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By the way, I have a 2000 9-5 Aero and am quite happy with it. It replaced an Alfa 164S which my wife did in while I was out of the country. It was my third Alfa in a row but I wouldn't go back to an Alfa now, the Aero's turbo torque and handling is just too much fun.
can they actually do this on this board.
why.--
the place is no fun any longer.
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L8_Apex
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Also, anyone know if Saab will ever accept GM credit card rebate earnings?
Thanks in advance!
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, just hoping GM folks know a good deal when they're handed one on a 24 carat gold platter.
The GM card question is probably best asked to Saab NA.
MSRP: $39,820
Capitalized cost reduction: $2,000
Residual value: $19,511.80
Lease term: 36 months
Monthly factor: .00121
Is this a good or bad leasing price? 1st time Saab owner. Have also been looking at the Audi A6 and the Lexus ES 300.
Thanks!
FWIW... Jan. & Feb. are my busiest months of the year so not only have I not been around here much, I haven't been driving the 9-5 much. Yesterday I had my detailer clean it up and we went out last night with friends. It sure was nice to spend time with the Saab again. Our friends had never been in a 9-5; needless to say, they were very impressed.
drew
I seriously considered the A6 and, to a lesser extent, the ES300. One compromise you'll have to make is that when you lease a Lexus or Audi, you will pay full market price for the car and an interest rate that is rarely discounted. I'm talkin' 9% interest. The money factor on the 9-5 deal works out to be 2.9%. Plus you're getting the 9-5 near invoice; no way you'll get that deal on the A6 or ES300.
I guess the big question for anyone considering these cars is what's more important: Cars like Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus have great pedigrees and certainly make a statement. Saab's image and pedigree is, shall we say, unfocused in the U.S. so it won't have the same impact as the other brands.
My personal motivation was to drive the best car possible with the lowest payment possible and little or no money out of my pocket. To me, this is the core essence of leasing. But leasing means different things to different people. That's why the car market is so terrific - there is something for everyone. Best of luck!
Can I use my GM Card points?
Earnings accumulated by holders of The GM Card (the standard blue or gold cards) may be applied toward the purchase or GMAC SmartLease® of a GMO/GMS vehicle under this program, excluding Saab and Saturn. The new GM Card (the copper or platinum cards) earnings may not be used in combination with the GM New Vehicle Purchase Program.
thank you for clarifying.
re---caddy--- went this route recently and after 18 months sold the car at a $25.0 LOSS.
the caddy looks great,but after a few thousand miles it begins to fall apart on you.literally.
the suspension becomes soft and the handling loses the edge.it had little,but still....
and the north star engine------well,1 quart of oil every 700 miles and at times 400 miles was just too much.--the long term prospect did not look good at all.
the oil cooler hose came off at one point and I spilled lots of oil in my driveway.
the accel.pedal just fell off---at 850 miles new.
the brakes did not.---took a recall--twice to fix them. many other problems---- (it reminded me of my 85 jag.xj6. )
i got on a first name basis with each of the service writers in two dealerships,.. and so on.........
so far the Saab ,with 22,000 miles no major problems other than two ecm recalls in 3 months. and a sticking transmission--would not go into gear --out of park---fixed by the dealer.
in July i am going on a 10,ooo miles plus trip,circumnavigating the usa from fla. up to vt. to vancouver via montana ,of course to try out the car's flat out driving composure down to--wyoming and up,then down to l.a.-- new mexico,etc..--new orleans, and finally fla.
by the end of this trip we will know what this car is made off.
Very scary in busy traffic, especially when pulling away from a junction or traffic island when I seem to lose all the pulling power for a split second before it picks back up again. Doesn't happen all the time, though -- it's happened three times over the last 100 miles, and again this afternoon. Now I'm getting concerned.
Could this be a turbo or fuel pump failure, or that old ECU issue I thought I'd gotten away with? (I understood the recall on the ECU only affected pre January 2000 models.)
Mystery is, this never happened inside the first 6000 miles. Anybody got any suggestions? I know I'm under warranty but my less-than-clever dealer often needs help with these kind of things, so any moral support would be gratefully received.
