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Volkswagen Jetta 2005 and earlier

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  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    I definitely do not think it is a good idea to try to get someone to try a Jetta. The fact that someone would be questioning it means that, by definition, they are not VW drivers. They need Hondas and Toyotas first, then when they see that they have problems too, then and only then, should they join the VW club. I know - I learned that the hard way too. So have others. If you like the VW, and your heart and soul likes the VW, but your brain questions it, you have to go with your brain. Then, just trade the Honda or Toyota or Chevy in when it rattles or leaves you stranded, and join the dark side with us!! :) One person NOT buying a Jetta now doesn't hurt anything - they still can't make enough Jettas to satisfy the needs of the buyers. I have found that many people that shy away from VW's, no matter how many horror stories they have heard, or bogus advice they get, they eventually come to VW to "live a little"....;)

    On another note - can we step back and think about something? Four, maybe five people in this forum complain about rattles, that are fixable. Does that make the factory that built the car bad? Seriously? Blows my mind to hear such blatant generalizations sometimes. I mean I realize that some people are really consumed by the rattles, but you gotta know that their are hundreds of thousands of other Jettas built there, that don't have problems. Keep it in perspective is I guess what I mean.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    Yep, I have smelled a smell before after driving hard. But then again, all my cars have had that...."mechanical" smell sometimes. Just stray some "Right Guard" on the engine when it gets stinky I guess :)

    Seriously, if there was a problem, you would know it. Engine lights galore would be lighting up. As we all know, VW's engine lights WORK VERY WELL :)
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    I am already on the DARK SIDE...I own a Chevy and I am having a blast!!! LOL.

    The Jetta wagon is another nice proposition.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    ugh. that is a whole different topic. i think i see a lot of them in the forum "what is the worst car you have ever owned?" ;) joking there.

    jetta wagon is nice. rather have the C320 SportWagon though :)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I guess you can be the perfect example of someone who came to the "dark side" of VW and now like it. Before, you were complaining about them, but now you even talked like you would buy one. :) That's definitely funny.

    I was with you back in 2001, like I said. But I broke down and bought a 2002 Jetta because I wanted the car badly. So I just leaped and did it.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Well guys I am married so, even though we don't have kids yet, (But soon), practicality and safety comes at the top of my car shipping list. However this doesn't mean my car's can't still be fun, exhibit good performance handling etc.

    The Jetta wagon is a very good compromise in this sense. The practicality of the wagon design and the fun factor of a sporty sedan. I am also considering a BMW 325i Sportwagon as I would like to get into the RWD bandwagon. I am in South Florida and therefore traction issues due to snow, etc are not an issue here.

    If I can't get a good deal on the Bimmer I might consider the Jetta 1.8T Wagon. Of course, the Impala LS is a keeper :).
  • First of all there are more than enough Jettas to meet demand. You pay near invoice for one and VW has outstanding financing available to sell the cars.

    Secondly, a check engine light is generally related to emissions. Your engine may malfunction mechanically in sundry ways and no light will come on to inform you of impending disaster. To rely on a dashboard light is asking for trouble in the long run.

    Vocus' best bet is to contact his service department and ask them about his odorous engine. They may not be truthful but at least he's made the inquiry with supposedly knowledgeable people.
  • I'm sure we will still drive one first. It will be April or May before we buy anyway. But, I will be looking for the things mentioned here. It should be said, though, that I am NOT anti-VW. Like I said the first time, my wife has had two different Jettas before and we are very much in favor of VW. It's just that it seems like there are too many people complaining about their new Jettas around here. On the Elantra thread, 4 or 5 people can go on and on about how great their cars are and they are told they don't count because they are only 4 or 5 people--the rest of them are junk. On this thread, 4 or 5 people go on and on about problems and they don't count either because everyone else's are fine. Kind of funny to me. Also, I am not a "Honda" person--the Civic just wins all the awards and sells in numbers about three times greater than the Jetta--so I figure they must be pretty good cars. And that's what we are looking for--a pretty good car. Please keep updating your experiences as I would love to see how ownership is going for the next couple of months. Thanks.
  • One other thing. You may not be able to help me here as everyone on this thread seems to drive the 1.8T, but here goes. The invoice on the GLS 2.0 5M is about $16,862. TMV runs about $18,012. I had a dealer quote me over the internet $17,645. It seems to me I saw another dealer's ad about a week or so ago with the GLS from $16,995. Looking at the invoice, it must be like the one I inquired about. I told the salesman I was looking for more along the lines of 17 even. He has not responded back yet. What do you guys think? Thanks again.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    You are right. If all you want is a "pretty good car" - then the Civic is perfect for your family. Nothing WRONG with the Civics. Just nothing really RIGHT with them either. I had a 2001 EX that I couldn't wait to get rid of. It did perform well in a 30-35mph front end collision.

    The big difference between the Civic and Jetta is the "feel"....and standard feature content. The Jetta does have it's "cons".....but it also has more than enough "pros". The Civics just don't have anything. For a family though, the Civic might be just what you need.

