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they tell you it needs new brakes and rotors.bull.have it check out elsewhere.
at 23,ooo miles i was told the same and i got 45,000 miles from them
now at 60 they said the same thing .car now has 73,000 and brakes still good.
wait until they squeal.you have to do front rotors anyhow.
i have found many of the dealers to be not very honest.
i was told i needed new muffler,new head gasket ,new windhield cowl ,and other .....when my 2000 9.5 reached 52,000 miles.
i had asked the dealer to check everything at 48,000 miles to take advantage of warranty and they stated all ok.
i came back 2 months later for oil change.
now this,
i told them that all looked all ok and that i did not see any oil leaks.
they stated that they have special equipment and that only they can see the oil leak.
this is bs.
i have had this approach on me before at a merceds dealer. same bs...oil leak but only we can see it.
it has been 2 years and 22,000 miles and no oil leak ,no water leaks in the cowl. and the muffler is still going strong and so are the brakes.
i have seen dealers take work orders,accumulate them on the service desk,and every 1/2 hour or 45 minutes take them to a date machine and stamp work done.....
a way to inflate the hours worked in your car to charge you more...this latest i observed first hand at a dealer in the d.c. area where my car broke down.
when i came in the said it was a major repair and that i better get a motel room.
when they found out i had a warranty , they fixed the cooling fan that had stopped working ,in 25 minutes and sent me on my way.
the dealers are a major problem.
and you have to go in there with knowledge ,or suffer the consequences.
and, this is not unique to saab.
it is a very common practice,and my experience with most new car dealers is very much the same.
changed on a 1999 9-5 SE automatic?
2.3L Turbo
Thanks, all..........AccSell
I'd just paste all the steps here, but the 'Copy' operation is disabled in that software.
It is true that my brakes are not squealing, but I was going to go ahead with the repair when I found a decent shop. Maybe not....
Thanks for your help.
I took the car to the dealership twice for this problem and it seems to be ok now.
They told me the car had alrady got the most updated software version so they did the followings:
1. Decarbonize the engine
2. Replaced throttle body (2 parts - throttle body & O-RINGTHRTLBDY)
Hope this helps.
And, just to give a perspective on longevity, my car has 164000 miles on it. The problems didn't start until around 150000. And even now, I don't want to part with my SAAB. Reading the posts here have reminded my I love it. Forget the Infinity - I'm finding another SAAB.
What type of lease payments should I expect with excellent credit, 12,000 miles/year, 36 month, zero down?
Thanks for your understanding.
I don't make the rules, btw.
If you want to pursue this, you should get in touch with Sylvia, our Community Manager - sylvia AT edmundsDOTcom.
at over 80 mph i register an overall mpg of 29 to 32 .bugt this ,on a 1,500 mile trip,straight.
i could have had over 200,000 miles on the car by now but because i do own many other cars and travel much, the time spent in the sab is reduced.
but,i will tell you that as a 4 seater ,it is my favorite car over some bmw and mb.
the 4 cyl. engine is just great. i cannot have enough of this sweet running engine.
and the tranny is also great but only because is the sane used by lexus.and made in japan. the trick with it is to change the tranny oil every 6,000 miles. not really change it ,but just drain it ,3 pints will come out,and replace it.
simple to do. remove a nut ,let it drain,and replace the nut.fill it.
well ,now i must knock on wood.
i hope that this answers the question raised by randyw.
and ,i am told that the 9.5 is being redesigned for 2006 and out by late 2005.
i would avoid year 1.
also ,to get over 60,000 miles out of the aero tires ,keep the pressure at 43.
i removed my tires at about 56,000 miles and still had another 5 to 7,000 miles left on the thread.
snow tires,
i got the saab deal .it is the best out there .it includes 4 alloy wheels with snows.
and by the way,the snows will fit in the spare tire area. only minus is that the top will be about 1/2 an inch higher at the rear of the car.
i took a saab alloy ,16 inch wheel,and after a blow out in vermont,i bought a new dealer deal,and used the old wheel to mount an all weather spare tire which i have now used twice after punctures on the road.
and ,going to knock on wood again as i read consumer reports on the 2000 year ,more black dots are now showing up.
tried trading it in and found out two years later the car is only worth $12,000.
when i did i found a lot of metal particles stuck on the magnet at the end of the plug.
so, i decided to to be safe i would change the transmission fluid myself every 6,ooo miles.
knock on wood.
but ,i have spoken to friends at the saab dealership---they work there --- and the horror stories about problems are incredible.
i still like my car as i posted above,but getting a littl worried as i approach 90,000 ,iles.we will see
The point, to the many online readers thinking of buying a 9-5, is that every car line has its share of lemons and poor dealers. I feel for my brethren above, but know that they are in the minority.
...And I am NOT a Saab salesperson, just a longtime devotee of Saabs.
But I leased a 2000, 9.3 that didn't have any problems - i miss that car.
I now have a 2002 9.5 Areo that has had only very minor problems. A headlight fell out while driving and scratched up the paint - the power cables kept it from falling off, so it bounced around until I stopped.
