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As for loaners, I'll be blunt. Hyundai is an economy car company. It's amazing they even offer loaners. However, by warranty standards, a dealer only has to offer a loaner if a repair will cause the car to be left overnight. Otherwise, its up to the dealer to offer it. Yes, a good dealer will try to please you but lets face it, people don't pay big bucks for Hyundai cars so they can't expect top notch service or expensive perks. If they have 4 loaners and they are all out, do you really expect them to bend over backwards to give you something else? No, you will get a ride to work like the rest of us. If you expect more, then Hyundai was not the right car for you. You need to look at more expensive luxury branded cars, like Lexus.
That being said, I'm sorry you have encountered this electrical gremlin so early on. I know it can be frustrating. Maybe you will be lucky and the problem doesn't occur again. My 03 Tiburon GT encountered a sudden power window failure a few times. I discovered this has been a common problem on my car and fixed by replacing the power window regulator, but so far (knock on wood), the problem hasn't resurfaced. This has been the only gremlin that has affected my car in 1.5 years and 13k. No dealer visits yet and its been a great car. Hopefully your car will turn out the same. Good luck and let us know if it happens again and what fixes it.
I had a ford, toyota, gm, and mazda vehicles before and they are all the same. No loaner vehicles for warranty work. It really is up to the dealership whether a customer gets a loaner or not.
blackrussian--since it has only been 3 weeks since you purchased your car, I would contact Hyundai USA and complain and complain. Speak to the customer service manager if you have to. I have heard that manufacturers are more likely to help a customer within the first 90 days of ownership.
By the way, he traded it in after about 6 months and 8k. He simply wanted an SUV and bought the XG on a whim. He amazingly got a good tradein deal, so maybe Hyundai is finally showing signs of improvement here. It never saw the dealer and didn't have any problems. However, the accelerator was much too aggressive and I believe the front suspension needed an alignment because the steering wheel was cocked some and the car liked to wander to the right (most likely caused by hitting a curb in a drunken stupor...I know, he's a moron).
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The results of a survey conducted by Strategic Vision may surprise some, but probably not many of those in this forum.
Hyundai came in second after Lexus for top brands based on 74,000 car owners' feelings about price, affordability, expected reliability and expected resale value.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-10-03-car-value_x.htm
I have a 80-odd mile roundtrip commute and this car is even better than the Sonata was. The level of quiet and comfort on our terrible SoCal roads, I-15, I-215 and California 91, is fabulous and the ride and power is outstanding.
All who have looked at it are amazed at level of comfort and appointments and are amazed when they discover the low price.
The comments on this board did nothing but assure me that the XG is as good a product as the Sonata. Thanks to you all.
Well today I finished the sale of my '05 Toyota Solara SLE Convertible and purchased a used 2004 XG350L. I know people will be wondering this but I replaced the two month old ( :-( ) Solara because I'm going through a relationship breakup and wanted a more practical everyday car that costs nearly $150 month less.
So anyway, it's a silver L with Black interior and thoroughly enjoy this vehicle. It has 17,500 miles on it. I do have a couple of questions for people as they had to order me an owners manual (and floormats).
One of the remotes they gave me doesn't work. I am going to call them about it but does anyone know if it is something I can "program" myself or if I have to get it done by the dealer?
The only keys they had were standard blanks and I'm not even sure if it is the master key (they don't work on the glovebox. haven't tried the trunk yet.). Does anyone know how I go about getting a new master key if I don't have the little metal tag/number for the keys? Also, does anyone know if the master key is a transponder type? I've seen some things on the internet but can't find much information and I know the dealer is going to charge me dearly for a nice black master key.
That's it for now. After having many GM cars and now Lexus and Toyota for a while, I really like the value that XG has and luxury to boot!
I've had my '04 XG350L since Tuesday and I have some questions about the way things work.
Auto-Headlights: I've had many cars with automatic headlights and they always have a delay to keep from coming on under overpasses, short tunnels, etc. In my XG there is absolutely no delay before the headlights turn on. On the freeway they constantly go on and off under every overpass. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just a malfunction of my system?
Stereo: I'm not sure if my speakers in the back are not working correctly or if it's just the stereo. I have to turn the speakers nearly all the way to the rear to hear anything out of them.
I've seen people post that the drivers seat doesn't move back unless you have the parking brake engaged. Mine is totally different. I have an "Auto" button by the memory buttons. If this button is pushed (green light on), the seat moves back when I turn off the engine, regardless of whether or not the parking brake is engaged. When the switch is off, it does not move back
And this is jut an observation. I have the black leather and I am very disappointed with the quality of it. It feels like plain old vinyl to me.
As for the auto lights, they are very quick to turn on so I think yours are operating normally. When I pulled my friend's car into the garage, the lights would turn on instantly as soon as the shade hit the dash.
I think the stereo has a weak amp. For an Infinity system, it just doesn't sound like it has a lot of power. That being said, a lot of sedans use the rear speakers more for bass and the front speakers for the actual sound. I've been in many sedans where the rear speakers aren't even audible unless you sit in the rear seat or transfer all power to the rear. I'd say its just how your stereo was designed to operate.
Dealer replaced (1) the Throttle Position Sensor, and (2) I think it's called the Throttle Servo Drive.
I love this car, but who needs this wierd stuff?
As I person who is looking at buying a car in the next week.. I've notice how much higher Hyundai's eminssions are
I'm looking at:
Chevrolet Impala LS
Buick Lacrosse CXL
Toyota Camary XLE V6
Honda Accorda EX V6
On Cars we are looking at..
