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Volkswagen Jetta 2005 and earlier

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  • ive seen some leathers without sunroof..and many sunroofs with cloth...
  • th83th83 Posts: 164
    What the hell is that? What engine will it come with and what features will it have? Just out of curiousity.
  • The Jetta GLI is a trim level VW is bringing back from many years ago. First off, it has a new 24v 200-hp engine. It has all the sport features: 6-speed manual tranny, 3-spoke steering wheel, 17" wheels, sport suspension. To keep the cost down, it doesn't have all the luxuries of the GLX. But, for people who want some of the luxuries, there are options: sunroof & Monsoon stereo package, leather package, and cold weather package which has heated seats. The colors are limited as well: black, reflex silver, galactic blue & tornado red. Base price is: $22,950.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    Glad I could help "break it down for you." :) Which model of Jetta do you drive now? What engine does it have? How much oil is your Jetta using? Where are your rattles and creaks coming from in your Jetta? Just curious -
  • nori10nori10 Posts: 24
    I have a VR6 and on cold days?! when I start my engine, my muffler shakes and vibrates for 10-20second like its choking.. and the exhaust looks as if though its gonna fall off any moment, but then it goes aways. Is this normal with a VR6? is it the cold cold weather? can someone help me out here? Thanks!
  • xudxud Posts: 32
    I have owned my 2002 VW Jetta GLS 1.8 T for almost 6 months. I had also owned
    a 1989 VW Jetta GL from 1993 to 2000. Both are
    5 speed manual. I would
    like to make some comparisons betwen the two
    models. I hope VW will read this!

    While the new model is better in certain areas (e.g. safty, power, apperance) than the
    old model that I owned, to my disappointment
    in several important areas the new model is worse than the old one. I hope VW could address the
    problems and improve them in the future
    models. Here are the details:
    1) Suspension: the suspension on the new model
    is too soft and caused too much body roll.
    The car wavers like crazy on bumpy and uneven road!
    It makes me very nervous and uncomfortable!
    But my 89 Jetta's suspension was perfect, no
    body roll, I drove it with a feel of
    control and confidence. Why VW change a good suspension in a 89 model to a bad suspension in 02 model???

    2) Rattles - The 2002 model has several annoying rattles on the doors since new. My 89 model had none for the 7 years I owned
    from 1993 to 2000. Why VW
    cannot solve a rattle problem in the new
    model which was not an issue in the old model???

    3) Manual Shift - It's more difficult to
    use the 5 speed manual shift in the 02 model
    than the 89 model. In the new model that
    shift is not smooth, it seems that there is something blocking the path. Occasionally it
    refuses to get into the 1st gear. The old
    model shifts perfectly. Why VW no longer makes good manual shift?

    4) Steering wheel: The 02 model has less
    precision feel and is less responsive than the
    89 model.

    5) Interior and Trunk space: Although the
    new model is much heavier than the old model,
    it's less spacious in interior and trunk
    space. Many people complain lack of leg room
    in the rear seat. In my opinion it would be
    great if VW can increase the length of
    Jetta by 4 inches - 2 inches for the rear leg
    room and 2 inches for the trunk. With the
    increase the length I believe the Jetta will
    appeal to more potential customers who do
    not buy the current model due to its lack
    of space.

    Overall, i think the performance and space of my old 89 Jetta was better than my current 02 Jetta. I regret that VW did not improve on these areas but make it worse!

    I am not saying that the 02
    Jetta is a bad car, it's still a good car compared
    with other Japanese and domestic cars in the
    price range. And I still prefer Jetta over other
    makes. But it could have been better!
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I don't need to drive a Jetta to know that Honda, Toyota and Mazda don't have problems with "seized motors, transmissions falling out just after the 36k mile mark, airbag problems" and VWs don't. You were saying that Jetta's have little problems like door creaks and oil consumption and Mazdas, Hondas, and Toyotas have transmissions falling out after warranty. How ridiculous!