    Good luck.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Since you are inclined to get the 2.0L engined car (Which by the way has lots of low end torque, exactly at the 2,600 RPM mark more so than the Civic engine), have you looked into the VW Golf GL/GLS 5-door hatchback?

    They are manufactured in Brazil and both are very nice, practical cars. They are Jettas with a better trunk.

    I haggled the price down on my sister's brand new 2002 Golf GL 5-door hatchback, equipped with the 2.0L engine, automatic, power locks, alarm, remote keyless entry, premium 8-speaker stereo cassette, ABS, Tilt/Telescopic steering wheel, Manual mirrors and crank windows for $16K even. We got it for almost $200 below invoice. It was an easy deal, it was the only new GL 5-door left in the lot!.

    The Golf GLS 5-door adds Power windows, power mirrors and cruise control and CD Player over the GL model. The GLS Luxury package in the Golf adds 15" Alloy wheels and moonroof.

    Leather is not available in the Golf. Only 2 grades of cloth interior.

    If you don't mind owning a hatchback and can live without leather, I highly recommend for you to take a good look at the VW Golf 5-door hatchback. You can save some $$$ over the more popular Jetta sedan.

    The Golf is more unique and therefore I like it better over the similar Jetta sedan which is a Golf with a separate trunk.

    Good luck.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The standard cloth in the Golf/Jetta GL models is better than the "Plusher" cloth in the GLS versions of both cars. Why? because the *nicer* GLS cloth tends to catch a lot of lint and looks like crap during regular use. I saw several new GLS Golf/Jetta with lint in their cloth seats. The standard GL cloth doesn't have this problem.

    If getting a GLS with cloth, then it would be a good idea to get a new set of seat covers.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    VW used to sell the Golf GLS 1.8T 5-door until last year. It is no longer available. If you want the 1.8T in the Golf you have to get the GTI 3-door model.

    Bad move VW.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I was all ready to get a Golf 1.8T, but they stopped making them for 2002. That sucks! The dealer where I got my Jetta had a used Golf with 11K on it and the 1.8T, but I wanted the better new car warranty, so I got the 2002.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    ...what does that tell you? that the 5 door Golf Turbos did not sell. No market for them. The Golf is obviously not a better value, or better in any way, than a Jetta. If that were the case, the Gold would be VW's best seller, not the Jetta. They are leaving the hot-hatches to Hyundai and this new funky Civic Si I guess.

    How can a trunk be so bad anyway? You have an Impala. The farthest thing from a hatchback on the market today!

    I agree - Golfs are nice. But then again, I like all VW's :)
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The Golf's trunk is 18cuft in size. My Impala's trunk is 18 cuFt. The Jetta's trunk is what? may be 11 to 12cu ft?

    Sorry but the Golf is more practical.

    Americans have a general dislike of Hatchbacks since they often associate them with poor people's cars. However, hatchbacks are coming back due to the success in part of the Golf, Focus and other players in the field.

    Americans often favor sedans as they seem more luxurious and have a separate trunk, but they are also more impractical in comparison to a Hatchback or wagon.

    Ever been to Europe Justin?

    Hatchbacks rule over there and for a good reason. Go to Paris, London or Milan...the most popular hatchback is the VW Golf. The VW Bora (Jetta) are very few and far in between. Europeans are not completely sold to the idea of small sized sedans when hatchbacks often offer more cargo room and practicality.

    the Jetta/Bora is simply a Golf spin-off. Is the Golf with a separate trunk. The Golf is more unique here, hence I prefer it over the more mundane looks of the Jetta sedan.

    Trust me, the Europeans are MASTERS at making hatchbacks.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The VW Golf 1.8T 5-door did not sell well because VW marketed it poorly in North America. Given the availability of the Jetta 1.8T sedan, the Golf 5 door 1.8T was obscured by the Jetta and VW didn't do anything about it.

    they figured that the 1.8T would made better sense on the 3 door GTI, a dumb move in my opinion.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Actually, the Golf came first then the Jetta way back when they were first introduced. The Rabbit turned into the Golf, which spawned the Jetta.

    And the Jetta's trunk is like 15 cu. ft. I think. I never have had a problem with it. I often thought about all the crap I could put in a hatchback though.. :)
  • He's chipped it, dropped it, and slammed 17s on that bugger. Fun, fast, great little car. We were t-boned at an intersection in that car. A truck hit us doing about 40. Any damage to us? Nope. The Golf platform (same as the Jetta's) is well engineered for crash worthiness and I can attest to the high marks it gets for safety.

    One reason I dislike hatchbacks/SUVs, etc, you can't put valuables out of sight. Sure many have those cheesey vinyl/leather covers but I'm not fond of those things when compared to a good old trunk.
  • I am impressed that a car at this price point (not necessarily the $25,000+ models) have standard 4 wheel anti-lock disc brakes and side and head curtin air bags. Even a $15,000 Golf GL has them. That is amazing.
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