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Mercedes-Benz S-Class

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  • Has anyone recently purchased a S500? In the SF Bay Area, I've talked to 2 dealers that offered invoice without even trying. I was a bit suprised and am wondering how low I could get them to go if I really tried. I know they have a marketing incentive of 2k and 1.5K if you finance through them running through the end of Jan.
  • I have a MBUSA reference that may help you motivate a shop to really fix your car. It's from another board and contains a diagnosis of the problem your car's level control is having after water exposure.

     

    Go to this site and scroll down to 5/28/99 (on right side):

     

    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/allex26/allex//Bin/info1.html
  • ok its amazing that you guys have nit heard about this yet for the mercedes phones go to mikbox.com
  • cellcell Posts: 1
    I BOUGHT A USED MB 1999 S320 LAST FEB. HAD 39K ON IT AND THE CAR IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. THE OWNERS WERE IN THIER 70'S H/W. THE CAR SMELLED LIKE BRAND NEW, FLOOR MATS BRAND NEW AND I JUST LOVE IT. I BOUGHT THIS CAR WHEN I SEND MY WIFE TO HAWAII AND WHEN I PICKED HER UP IN THE AIRPORT SHE WAS SURPRISED. MY ADVICE, LOOK FOR S-CLASS 98-99, THE 95-97 HAD SOME PROBLEMS. AS FAR AS THE ENGINE, V6 DON'T BOTHER ME AT ALL, INFACT YOU ARE BETTER OFF WITH IT SPECIALLY GAS IS GOING UP AGAIN. YES, MAINTENACE IS KINNA EXPENSIVE, A INSPECTION COST YOU PROBABLY $200 BUT YOUR CHANGE OIL IS UP TO 10K, IF YOU HAD ANOTHER CAR YOUR CHANGE OIL IS EVERY 3K SO... IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME. ALSO THINK THAT YOU ARE DRIVING AN EXPENSIVE CAR... TAKE THE PRIDE, SUCK UP THE COST TAKE CARE OF YOUR BABY AND YOU WILL BE SATISFIED. THE COMFORT AND THE EXCITEMENT OF DRIVING W140 IS UN-EXPLAINABLE YOU HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT. 2000 AND UP MB'S AREN'T IMPRESSIVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE OLD MB LOOK. LOOK FOR A CAR OWNED BY SENIOR CITIZEN BASICALLY FROM A RETIRING COMMUNITY, THEY ONLY USE THIS CARS TO BUY GROCERIES AND OR GO TO THE CASINO... THIS ARE WELL MAMTIANED CARS... TAKE MY ADVICE.

     

    CELL
  • I have recently bought a 02 s430. I was loving it and then I read some of these forums, so now I'm worried! I came here looking for information on cell phones for the car. The previous owner took the timeport that was original to the car, but I bought one on ebay. I need the instruction manual, and any advise regarding this matter. I really am worried about the suspension now. this sounds like a common problem to that series and year model. Any help is appreciated.
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    I bought a S500 2000 for, well, a boatload of Internet cash. Now they tell me that my mint 2000 S500 with 42k miles is worth only $32K wholesale?!?! eBay has them for Buy Now's at $33-35K. What the heck has happened to MB resale value... you are telling me someone can buy a mint S500 with low miles for the same price as a Toyota Camry.

    Wow, folks, don't buy new Mercedes... buy used certified. THE WAY TO GO.
  • Hi, Guys, I want to purchase extended Warranty for my S-500 of year 2000. Can anybody let me know where I can get a good price except the dealers? Any suggestions? Thanks.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Teresa, there are some warranty conversations going on over on our Smart Shopper board that you might find helpful. Just click on that link and take a look at the discussion titles.