    Which model Honda, Toyota, or Mazda do you drive? How many transmissions have fallen out? How many airbags have you replaced? How many new engines have been installed due to engine seizure? Just curious....
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Justin, will be gone for a week.

    -Larry
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Throwing mud already this early in the morning? I wish some people would get just a little more mature (not saying any names at all), and get over it.

    On another note, I called Goodyear about taking my VW to them for its 10K service. (The dealer charges $65 for this, and I don't think it's worth it personally.) Goodyear said the oil filter for my car will cost $27! I almost sat right down on the floor when he told me that. I can not believe it! $27 for an oil filter? UGH! This car will be going before the warranty runs. I can just imagine how much other parts will cost...
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I drove my car yesterday with one of the managers or something (he had on a tie and a white shirt, so he was someone kinda important in the service dept.). We drove it for 7 miles, and over rough roads too. He said he didn't hear anything rattling in my car. I heard the dash by the left roof pillar a couple times, and also so have at least 3 other people that I know (including my dad, who was with me last night when I went there). The guy said that typically, people cause themselves more problems trying to investigate these rattles, and they mostly go away when the parts "seat" themselves, or something dumb like that. I told him that I didn't realize my $25K car would rattle until it seated, and that was the dumbest thing I ever did hear. And a poor excuse for VW's poor workmanship. He was mad, but I didn't care. I also told him I wanted someone else to drive the car, because he didn't hear it. He said that was fine, but no one was available last night (I will have to go back). Then he sat there and told my dad he didn't hear the car, and my dad asked him if he was hard of hearing (I almost lost it right there).

    So of course, no resolve AGAIN. This is getting sickening. The 1.8T is alot of fun to drive, but I will be unloading it as soon as I can and getting something else that doesn't need 20K for its dashboard parts to seat. That is the dumbest thing I ever heard too, and (like I said before) a poor excuse for poor workmanship.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Vocus, going back to the Protege?

    If you like VW so much, get a Golf. My sister's Golf is quiet, tight and rattle free. I don't see this rattle complaints on the Golf boards as much as in the Jetta boards. I think the Mexican "Engineering and Manufacturing" is catching up with them.

    If buying a VW, avoid the Mexican made models at all costs. Stick with the German or Brazilian made models.

    Parts need to seat? Yeah right! Classic service balooney. My Impala LS at almost 12K miles does not rattle, creak or squeak...tight and quiet the way any new car should be.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    HUH! An OEM oil filter for 1.8T is $6.25 and a MANN oil filter is $5.89. You should sell your Jetta ASAP before the special $3.00/gallon VW gas and $9.00/qt VW special oil bankrupt you.
    VW parts are more expensive than Chevy parts, but did you check anyplace else besides Goodyear?
    An oil filter at autoparts store such as AutoZone is a whopping $2.86.
  • Your posts read more and more like mine. I'm starting to ignore my rattles. too busy with other things right now. :(
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    please keep the car! for heaven sakes, nobody wants to see you spend $30k on something with a sticker of $20k.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Ha, ha, funny. I am not going to sell the car because of the oil filter price. I was just shocked, that's all. I can get them from one of the dealers here in Md. (with coupon) for $5.45 each. I was just shocked when they told me it cost so much for an oil filter.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I am going to keep this car at least until it's paid off. I am tired of paying car payments, and want to do something else with my money.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Teo: I am just really mad at these rattles. I was thinking about getting a Passat next (but that's 3 or so years down the road), but I don't know now.

    Blueguy: Our posts are starting to sound similar. I can ignore the rattles, but am still mad because this car is doing this. I will keep it, but this will more than likely be my last VW.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    huh? what are you saying? i asked you what kind of jetta you had and you are getting defensive? are you saying that you DO NOT have one? interesting. so, with that, when i made my statement to jetta owners telling them that we are lucky in some cases with the problems we have and don't have, how did you take that post as being directed to you? you don't have a jetta, so i obviously was not talking to you. how did you come up with the idea that you should respond to my post? just curious.

    i have owned a 94 Sentra LE, a 96 Protege LX and 96 Integra GS-R, a 97 Civic HX, a 98 Altima GXE, a 99 Jetta GLS-VR6, a 00 Elantra, a 01 Civic EX, and a 02 Jetta GLS 1.8T. All purchased new.

