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anymore which I can't believe.This realy stinks,when mine need to be replaced I too will get another brand.You made an excellant choice
in the Bridgestone's.
Congratulations! I got mine in Jan. and enjoying it except a couple of minor problems. My dealer "re programed transmission" and now I have smoother start. I still am struggling with making smoooother start but it's better than when I got it first. I never knew that they can change it.
Guess what, the mechanic did it for me for wrong reason:a noise that I complained. Oh, well.....
"Definition: An enhancement of an existing ABS system that prevents wheel spin while accelerating on wet or slick surfaces. It uses the same wheel speed sensors to monitor wheel speed during acceleration, but requires some additional control solenoids and a pump to apply braking pressure to control wheel spin. The traction control system brakes the drive wheel that's starting to spin to shift torque to the opposite drive wheel that still has traction. Most traction control systems only operate at speeds up to about 30 mph..."
Actually, even this is slightly misleading. TCS is really a simplistic directional stability system; it's not, as many people believe, a winter traction device. So it's no wonder you can't get up the hill... the TCS is intermittently applying the brakes, until the car finally bogs down in the snow. It's best turned off until you actually have some traction for it to control.
individual wheel braking
engine torque reduction(retard ignition timing or/and reduce injection time)
transmission hold or upshifting.
Speed limit applies only to brake traction control.
$700 worth of extras that are not standard on the XG350L. I think this is not such a great deal as it is technically already 1.5 years old. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?? Thanks.
Just click on USED CARS at the top of the screen and put in your info on the car, such as color and mileage, and options. Put in your zip code, and it will give you numbers for private sale as well as dealer retail. Print it out and show it to the salesman. Hang tough and insist that he meet the FMV price.
For the price, it's a whole lotta car. It's essentially unchanged for 2003, so it will still look like a "new" car.
I think that's a good deal. I bought my XG350L 2002 at $21500 in Jan.
in Bay Area, CA(before tax, regist, after $3000 discount from dealer, $2000 rebate from Hyundai). If a car was never sold to anyone and droven for only 26miles, it is a brand new car. I did not consider mine "1.3 year old" just becaues we are in 2003. But we know dealers want to sell cars with last model year at less price.
I must take exception to your characterization of this design feature as "latest whiz-bang technology." It was introduced by several manufacturers in the late l980's and has been an unqualified DISASTER. No one has figured out how to perfect this type of linkage between throttle pedal and engine.
My 1990 Lexus LS400 had it, and my 1999 LS400 had it. In both cases there were exasperating side-effects.
One idiotic Lexus rep told me that yes, there were the problems that I had identified, but that that is the price we must pay for the latest technology!
I have heard that Lexus abandoned this design feature in the LS430 after farting around with it for 12 years. I guess they had figured that if Mercedes did it, it must be the way to go, even though any sane person could identify its shortcomings.
Good grief.
Based on current prices that I am seeing in this and another forum for 2002 XG's, I'd say that undoubtedly you would be getting a world class bargain with the XG.
We have had our XG350L for nearly 11 months. My wife drives two round trips daily between home and work. Also we have taken a number of interstate trips averaging something like 1000 miles each. The only problems we have had is the re-programming of the engine control computer and installation of a missing circlip in the front axle assembly.
I don't see either of these as having been a big deal in comparison with problems I've had with other cars. There haven't been any "failures," and both my wife and I love the way it drives. Also, her boss has a 2002 XG350L and has reported no problems.
You must consider that folks gravitate to forums such as this one when they have problems and are seeking some insight as to the exact nature of their predicament. Overall, we would have to say at this point that we are very pleased with the XG350L. This judgment is made in the context of having owned two Lexus LS400's, and nearly 50 other cars, trucks, and SUV's.
[FWIW, I have been driving a Chevrolet Avalanche for 15 months and feel that it is one of the best vehicles I have owned, and one whale of a bargain].
Good luck with your decision.
Have any other posters went this route before of trading in a large car or SUV? I'm curious about your dealership experience - whether you were treated fairly in trading or really raked across the coals.
Another potential issue I may have is the seemingly low money factor for residual value on leasing a Hyundai - any comments or issues from posters? Or do most folks buy vs. lease?
Thanks in advance,
Bob - Southern MD.
(or small siren-like noise) when it's comming to stops. Also, it makes whistling noise when I take my foot off accelator pedal at any speeds. A mechanic at the dealer first thought they are not nomal. But after test-driving another XG350L-2002
which makes same noise, the dealer thinks that they are the charicteristics of XG350. I'm still
debating whether I try to live with them or go futher. Anyone has/had same problems?