    Meanwhile, we'll wait to see if someone here has some suggestions.
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    For those of you considering a late model MB 2000 model year or later.. one word..RECONSIDER!!!!! I have owned a 2001 S500 that had 1800 miles when I bought it. NIGHTMARE. COnvinced the dealer to buy it back and I purchased a 2002 S500 same features, sports package all the toys. It too has been living in the service department. Just two weeks ago ( I have less that 50,000 miles on it ) I started hearing this popping noise when I turned the wheel. The replaced the entire steering column because it had begun to fall apart internally!!! They were about to call me to come pick up my car when the tech noticed that the car sat too low when turned off. HE check out why and had to replace both Struts on the front end. I had the same problem with my 2001 and this was the THIRD TIME they had to service the suspension system on this car. Not to mention the COMAND system giving up the ghost. The cell phone frying in the holder while I was talking. The time I had clients in the car and the suspension warning light coming on. I wont bore you with the details of the 2003SL500 I bought and hoped to keep as a classic. Suffice it to say that when you drive down the highway with your top half up and your trunk open people tend to take more notice than they would other wise. Wall Street Journal 2/17/05 Talks of GM taking market share from Mercedes and others in Europe . Why ? Number one reason? Mercedes profits have dropped due to settlements and warranty repairs because of quality issues. THey have gone from being the number one luxury marque in the world to number 6 or 7. Acura is even surpassing them in ownership satisfaction surveys. I have had 3 Benzes in the last 4 years. 2001 S500, 2002S 500, 2003 SL 500. I had enough lemons to make lemonade for the Pittsburgh Steelers for the next 50 years!!! My wife has had 2 lexus GS models that we have leased over the last 8 years. Not a single issue out of either of them. The one she has now rides like the day we bought it. MB ? Not ever again. At least not until they can build a car that I can drive with out fear of it falling apart. Lexus will be my car of choice from now on. Infinity will be a close second! I will no longer pay 6 figures for anyones automobile and then spend 20% of my time driving loaners...MB is to the new millenium what Jaguar was to the 80's. A beautiful luxurious pig of a car.....
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    To read all these negative posts. I've long admired these cars and had had planned on buying one next time I'm in the market. The Lexus LS430 is too glitzy inside...and i-Drive? No way!
    I'm stymied about what to plot for now....
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I was wondering what happened to you and your replacement S500. Really unfortunate. Do you still have the 2003 SL500? I'm scared to ask how it has held up if you still have it??

    You are exactly right about the S-Class, and what you've described isn't all that uncommon with the 2000-2002 models. The 2003+ model was gutted of the things you had problems with, especially that troublesome Comand system. Mercedes got a new supplier for it and the Airmatic suspension parts were overhauled. I'm really curious to see if there are any 2003+ S owners here and how their cars have been?

    The warranty costs for the S, ML and 2001 C-Class have come home to roost.

    M
  • aglaagla Posts: 2
    My dad likes Mercs.Had a 1987 420 sel and a 300td since last fall.he bought /traded these for a 2000 320clk with 10000 miles and it runs perfect.Also bought a 2000 s500 amg options on a 43000 miles.As of today he has had to replace the hydralic pump on the self leveling height adjustment and associated relays.He insists on buying S class but as of today he losing or lost
    complete fate in the car.I don;t know what to say- beatiful car but this is 3 pumps in three months- an insult to any mercedes owner.Anyway to delete/ drive this car without this feature or ???
    My dada wants to sell it and trade it for a e class or a BMW 5/7 series.I would like for him to stay with this car- but the quality is not what it was on his 1987 420sel. ANy more surprizes I need to know on my fathers 2000 S500.Anyway to stop this continual failure?Our mechanis says it was a poorly made oem pump Thanks agla
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    I sold the SL500 over a year ago. It was more my wife's idea.. lol. I should have kept it over this beast of a car ( S500 ) but I have kids in college now so they come first. The SL 500 did give me a few issues. CD player started operating intermittently. Roof would not lock in place a couple of times, they said it was a loose bolt. The black panel on either side of the rear window began to get caught anytime I retracted the roof and would bend and then snap back into place making a loud popping noise. That was fun! They ended up replacing both thos plastic strips or panels or whatever they call them, claiming they weren't installed properly at the factory. The tire pressure monitor had to be recalibrated. It was wayyy too sensitive. Litereally every single morning it was telling me either to add air to one tire or another. You couldnt ignore it because it lit up the dashboard in red until you hit the reset button. I paid over 100 k for that car. I loved it but I' am so over MB quality issues. I was on my way to work this morning and saw the new CLS 500. An older lady was driving it and parked at 7-11. She still had 30 day tags on it and guess why she parked in 7-11 ? She had a warning light on and was on the cell phone with the service department. I was going to tell her how beautiful a car it was and good luck with it, and she looked at me and rolled her eyes and said I'm on my way to service now!!!.. As my grandmother used to say. " Its a shame before God" They make arguably the most exciting cars in the world, but they put them together with duct tape and chewing gum....
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well that is very troubling to hear, but I think they'll sort this out. So dare I ask what you're next car will be..lol?? You still have the 2002 S500 right? Is is "fixed" now or does it still have problems?

    The CLS500 is indeed a gorgeous car with a better build than any other current Benz sedan, and the electronics should have been sorted by now, gee whiz. I wonder what warning light exactly had lit up???