    The only cars that have not given me real problems have been the VW's, a close second being the Nissans. I have OWNED and DRIVEN all of the cars listed above. So, guess what, I can speak to how reliable they are, from my own experience.

    My point is that, YES, the Japanese manufacturers have many SERIOUS reliability problems, and lawsuits. I am NOT saying that VW does not, but VW is not ANY WORSE than the others. HELLO, I came back to VW for reliability purposes.

    Why do you get so defensive? I am not in your Protege board dissing your car. Don't have to....you know what your car is like, that is why you are here. Why are you here trying to ruin the Jetta experience for others, when you have no credibility? Instead of just lurking in here, you should go get your Jetta and just be happy, instead of insulting it because you settled for less. That is all it ever boils down to, guys and girls. The only people that see fit to diss other cars are the people that are jealous. I know it sounds bad, but think long and hard about it, it is true. I mean, BlueGuy and Vocus have legitimate beefs. They own the cars, and I believe their problems. So far though, lots of others here just need to bite the bullet and get a Jetta instead of being so miserable.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    Someone had asked about that. When I had my VR6, in the mornings, it would always shake and rumble for about 20 seconds, then it would calm down. I noticed that pre-99 VR6's did the same thing in the Passats and Jettas. Part of the car I guess. My muffler or exhaust never fell off, and the car passed VA emissions inspections just fine.

    Does anyone know, with 2002, has the 2.0 liter oil issue been resolved? Speaking from a Cabrio point of view. Or for 2002, do you still just need to make sure that you check your oil? It woudln't differ between the Jetta 2.0 and the Cabrio 2.0, right? Same engine specs, right?
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Why did I reply to you? Because the heading of your post was directed at me. I'm not in here dissing the Jetta. I'm in here because I like to be. I'm also in here because I like to call B.S. B.S. does not go un-noticed with me. I am far from miserable about my Protege. I am not jealous of your Jettas. I wouldn't trade my Protege even up for a brand new Jetta unless I could sell it right away. That doesn't mean that I don't like Jettas, and that doesn't mean that I cannot post in here. FYI, I'm talking my parents into getting a new Passat. I will no longer respond to your posts because the things you say are completely ridiculous. You bought a Jetta for it's reliability? Enough said.
  • Go check out the Toyota sludge post - all cars have problems at some time. Even Toyota. So shut the sludge up.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I never said that Toyotas or any car is problem free did I? Toyota has got quite a mess on it's hands now.

    P.S. Don't *ever* tell me to shut up.
  • My experience with interior rattles tells me to ignore them. When I brought rattles to service departments the last 13 years, they usually failed to remedy them. And I'd guess that 75% of the rattles went away over time. Luck, I guess. But rattles are nagging, regardless of your car's cost.

    On the reliability of different marques, I disagree that Toyotas and Hondas have severe issues more frequently. Just go to the NHTSA and look up recalls the last 10 years. VW/ Audi/ Porsche has many more problems than Toyota or Honda, although the margin is shrinking. I'll admit recalls can be a misleading metric, though, since the North American business units hesitate to post recalls. This is the case with Toyota and their 3+ million motors with sludge potential- their abusive North American group blames it on the cars' owners.

    Just be glad you don't drive Jeeps, people!
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    newcar31:

    you aren't going to respond to my posts anymore? somehow, i think i will live :) seriously, your call. probably a good idea.

    everyone:

    don't get me wrong - i am NOT saying that the Japanese brands are problematic. but, i have to defend VW when people say that VW is more problematic. in certain areas, maybe, but it all evens out in the end. not only does toyota make good sturdy and reliable cars, but they make cars with engine and MAJOR tranmission problems. not only does VW make stylish and safe cars, but they make cars that rattle and have engine light problems. i prefer the rattles and engine malfunction lights over engine sludge and transmission problems. just my preference.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    don't be decieved...take a look at JD Powers long-term studies sometime.
  • Given your preference for rattles over "major" problems, it begs the question- why do you drive a 2001 Honda instead of a 2001 Volkswagen?