Any thoughts gratefully received. Thanks a lot.
Thanks!
had it been a non-ecm car i would say carburation or timming.
but it is a computerized car so ----ecm.
read up and you will note that they installed two units in mine ---one in november or december 20000 and the second one in january 2001.
i asked why and was told stumbling and engines dying.
They did swap out the 'dump valve' for a new one, however. Not entirely sure what this does but it sits under the bonnet just behind the top of the radiator grill. I believe it releases turbo pressure at lower revs, e.g. between gear changes etc. to avoid the engine being constantly blown. Sounds like this might help if mine was sticking - I guess we'll see.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Actually the waste gate could be generating the symptoms you described. When you let off the throttle to shift, the waste gate would likely open to dump off excess pressure and if it stuck open momentarily, the pressure would quickly drop off after you hit the throttle in second gear. It could also be the ECU. Since the dealer quickly changed the waste gate, it makes me wonder: has he seen this before? Did Saab tell him to look for this? Did a fault code for the waste gate show up when he checked out the car? Time will tell but this could have been your problem
My dealer wouldn't accept an ECU fault because there were no error codes in the system, and also because my chassis number is outside the range of vehicles recalled for known ECU failures. That in itself isn't a guarantee that mine doesn't have a problem, I'm sure, though I guess we have to start somewhere and the waste gate seems a reasonable place to begin.
In the absence of any error codes or previous experience with my problem on this model, the dealer was unsure how to move forward, so they called Saab Technical -- it was they who suggested the dealer change the waste gate as a starting point.
I'm observing the performance and, as you rightly say, time alone will tell. I'll post my findings given a few days to see how it goes from here.
Thanks again for the info. Best regards.
the waste gate allows the dumping of excess pressure to keep the internal press. within the envelope.and, the press.within operating limits.
if sticking it will cause the car to stumble but only at max.rpm or max.acceleration and you would see the press. gauge go from yellow into the red. and at this point the car would act as if missing.
Thanks for your help! Regards, Peter
I've not had the problem but I do have a suggestion. It sounds to me like it's burning the fuel too rich but I'm no expert. My suggestion is to simply tell them that the condition is unacceptable and must be corrected. When they try to tell you it's normal, I'd simply stick to my guns explaining that your well aware that other Saab owners aren't reporting the condition and it is "Unacceptable" for you to have to live with it.
Best of Luck
Drew
My feeling is that it's related to reformulated fuels we get in the winter. Various regions of the country get different formulations so I'm sure this effect varies as well.
I'm waiting for Spring and "normal" fuel to return. My Saab has other issues; squeaky driver's seat, creaking rear door, whistling A/C blower. I'll have it all fixed at the 6000 mile oil change.
9-5 SE left. I offered $31,000, but they would not come down from $32,000. It has 100 miles.
Is this price fair? Is there somewhere else I should be looking for competetive pricing? Thanks
for any help.
I've got a few questions for the 9-5 experts out there;
1. What kind of mileage should I expect to be getting? (1.5 yrs old/ 20K, well maintained).I don't race it, but I do like to give her a "kick" now and then. I've only has it 3 weeks, and I'm looking at @ 17-19 mpg.
2. Will driving the sport mode severely affect mileage as well? (it's a blast!)
3. What octane do you recommend? I've 'been using 89 up to this point.
4. MY wife doesn't drive (grew up in the city, and she has me, her chauffer). We moved out of the city recently, and I'll soon need a second car. Could anyone suggest a previously-owned Saab (model/year) that the wife would feel just as comfortable and safe in?
5. Finally, Got any suggestions on how I can clean my windshield wipers? $20. for a new pair sounds a bit steep (dealer).
I've read these posts before. Saab, Volvo (with all their problems, they still love the car), VW, and I thought all you guys were nuts, and have way too much time on your hands. But I've come to realize you're not crazy you're consumed, and I know why. This is a satisfying car. It feels good, it fits, it's balanced. I like the way I "slip" into it, and I even enjoy driving my son to school, even though we're .5 miles away.
