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that with exception of leather, etc...the interior of every Jetta is the same...
The CupHolders are below the AshTray and you have to push where the
little Blind persons dots are, and the cupholder tray will come out...Don't any
of you have a Sales Person that showed you this stuff????
If not call me : 831.521.5113
http://members-http-2.rwc1.sfba.home.net/jimdeford/photos/dscf0030.jpg shows the holders in the open position. Sorry about the bad lighting. I'll try and lighten it up a bit in photoshop.
Hope that helps.
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
be well served posting it as an entirely new topic...Your edit is so good
and the pix are great...I am sure that a large number of the Jetta posters
do not now that it is there, and it would also link them to the www.jettaownersclub.org
So gang, you can virtually visit the Puebla plant where your car was made, and read VWGuild's impressions of what he saw when he visited there. It's well worth a visit and not too long to read.
One thing I will add a little later today is the ability to click on the photos for a full size version. See it at: http://www.geocities.com/jettaownersclub/mexico.html.
I live in St. Louis and we have about 5 or 6 dealerships here. One dealership e-mailed me that there were no 1.8T's in the states that were not Wolfsburgs. I wrote him back telling him I was sorry to hear that since there is one that lives in my parking lot and another at my gym every morning. Both silver to boot.
The guy at a second dealership spoke w/ me and told me that automatic 1.8Ts were almost impossible to find. He cited Wolfsburg as the reason. Which is a damn shame since I think the featureset on the WE is disappointingly low. I'm not interested in it. The colors of the WE are also not great IMHO.
I asked this second guy if it would be possible to order one with what I want. I'd be willing to agree to buy and wait. He told me that no VW dealer is capable of calling up VW and saying "We want a car with X, Y and Z." IS THIS TRUE?? They have to choose from the configs the factory is spitting out is basically what he was saying.
He said 1.8T automatics are not being rolled out these days and so they're not available. He offered to do an "extended search" at other dealerships in the country. But of course it will cost me even more for them to have it brought to StL. How much more depends on how far.
Of the four dealerships that have contacted me so far we haven't really even begun to discuss price because we're still fighting over availablity!
Obmot you said there were a lot of Automatic 1.8Ts in Houston? Could you give me your zip so I could search on the VW site for your dealers and contact some of them myself?
What has been everyone else's experience with 1.8T availability? Is it really true dealers can't order from the factory exactly what you want??? It really seems ridiculous that you can configure things any way you like on VW's website if you can't really have it that way.
Any comments are most welome!
Need help on:
1. How's the reliability of WE? I really want my first car to keep up with me for next 4-5 years. Please advise.
2. offered $20,540 (with tax etc around $22000) for black/black (with sunroof, monsoon, and cold pankage+6 CD changer) said can not go lower than that because it was the best color selection for WE... what do you think of this deal?
3. Don't know much about past wolfsburg edition, how's WE history? Salesman told me WE only comes out every 4 years, and there's only 15,000 limited for 2001 WE produced and they won't be getting any more shipment in the future (no 2002 WE), is anybody can confirm this case??
4. This big decision makes me kinda picky, what do you think WE compares to some new 2001-2002 line-up such as: the Acura RS-X, Nissan SE-R, Mitsubishi Lancer, new Honda CRV or Toyota Matrix... (mostly with consideration of 6 speed Manual option and bigger HP) should I wait???? Please advise.
I really appreciate your help, please freely comment on my questions or email me at jchayadi@hotmail.com for some helpful informations. Have a wonderful day!
Sincerely,
Jemmy
Anyway my ZIP is 77006 (Houston TX) and the two dealers Ive been to are Momentum VW and Archer VW. There is a dealer in San Antonio with a huge selection (Ancira VW) that has their inventory online. If you tell me exactly the jetta/color/options you want - I will check the lots here myself since I live so close. I mean heck you could buy an $89 Southwest ticket to Houston and drive the darn thing back to St. Louis yourself it is an easy one-day drive!
But I do disagree with one thing, I think the Galactic Blue WE with black interior is very sharp!