    Looking at JD Power & Associates' comparisons, I priortized Long-Term Reliability as "Very Important", and Mechanical Quality as a close 2nd most important trait. All other traits, I left under "Not Important". The resulting recommendations, based on the 8 cars I selected:

    1. Toyota Corolla
    2. Honda Accord Sedan
    3. Honda Civic Sedan
    4. Toyota Camry
    5. Nissan Maxima
    6. Nissan Altima
    7. Volkswagen Passat
    8. Volkswagen Jetta

    Apparently, VW receives good marks for initial quality, but they drop off the map for long-term reliability. Hey- at least they beat a few Hyundais and Fords when I went back and tried again ; )
  • Many VW fans refuse to believe statistical data. They take their personal experiences as gospel. Some VW fans even believe that their personal experiences somehow carry over to the whole of a model line. How a person can convince himself of this is beyond my ken.

    Can you imagine the only Yugo owner ever with two trouble-free cars proclaiming to the world that all Yugos must be good cars because neither of his have exhibited any problems? I couldn't fathom such a scenario until I bought a VW and met a handful of delusional types who deny evidence and point to personal experience.
  • I love my 2000 VR6. This was my first German car and amazed by how meticulously it was built so that everything I can touch and feel is perfectly tuned (I almost believe that the door is made way heavier than neccessary just make the sound when it is closed better). I'm not talking only about interior and exterior. The sensitive steering response, predictable behaviour, and the engine are just great. Of course, if you push this car too hard, it stats to fall apart, which many car journalists do not like, such as the suspension that bottoms out so easily and the engine loses its steam at high rpm ranges, but it's not what this car is made for.

    I even like the rough idling with the explosion of exhaust until the engine gets warmed up. It reminds my first car I got 20 years ago (1.3L Toyota) and this kind of trait almost extincted in this era!!

    However, I must admit that I become more and more scared by so many posting in the "jetta problems" section and my Jetta starts to have problems too...

    Now I am thinking two things. If I got two major problems (I mean more than $500), I would immediately get rid of my Jetta because I've never got such multiple problems in my 20 years of experiences with Japanese cars (more than 10 cars including those ownd by family members). Second, my wife is about to buy a car and Passat wagon was one of the top lists, but I remove the name.

    Every car has pros and cons and the greatness of my Jetta outweights anything so far. However, some people (like my wife) does not appreciate a penny for such "greatness" in driving experience. She just wants a spacious yet compact automatic car.

    It is a FACT that Toyota is more reliable than VW in terms of probability. But I found something in my Jetta, which I can never expect from Toyata and I would love to take the risk for that. I guess things boil down to this point isn't it? If Toyota looks better, drives better, and more reliable than VW, VW should have extincted long time ago.
  • well I was planning on taking my car in on Thursday before my one year is up so that they can chekc my brakes since they seem really weak and crappy comapred earlier...I also want them to take care of some rattles, but also, sometimes, or most times when slowing down and tunring onto a driveway or such, I hear a grinding of sorts. A couple of days ago when I was signaling, I noticed the blinker goes on the fritz and speeds up then goes back to normal, then today it did it more frequently then it would stop, then once i reset it, and signaled again, it would be fine then speed up again...so that goes on my list to...So my lease is up in 2004 and I am already considering what car I can get that has the german car feel and features std. and has personaility, and all I can consider basically would be a used Audi A4 or BMW 3-series but affording those seems tough and the Audi may have similar problems as the VW...I'm pretty sure I can say that this to will be my last VW for a while...
  • Your Jetta was not built by Germans, it was built by Mexicans,
    Likewise,many of the popular Japanese cars are built by Americans, so there is no reason to hang on to some kind of nationalism where quality is concerned,
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