The Aero is FUN to drive but I wouldn't get another with auto trans - because it vibrates at idle. It's bad enough that it makes me put it in neutral at every red light.
Does anyone know?... Can you put modern tire chains on the factory delivered tires? I live in Raleigh and I won't drive in snow but we get a lot of ice. I don't think snow tires would help when it's very icy.
Perhaps part of my frustration is because I know some automakers are getting it right - we have had the exact opposite experience with Audi. The few problems we have had we hardly remember because Audi calls us after every visit to make sure our needs were addressed and we're 100% satisfied. That's how loyal customers are created.
I want to get rid of my gas guzzling Landcruiser and get back into a SAAB; last one was a 96 9000CSE, a blast but always breaking down. Hope to get 03 Aero within next few months.
Question is how will it handle snowy winters (Vermont for me) even with winter wheels and snow tires. I am tempted to get a Volvo S60 AWD but have always wanted an aero. If you depend on your aero in the snow belt I'd like to hear your observations. Thanks!
Either way, a Saab 9-5 Aero with snows is a joy to drive in winter. We took ours up to northern Minnesota to go skiing a couple of weeks ago and drove it during a heavy snow at night on our way out to dinner. The car felt like it was on tank tracks. Go for it--you'll love it!
Let me know if you have any questions.
Oh, and far as fuel economy goes, we got just over 33 mpg in the snow with snow tires on. We made the same drive last summer and got just shy of 35 mpg. The interior is a little noisy (it's our 4th Saab--they all rattle and creak), but it's a fantastic car.
Did you consider the awd volvo xc70? Just curious as to why or why not compared to aero wagon. Thanks.
1) The styling--with all the black cladding, it's just trying too hard to be something other than a wagon. It's kind of like an Audi allroad--if you're going to drive a wagon, drive a wagon. Black plastic doesn't make the car look tough, just like you're hiding something.
2) Reliability--my company gets Ford supplier pricing, my wife's gets GM--not too bad a deal, eh? So, I considered the Volvo, but then started reading complaints (brickboard.com, etc.) from actual owners. I know it's all second-hand (so no flames, please!), but right now, I'd have to say Volkswagen, Audi and Volvo are all on my "too unreliable to consider" list.
Also, I'm really not all that sold on awd. With modern road maintenance (plowing responsiveness, salt/chemical application, etc.) and modern snow tires, awd (even in the snowy northern plains of MN) would only truly be helpful a few times a year. The entire rest of the year, you're paying for those few days with the extra weight of awd. A balanced car with snows and some electronic aids is all we need here (my own car is a BMW 330--RWD, but with a 50/50 balance, DSC and Dunlop winter sport tires).
Probably more than you wanted to know, but there you have it.
My A4 has been a dream - zero problems
My wife's 9-5 is a total lemon...
Resale on both Audi and Volvo is among the best out there, Saab is among the worst
I heard that Saab (BMW too but it depends on the model years) is on the top of the most reliability European brands (I heard that Saab is the most reliability European brand). I heard that Audi has good resale value but I have never heard that Audi, VW, or Volvo are reliable
BMW was the first marque we bought from that offered free scheduled maintenance, and theirs is very generous--even includes consumables like wiper blades and brake pads. Most of the other luxury brands have followed suit. For MB to drop it speaks volumes to me about how expensive it has been for them to maintain their current vehicles--for them to remove features says even more.
I read an interesting comment about MB around two years ago. Not an exact quote, but something like: "Mercedes used to be designed and built by engineers and the cars cost what they cost; now they're designed by marketers and the engineers have to fit within that budget."
J Umbgerger: I can only say that this is our fourth Saab and they have never had a major problem other than a dead battery. There have been some quirks with HVAC or squeaks, but they have been just great cars for us in terms of always being ready to drive when we need them. I don't quibble with you on the A4--I test drove one when I bought my 3er and I loved it...but the reliability complaints just scared me away. I'm glad to hear you've had such good luck with yours--maybe things are getting better over there and I can add them back to our next shopping list. They certainly have the most beautiful and livable interiors in the business.
As far as Saabs go, most of the reliability problems came right after GM bought out the company and introduced the new designs--'94-'96 are very bad years for Saabs and that reputation has followed them.
My tire dealer recommended Spider Spikes, which fit over the front wheels and clip on in seconds when you reach the snow or ice (or so they claim). The price is the problem ($500 plus).
I do wish that the Aero could chain up from time to time, since the Sierra Nevadas have chain restrictions in winter.
For a look at where Saab is going take a gander at the piece in the current issue of the Economist. Looks like they are going to build the next ones in Germany. (In part because GM has excess capacity in Germany and to close a factory there is a "nightmare". Way to go unions: make the work rules rigid enough and maybe you can keep a plant but kill an economy.)
Share your thots?
( 1999 9-5 Turbo 2.3, automatic, 144M, Michigan )
Thanks, Accsell
Put it up on a lift at a Midas ostensibly to get a "quote" and take a look. Then buy the best OEM exhaust stuff you can (forget Meinece and Midas; their warranty doesn't cover much beyond the muffler itself) and have an Independent garage (lots in Ann Arbor) put it on.