RATE CARS.CLAIM LOWS FOR HEAD ROOM,HANDLING,FUEL ECONOMY& TURNING CIRCLE.HEAD ROOM?IM 6'1" AND
HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH.TURN CIRCLE ON MINE IS BETTER THAN MY CAMRY.THEY STATE RIDE&BRAKING AS ONLY HIGHS.ALSO SAID TRIM LEVEL "L" STANDS FOR LEATHER?.THEY ALSO MENTION WIND NOISE,WHICH I HAVE NEVER HAD ON MY XG300.
As for their "Test" of the XG, their assertions make one wonder if they even looked at one. Seems as if the "report" was dry-lab'd.
Claim of inadequate head room = ridiculous.
Claim of poor handling = ridiculous.
Claim of poor fuel economy has a bit of validity,
but not if you consider how heavy the car is.
Claim of large turning circle = ridiculous.
Claim of wind noise problem = ridiculous. In fact, car is surprisingly quiet.
Consumers Reports should stick to evaluating toasters and electric fry pans.
As for the numerous problem areas of any car, they are not determined by the test cars CR buys. Those figures are collected by reader surveys -- far more than just one person saying "gee, my car is great". So if you are going to complain about their test of the XG or any car, at least find out what it is you are denigrating.
Other publications concur about the performance of the XG. If you enjoy your car, then that's wonderful. Go enjoy it.
jimbeaumi - You imply that there is no such thing as a "fact" about a model of car, only "feelings." Having owned approx. 50 cars, I categorically reject this line of thinking.
Some of the cars that I've owned have become generally recognized as terrific, some as total crap, and most fall somewhere in between. And in many cases the verdict depends a lot on the criteria that one applies. For example, in certain very limited respects, the Peugeot 404 that I owned was "best"!!
Over time, undesirable as well as desirable design characteristics of specific models of cars become widely recognized. This awareness is coming a lot faster now that owners can compare experiences on highly specialized internet message boards such as this one.
I haunt this message board and also the t-h-c XG message board, and I would guess that the aggregate of experiences of XG owners who have posted on these boards constitutes more than ten times maybe more like 100 times the relevant experience that goes into Consumer Reports' assessments of the XG which, after all, is a relatively "rare" model of car.
CU's subscriber inputs are limited to areas of the car design that constitute FAILURES requiring "repairs." But what the magazine has criticised about the XG has nothing to do with failures. And no measurements have been made; they are "reporting" subjective judgments made by far far fewer people than the actual XG owners who participate in the XG forums on the internet.
Then there is the question of sample size. How many different XG's do you suppose CU "tested"? I'd be amazed if it were more than one. By contrast, many many individual cars are represented in the posts on these message boards.
Considering the number of different vehicle models currently in the marketplace, and the number of new ones introduced in a given year, it is amazing to me that an organization like CU would even pretend to do a workmanlike job of evaluating any significant percentage of them.
In short, I fail to understand why you would be defending them so ardently.
Back to topic...
Thanks...
From my previous cars you can guess, I'm no kid. I'm 68. At last I don't look like an old man driving a Buick. The price was right at $23,032
Rate the car a 8.5 out of 10. Great value!
Thanks
But the answer is that it's very easy to do. I did mine. I assume you have the fob's from Hyundai. There are no numbers needed or anything like that.
There is a little switch on a module next to the fuse panel. For easy access use a screwdriver to remove the panel in front of your knees, the big panel with a hole in it for the ignition key. I remember it was tricky to find, but on one of those little modules right in the fuse panel area, there is a little switch that has a clear plastic cover over it. It's hard to feel for it because of the cover, but it's right there. move the switch to the set position - it only has two positions, so just move it - then press a key on each of your two fob's, and try to do the second one within a second of the first. After that flip the switch back and try them both. If only one works you were not fast enough, so try again. It took me about 7 times before I figured out how to do it quickly enough.
If I remembered where the switch is I think I could reach it without removing the panel. Be gentle getting the panel off and on. As usual don't force anything. It has clips that are fairly tight so when the screws are out you have to pull against the clips. I found it a bit annoying getting the panel back on, but it's no big deal.
Can't quite figure if i'm having brake problem or not.
Seems as if I hit the breaks semi-hard there is a definite pulsating. Is this normal