I suddenly find myself volunteering to "go get things", and offering to drive to friends/relatives I never wanted to visit driving my Altima.
Driving the 9-5 is fun, in fact, enlightening. I really like this car, and didn't think it would have such a profound effect on me. I almost wish my wife doesn't learn to drive, because she's going to have to fight me for this car.
I drove an Altima before this (another very good lease assumption), and you know what, I can't go back. Thanks alot.
Converted
Wiper Blades: Cleaning or not - you will eventually have to replace them. Saab is using an odd size which forces you to buy from them but you can get around that. Just go to an auto parts store and buy a "Refill" blade for the next higher size. I think it's 23inch. Then simply cut them down. Be careful not to cut too short. I used a small hax saw since you have to cut thru a small metal piece. It's very simple to do and you get a better blade for less money.
A used Saab: I'd go with anything WELL maintained that is older than 1993 (no automaitcs) or a 1998 or newer- automatic or standard. Or another option, any used 9000 since '93 that does NOT have and automatic. I strongly recommend avoiding automatic 9000's and older 900's - newer 9-5's and 9-3's? Take your pick, either in any combo should be fine. For a truely special car, find one of the last 5 speed 9000 Aeros. I think they quit making that version around '95 or '96.
Hmm, was that confusing enough?
Best of luck.
Drew
All the best.
P.S. Anytime you use the "Sport" mode, or any other similar "mode" on other vehicles, in which the engine "revs out" each gear, you will get poorer gas mileage. It's worth it, though, eh?
Snow tires make a huge difference.
Drive Safe,
Joe
Rox
I'll admit - I've been set on the new Volvo S60 T5 for a few months. Nonetheless, something about both the 9-5 Aero and 9-3 SE draw me in. Can somebody convince me why it's better to go w/ the Saab and it's older platform instead of the newer S60 T5 - and I'm not talking about looks because that is completely subjective.
Thanks,
Derek
Click on my handle and e-mail me. I'm 100% serious.
i still prefer the std. wheels also.but the bbs do look great .but avoid potholes.
the volvo vs saab----think reliability---even though the newer saab is still a question mark the volvo is a known headache.--and ,the saab is more nimble ,thus more fun to drive.---but the seats on the volvo are superior for long trips.
i have a volvo turbo and even though most parts in the car have failed ,the turbo ,only needed replacement at 175,000 miles.----the car now has 228,000 and the new turbo is still strong.----i would not worry about the newer turbos and their reliability ,nor its effects on the engine---that is,provided that they are a saab or volvo because of their long experience with them.
Now of course, if you don't have a turbo, you'll never have the potential of have having it fail but I wouldn't hesitate owning one because of that. If you don't have airconditioning, you never have the potential of having that fail either. Do you remember the days when airconditioners were not reliable?
Good Luck
Drew
I'm currently looking for a car that's reliable, safe, fits my budget, and doesn't have the "generic" style. Saab is one of the few that doesn't give the feeling of "I-look-just-like- everyone-else."
Looking forward to the next generation 9-3 to maybe replace my wife's 900.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Also, I have a question. On my fuel gauge, the top letter is F which I assume means Full. The bottom letter is R. What does that mean, Refill?
Yep, people who treated the "old" turbos like you did, were very happy owners for doing the right thing.
Unfortunately, it was hard for the dealer sales guy to tell people to allow their engines to cool down by idling after a spirited drive. Thus, Turbos didn't last long. Who wanted to buy a car that needed to sit idling for 30 seconds to a couple minutes everytime they got home? The good news is that the problems resulted in very reliable Turbo designs for the few companies that still sell them. And certainly there is no need to fear owning todays turbo's.
Drew
This is sure a great step for Scab who has not ever tested well with CR prior.
The Audio A6 dropped out from last year due to reliability problems.
A quick tip if your service light on the display is driving you crazy. Push the clear button once briefly, then wait a few seconds and push it again and hold it down for 15 seconds. Well, all gone. Don't forget to change the oil though.
Please email me directly at- gmtcoving@aol.com
E-mail me even if you're in another state, I may travel?
Thanks,
Gary