Of course the Sonata LX and XG350L because of the Holiday weekend we haven't driven them yet
But we've drove the Toyota Camary XLE V6
Didn't care for it..felt like a small car..road noise, Bland looking.. Off the List.. Why would I pay $26,000 plus for this ??
Chevy Impala LS loaded,Leather etcc., Nice, fast, but not refined, small back seat and not much thigh support.. Stays on the list though can buy for $24,000
Will drive the Hyundai's and Buick LaCrosse and Lesabre this week
Decided not to get too excited about driving the Honda due to it's similar size to the Camary..
I'm still concerned with the eminssions rating of the Hyundai's
Can anyone confirm or deny this? Do you know which engine it is?
The size is 2972cc (3.0l)
First of all, I became interested in Hyundais because of their value (and warranty). We bought a 2003 Sonata LX for my wife primarily because it had everything standard for a price much less than the competition (Nissan, Toyota, and Honda). It also it had good reviews from consumer mags and an award for quality in the mid-size category (it’s really a large compact). 2 years and 30K miles later, the Sonata hasn't had any problems and still runs like new. This particular vehicle is very well built, and for me answers any questions about Hyundai quality.
While I liked the Sonata, I found it a little cramped for me personally. I thought about waiting until the summer ‘05 for the new Sonatas to come out but figured they wouldn’t be dealing much on them initially, and I’m always leery of potential new model defects (the new Sonatas will be built in the US I believe). While scanning the Hyundai web site I noticed on the ’04 XG350 they were offering $2,500 rebates plus $1,500 owner loyalty bonus plus $500 military discount. Well, $4,500 is a big incentive. So off to the dealers I went. I’m fortunate since I live in an area with 4 Hyundai dealers within easy driving distance so I was able to find the color, and equipment I liked and had the option to “walk” if I didn’t get the deal I wanted. Bottom line is I paid $20,000 plus TTL including the rebates and “dealer processing fee”. That’s almost $7,000 off the $26,700 sticker of a fully equipped XG350L and is right in the ballpark of Edmund’s TMV pricing before the rebates are factored in.
Did I get a good deal? I think so. The rebates tipped the balance, but it is a 2004 and all manufacturers/dealers give incentives to push out last year’s models. Did the dealer and Hyundai make money? Sure, it’s a game but they’re better at than us and whatever deal we get it is ALWAYS going to favor the dealer.
Impressions of the XG350L: First off, I knew I wasn’t buying a Lexus, Acura, or other luxury name plate. That said I’m very impressed with the quality of materials, fit and finish of this car. In my opinion the interior styling is right up there with those luxury cars. To confirm the common complaint, I also find the accelerator very sensitive coming off the line. That’s a minor issue since with a little practice I found I can ease the throttle somewhat to smooth out the acceleration. The transmission is a little quirky too, seems like it shifts around a lot more than I would expect. The shifts are smooth and not really that noticeable but it probably accounts for some of the disappointing gas mileage observed in city driving. However, the engine is plenty powerful, the ride smooth, and the brakes are wonderful compared to other cars I’ve had. I’ve never had a car that would stop as smoothly, quietly and true as this car. I could go on, but so far I really like this car in terms of value and amenities. To get all the goodies and a great warranty for around $20K is hard to beat.
1) There is NO difference between the 2004 vs. 2005 XG350L, except additional inclusive options.
2) Specifically, the 2005 includes as "standard" equipment: CD trunk changer and front-back floor mats.
Thus, if you got these included- you DO have a 2005 in actuality (dismissing its manufacture date..)
Your other concerns/observations, I'll briefly note:
-Brakes: best operative braking I've ever experienced. On mine- a bit TOO good, and needed minor adjust
-Power/Torque: exceptional IMHO and enjoyable at initial start..
Accelerator/Throttle: agreed it IS sensitive. Mine settled down (after +2K miles), or I "learned" how to compensate..
-Transmission: same as you a bit "quirky" initially. But has also settled down now as well..
Overall, appreciate the value, styling, and unique "package"- particularly reactions after people realize it's a Hyundai.. Enjoy!
I just got a call from Hyundai service dept saying car is repaired already! (just took it in 4 hours ago, this service dept is great!) My '05 XG350L had a CD changer defect in addition to the lack of throttle response. Service advisor told me the throttle sensor (drive by wire system component) was reset and that should eliminate the problem. He's heard of the problem before and that solution seems to fix it. Hope so, the defect causes potentially deadly situations while driving.
I love almost everything about this car, including the great value for the price paid, BUT, if this defect ever rears its ugly head again I may dump the car in favor of an alternate, probably a new Nissan Altima 4 cylinder with every option available, to try to bring it up to a level of luxury close to the XG. On second thought, since I don't want family members or others killed because of a lack of accelerator response, I guess I should check the boards here on any possible replacement cars to make sure they don't have this or a more serious problem too.
I wonder if Hyundai USA has anyone reading this board.
My immediate family has owned 5 new Hyundais and a Kia over the last several years. Here's hoping we survive this one.
My '04 Kia van with a 3.5 liter motor improved MPG significantly after a couple thousand miles.
So, for $20297 (plus tax title and license), what do you all think of the deal? The MSRP on the factory sticker is $26594 and includes only factory standard equipment and shipping.
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Or, do you think maybe they just need to unload them before the new Sonata and new XG come out later this year?
I'm interested in what price (excluding tax title and license) these cars are actually being sold for.
We paid over $25,000 for our 2002 XG and I can tell you it is not pleasant to realize that it is now worth no more than $10,000!!! It has been a pretty good car, now has 45,000 miles on it, but hasn't been trouble-free by any means.
Is that a Kelley BlueBook trade in price for your used 2002? I think the trade in price is pretty close to what we'll get if we sell to a private party.