Try searching TX walkabout - you might find what you want just one $89 plane ticket away!
OBMOT
Thanks very much for your generous offer! Here is the exact config I am looking at:
Silver Arrow 1.8T GLS Automatic Transmission w/
Luxury Package PEA
Leather Package [Black] PLA
In-Dash CD SCD
If you could tell me what you find I'd be VERY grateful. I have no problem at all jumping on a plane and coming down there. SouthWest airlines WAS the first thing that came to mind actually.
BTW I do like Baltic Blue and Bright Green but they are darker colors and VERY hard to keep clean. Silver is the only nice light colored option.
BALTICJETTA18T
Likewise for Chicago. SouthWest flies there too. Cheap! I am only too willing to look in the Cha-Town area do you have a zip I could use? And yes it is closer to St. Louis (4.5 hours). It will definitely be to my benefit to check more than one option out. I don't want to be held over a barrell w/ price because a dealer knows of the lengths I'm going to to get a hold of this car.
All my research indicates that fair price for this car as I've configured it is $21,660 and I'm trying to stick VERY close to that.
BTW does anyone have any idea if the multi-function steering wheel works w/ anything other than the VW installed CD Player/Changer? One dealer here quoted me $400 for the in-dash CD. Highway robbery WITH assault and battery.
Thanks very much folks. I'll keep checking in here for responses.
I have had my White WE for about a month now and couldn't be happier. I paid 21,200 with roof, in dash cd, cold weather package. If anyone would like more information about WE I'd be happy to chat.
ALL Jetta's are made in Mexico. Period.
The engine and (5-speed) tranny are assembled as a unit in Germany, along with most of the parts, but the cars are assembled in Mexico. This is all posted (by law) on the window sticker, so don't believe the dealer, just look at the car. There are also manufacturer stickers on the inside driver's door that have this info.
The place where Wolfsburgs come from: Every few years, when VW is revamping the model line, they get rid of the old stuff in inventory by dropping it into a 'special' model. Back when the Golf was the top-selling car, you would see Golf WE. These cars were basically standard Golfs with all the GTI trim.
The Jetta WE is basically the same sort of deal. They are clearing out all the extra turbos and other things to make room for the new stuff. This is part of the reason for the limited numbers; they are clearing out the parts lockers, and have limited supply. Plus, 20,000 units is actually a lot of cars.
Last time they had a Wolfsburg was 1998, just before the A4 body style came out. It looks like a good deal: You get a lot of stuff for (relatively) cheap money. Look closely, and you'll see that a lot of the upgrades are (once again) GTI gear. Leather wheel, leather stick, turbo engine...
(BTW, this is the same engine that has been in the Audi A4 since 1994. It's well-tested and lasts forever. And it's built on the same line.)
Price: I am picking up my 2001 Red Jetta WE with sunroof, Monsoon, Cold Weather package (useless!). black interior and 6-CD changer this week. I am paying $20490 plus tax and title. This includes the changer. Sticker is 21,640 plus $495 for the CD changer(rape!) = 22,135. This is the Boston, MA area. You should be able to find these cars for about $100 over invoice, although I've seen ads in the paper allegedly hawking them for less.
Reliability: Funny thing about VW's: People either love them or hate them. I don't get it. This will be my 4th VW. My wife drives a 2000 New Beetle(silver, of course). We love these cars and have had no problems with them. Just so you don't think "wow! 4 VW's! They must break down a lot" The first was a '72 camper with over 250,000 miles on it, the second was a 1990 Golf with 150,000 miles on it. They both ran great when I sold them; no rust, no rot, and everything worked.
My third VW, a Red 2000 Golf GLS, died a horrible death 3 weeks ago when I got sandwiched between a Jeep and an Olds. The Jeep in front of me stopped, I stopped, the Olds behind me hammered me going 60. The car drove great, ran great, and not a single item on the car gave me problems in the year that I owned it. The only good thing to come out of the weeks of Hell(Hell, by the way, is dealing with an insurance company, so Sartre was partly correct), is that I now get to drive a new VW with the turbo engine.