    M
  • ejerodejerod Posts: 86
    Now thats something I have had trouble thinking about. I mean honestly I love the MB styling and I'm used to all the controls and everything else. But I can't sacrifice time and money running back and forth to service. I'm afraid to drive the car out of town now. I will be getting rid of the S 500 in August. I still don't like the body style of the Lexus LS430. If they did something with the body I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Im 41 and still young and not ready to resign myself to the LS430/Cadillac/Lincoln Town Car/ Buick crowd. lol. I still get carded when I go out sometimes.. I am thinking about the new INfinity SUV the Q56 or whatever it's called. Went to the showroom , got the brochure and yada yada yada. The new CLS500 is gorgeous. Even moreso up close, and the price is right, high 60's low 70's. I repeat, I will never buy another 6 figure car as long as I live. MB isn't the only company with quality issues when it comes to cars priced in air so thin people get light headed when they look at the sticker. A client of mine who has more money than Prince Charles has had his share of issues with Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lamborghini , Bentley and others. He finally just bought a bus and hired a driver and called it a day... lol. It seems that what has happened ( according to Wall Street Journal ) is MB changed its focus from quality and started focusing on market share. The philosophy being we'll give them a full warranty that will cover minor issues the car may have. Problem is the issues weren't minor at all. Almost everyone I know has had problems with the airmatic suspension. The SL's has issues with the automatic top. Everytime I go to service I see scores of new acrs in teh service department. While I don't have evidence that they are all having quality issues, I don't see as many new cars in the Chevy service department when I go to get my conversion van serviced before a family trip. Funny thing happened. Chrysler was considered the problem child of Daimler Chrysler, so they focused their resources there thinking MB would stand on its own. Then Chrysler became the cash cow with the advent of the new 300 and MB is crashing and burning. The CEO of Daimler CHrysler is slated to retire sometime in the near future ( They don't fire incompetent CEO's the give them a gazillion dollars and send the out to pasture ) and they are supposed to be replacing him with an engineer that has a reputation for quality. It will probably be at least 3 to five years before the market starts responding to quality proclamations from MB again. I for one am not buying it. I've had this car for 3 years and it's been in service for non scheduled items at least 9 times now. The 2001 that I made them buy back had been in at least 8 times in 15 months. The Sl had been in at least 3 times in less than 18 months. The SL had less that 15,000 miles on it when I sold it. I'm done.. those of you who are die hard fans or are just enamored by the styling etc... good luck.. I'm done until I see that the have returned to their roots of building quality automobiles that can last for decades.....
  • aglaagla Posts: 2
    First of all my appologies to my spelling. It was 3 am when I wrote that message the other night.I did not reread my errors! Following up on the hydralic pump failure on my dad's 2000 S500.It was the airmatic that failed 3 times in 3 months.My dad called Merecedes's main number and got a number to speak to a top warranty tech, he then acted as if these issues are odd and passed the info to the local South Florida rep about the airmatic problem.I read now this is a constant issues from various posts.I believe we are getting the run around now from MB .The post above sums up issues with Daimler/ chrysler these days.Now personally I have 2 Bmw , one with 300000
    miles since 1989 running perfectly as a work horse
    and a newer 1998 M3 that runs without any one issue for years.But the new BMW designs I can not recommend since they are so but ugly!So I do not know where to have my dad go trade in his S500.
    And frankly my dad and I do not see any japanese car as safe in a crash like a big german sedan.
    Is there an aftermarket fit to the airmatic becasue the oem stuff is horrid,Thanks AGLA
  • dornocdornoc Posts: 1
    did you end up buying this car?
    I am looking at a 1994 w/ 74,000
    curious if you had any feedback?
    i have been hearing horror stories about a/c evaporator core.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    I drove an S430 last week, and was very impressed with the smooth, quiet ride and the handling. One thing that I did not like, though, was the transmission. Driving around town, it seemed like it did a lot more hunting between gears than I'm used too. Slight changes in the accelerator position would produce upshifts or downshifts that were extremely annoying. Is this normal?

    I hear all these stories about terrible reliability of MB cars, but my brother has more than 20,000 miles on his CL600 and has never had it to the dealer for repairs. It's just one data point, but it seems significant to me. The CL600 has every bell and whistle available. I've driven it a couple of times and didn't notice any transmission problems, but it has the old 5 speed.

    One other impression: I ran a test on the S430's NAV system to see how well it would calculate a route, and I was extremely impressed with how well it did. I have not at all been impressed with the Lexus nav in my LX470. Yes, it has touch screen inputs, which is nice, but what good is that if it can't calculate good routes?
  • Hi, I've been reading alot of these messages and finally decided to register and say something myself about Mercedes.

    Mercedes Benz is probably the best car ever made in my opinion. It was the first car I ever sat in the driver's seat of when I was little and I drive one to school. (yeah I drive the car to my highschool) Yeah my dad bought me a 1986 M-Benz 420 SEL with about 120 k miles. and I'm only 17 years old! This car is in mint condition, the former owners were senior citizens and obviously kept good care of the car seeing that there's absolutely no rust or any signs of damage to the engine. I will probably trade this car in for a year 2000 or up S500 or S600 as soon as I finish going through Air Force basic training, complete four years of active Air Force duty then save up for a down payment for one.

    I was also wondering how I could add more horsepower to this car...I was thinking about adding another air intake system but then I'd have to re do the muffler system as well to get all that air out efficiently.
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