motor.
DD
Additionally, twice this past week the van has decided to lock it self. One time with the keys inside. I had closed the door and walked eight feet away and heard the central locks lock. The lights did not blink. Any one else having this problem?
Regarding the auto locking, if you use the last door closed feature (or something like that in the manual) the doors will automatically lock a few seconds after you close the last open door. But, you have to press the lock button to activate it. After you press the button you will hear three chimes and then the doors will lock a few seconds after you close the last door. Check your manual for more details. If they lock by themselves without pressing the button, I suspect a bad switch or short in the wiring.
I can only lock or unlock it with the key lock on the liftgate itself. If I lock the van with either the remote or the door switch, all other doors will "clunk" locked, but I can open the liftgate, which of course sets off the alarm, much to the amusement of the neighbors...
Looks like a trip to a surviving olds dealer is in order...
Any ideas?
Mikey
Check the RPM's when its jerking and see what that's doing as a clue.
DD