One personal note: I prefer the Golf. It has a certain quirky personality that appeals to me. Plus, you can fit a refrigerator in the hatch (only a slight exagerration.) But for the money, the WE comes with far too many cool features to turn away. Plus, it is impossible to find a turbo Golf GLS with the sport suspension (I like 4 doors).
I am totally psyched about the Wolfsburg Edition. I know from experience that VW's are well built cars that last. Add the great engine, awesome handling, and kicking Monsoon stereo, and you are truly experiencing Farhvergnugen.
My apologies for my utter lack of brevity.
I'm not clairvoyant, but historically(and this has been verified by VW sales people, for whatever that's worth) the Wolfsburg only comes out when VW is making big feature package changes. Check out vwvortex.com and other such sites for more info.
8,100 MILES AND COUNTING~!
Called up crutchfield to get a Panasonic 8 disc(DP-88) interface to my 2001 Jetta Non-Monsoon..
The guy said the P.I.E. VW/PC-PAN8 for 8 Disc WON'T work with the changer.. is he right, or should I order anyway?
P.S. Anyone have any Canadian sources for the cable?
Hope that helps.
-Jim
http://www.auto.com/autonews/cwirh17_20000517.htm
The VR6 on the otherhand, since its introduction, is pretty well known for being a poorly made engine. Additionally the extra weight of the VR6 adversely impacts handling on a fun little car.
BTW, what other manfacturer do you know of with over a 100k warranty on the engine? Not Honda or Toyota or anything American. In fact Honda's warranty is rather skimpy at 3/36k.
The sound system is simply astonishing.
Performance and Handling: Wow!
Look and feel: Excellent!
Problems: None. No funny sounds, smells, or any of the other things you see on the gripe boards.
This is after driving a 2000 Golf GLS for a year, and being extremely satisfied with it.
I love the 1.8T's acceleration, which, while not mind-blowing, will certainly put a smile on your face.
The handling is typical of VW, and then some. Even tighter and smoother than standard, in corners, the Wolf holds the road despite your best efforts to make the tires lose traction.
This car may cause me to reconsider the Jetta's place in the VW food chain, as I have always thought the Golf to be the highest form of driving fun.
P.S. Those of you who can't find your rear cupholders:
Don't be insulted by the condescension of those above. Mine doesn't have one either, although I couldn't care less. And, yes, I looked in the right location (same place as on my golf, and my wife's Beetle, and *some* other Jettas). It just isn't there.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to be going. There's simply no reason for me to write about this stuff when I should be driving.
I'm graduating from undergrad in a few weeks and will be treating myself to a new car in June - the question is - does anyone know of or has anyone gone through the process of the Volkswagen Certified Pre-Owned program? I am thinking of getting a later 3rd Gen. Jetta (97-98) using this program but would like to know if it's a good idea OR if I should just get a brand new Jetta. Although some don't like the new design of the Jetta (saying it's too conservative, etc) I really like it and would prefer being able to get a 99+ Jetta. Would it just be wiser to get a brand new one rather than a C.P.O? Also, does anyone know the current finance rate through VW Credit? My buddy just got a 2001 Ford Mustang with 2.9% and I must be honest that that is really tempting, but I would prefer German engineering. Anyway, if anyone could help or share some insight - that would be great. Thanks.
Matt
"...the Panasonic CX-DP88 changer is not compatible with your factory head unit. In fact, according to our database, the only changer that will work with the factory radio in the 2001 Jetta is the 6-disc CX-DP610. You'll find this changer on our web site at ..."
Hm. That totally doesn't sound right at all. (Of course the DP610 costs more thant he DP88...hmmmm) But I think I'll follow Jim's site and order the cable anyway.
"...the Panasonic CX-DP88 changer is not compatible with your factory head unit. In fact, according to our database, the only changer that will work with the factory radio in the 2001 Jetta is the 6-disc CX-DP610. You'll find this changer on our web site at ..."
Hm. That totally doesn't sound right at all. (Of course the DP610 costs more thant he DP88...hmmmm) But I think I'll follow Jim's site and order the cable anyway.
Let me know how that works for you. Please email me at: NWVW
Thanks!
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
Plus there is the chipping factor of the Turbo and the renowned reliability of the 1.8T v. the VR6's infamous issues. To each his own. But the handling characteristics are pretty much undeniable as basic laws of physics demand that a car with a heavier nose will suffer more in cornering/handling.
1) I know that this is a Jetta board but I was wondering what differences, other than body style and space of course, there are between the Golf GTI GLS 1.8T and the Jetta GLS 1.8T. Particularly in worthwhile option/std equipment/quality/resale/insurance/performance.
2) I noted that a large number of Jett'ites here opted for the manual trans and under other circumstances I will go the same way. What are your thoughts/impressions/feelings of the auto trans in the Golf/Jetta. Do they suit the characteristics of the 1.8T for everyday driving conditions?
3)WRT extended warranties...what are the different terms available (i.e. yrs/mileage). Do we have to buy the warranty upon delivery, or can we opt for it down the road...will there be an extra charge if we do it later? Is the warranty refundable...I mean if we trade-up/sell early do we get some % of money spent back?
4) I realize after going through the boards, that there will be slim pickings wrt to the VW choices I want (i.e. GTI GLS, Jetta GLS with 1.8T and auto and GLS VR6 auto w/o dead cows) so I will probably have to wait for new MY as WEs are not an option due to n/a of auto trans...How soon can we order/purchase the MY2002 Golfs/Jettas? Is ordering the way to go? How is the ordering process i.e. do dealers get allocations and give out prodn' numbers/VINs upon order? What is the typical wait time? I am also ordering a 3 series this fall which takes 4-8 weeks and wonder if ordering process/wait time be similar...the waiting is usually the killer :-)
5) I might get tempted to go with a 2001 GLX auto, but are the MY2002 changes worth it...will the tip and new Euro VR6 be available some time this year...what about the 4-motion...
Sorry for the many questions, but the vw.com site IMO is pretty but not too informative...
Thank you
I want to make a few of observations in response to the concerns regarding VW's.
First, The Jetta is the most popular European car in America. Call it a baby Beemer, or a yuppie-mobile, but whatever you call it, we Americans buy more than 150,000 per year. For perspective, we only buy around 20,000 Golfs. Passats and Beetles are below Jetta, although they are also great cars.
That said, statistically, more units means more problems.
Second, people who aren't having any trouble with their Jettas don't go to pages titled "Jetta problems" or myvwlemon.com and such. So when you go to these sites, you are overwhelmed with negative information about the cars.
Third, and related to the last item, is my own experience. I went to the Jetta problems page, and to myvwlemon.com, and the information is daunting indeed. I can understand why you would be hesitant to buy a car after reading about some of the terrible experiences people have. Some of the problems are, I'm sure, legitimate. And some are probably due to neglect, abuse, etc. You are only getting one side of the story.
The Jetta, Golf, and New Beetle are 60% the same vehicle. Engine gear is the same, chassis are all A4's, much of the interior, and so on. The 2000 Golf I just lost was identical in almost every way to my new 2001 Jetta when sitting in the driver's seat. Every button, knob, and so on, except for the Wolfsburg leather stuff is the same. So if the Jettas are such bad cars, then the Beetles and the Golfs should have the same problems that the Jetta does. But you don't hear about them. I suspect it is because of the market penetration of the Jetta, compared to the other VW's.
Finally, as I've ranted about before, look around. You will see VW's with 300,000+ miles on them driving down the street daily. The cars, if properly maintained, will outlast almost anything that the US or Japan produces. And you'll find that people who drive VW's are "VW people". Like me. I'm on my fourth VW. I may never drive a non-VW again. I think you'll find that most VW drivers feel the same.
So, if you like the car, buy it. It will last. It will run for a long time, reliably. And, every once in a while, it will require maintenance.
As always, my humble apologies for my utter lack of brevity.
BTW, the reliablity rankings are done usually on number of problems per 100 or 1000 cars. Thus, the total number sold and produced is not relevant. It's the number of problems per 100 or 1000 vehicles whcih is very relevant.