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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • jason64jason64 Posts: 50
    Hi dunninla, and those who have lowered their cars, if you lower the car without changing the shocks, aren't you concerned about the premature wear on them? Does anyone know how long the factory shocks last? Thanks for your reply.
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  • svinaiksvinaik Posts: 84
    Finally got the thing sorted out. Fuel Pump was the culprit. It was producing a constant humming noise in the area around the jump seats in the wagon. Dealer changed the Fuel pump and the Fuel filter and the noise vanished immediately.
  • vs4vs4 Posts: 70
    Could someone please let me know if decorating a 2001 E430 for wedding purpose by some of decorating shops or decorating the car by using a tape will harm the paint/finishing in anyway.

    If someone has better idea to use a particular product, please let me know.

    Thanks in advance.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    got a loaner with 5k miles on it, just like my 430. It gets 23.5 mpg vs 20.4 for mine. IM sure loaners get beaten on a little more. 6 vs 8: power band different, but 320 is certainly quick enough, and does the job. I long thought 320 is an excellent engine, and it performs well for our ml320. Biggest difference is tires and wheel size. As many have commented after change, it changes character of car. 320 with 16' wheels is very smooth, quiet and corners nice. Actually body roll not as apparent. 320 configuration is excellent and lacks nothing. 17 wheel gives better grip, a more road feel (good and bad), and heavier feel. This is just a simple observation i thought I would share.

    Question: some here have lowered the car with new springs. the other half would be to add stabilizer bars. What if just the bars were added? I don't care about cosmetic advantage of lowering (im sure it looks great!), but springs vs. stabil bars performance wise, what are the pros and cons of just doing one or the other??
  • jason64jason64 Posts: 50
    While driving on the freeway at a constant speed, if I "punch" the gas pedal hard and try to accelerate, the car tends to "pause" momentarily before responding. My service advisor says it is normal due to its wireless design (instead of mechanical leakages). Does anyone else has the same problem? Thanks for your input in advance.
  • fishxprtfishxprt Posts: 21
    I also have a problem with momentary pause. Every morning I back out of the driveway and after I put the tarns in I and put the pedal there is a definite pause before the car moves.
    This only happens in the morning and may have something to do with the car being cold.
    I have read on the Owners I class site that they have many problems with the I class stalling and acting like the power is turned off. Has anyone had a similar problem with the I class?
  • fishxprtfishxprt Posts: 21
    I ment to refer to the "C" class site that has problems with stalling!!
  • tendonstendons Posts: 43
    There is a lag of an eighth to maybe a quarter of a second when I push down suddenly on the E55 and it also happens on the BMW 740s 2001. It's enough so that I wind up thinking "what?" and almost about to depress the accelarator again, when it "catches". This happned once when there was a hole in traffic that I thought I could punch through, in the bmw, and found myself without power for that short, but slightly freightening quarter of second.
    According to the service tech, there is no longer a mechanical linkage and strangely the computer takes a little bit of time to make a decision to retard ignition, change fuel input and other things that used to be simple. It's annoying at times.
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Posts: 336
    Changed out the complete BOSE system in my 99 e300. (Have since sold it). My backround includes over 20 yrs. of audio experience & was extremely disappointed with the factory system.

    Good sound comes thru your ears,not thru your feet & that is where the factory system is located @ the base of the doors. Proper sound quality can never be acheived form this design.

    Take a good look @ the A pillar. You will see a small metal grill. Also look @ the extreme ends of the dash & you will see grills. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS IN EITHER LOCATION!!!. Even more interesting is that if you remove these grills there are mountings for speakers,but NOTHING IS THERE! This goes a long awy to explain the poor sound quality.

    Also there are not 8 speakers in the system as advertised. Only 6!!. One pair of speakers are "dual cone" and therfore counted as being 4.

    My salesman is pretty sharp did not realize this until I asked him to put his ear to the A pillar & hear nothing.

    The remendy. Tore out the complete Bose system & the AM/FM/CASSETTE head. Mounted 3 way system in the dash/A pillar/door. Mounted a subwoofer in the rear package shelf(trunk mounted). Installed a new in dash AM/FM/CD player. In dash cassette without CD is stone age technology. Never missed the cassette.

    NO PROBLEMS with any MB systems. Recommend that this type of upgrade only be done by a HIGH END installer who is used to working on HIGH END cars.
  • keikoe55keikoe55 Posts: 24
    can anyone direct me where I can get the ext warranty for My wife's 2000 E class
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Thanks for your opinion. Those who look to update will find your notes helpful.

    The 2000 and 01 versions with teleaid have speakers in the dash. They are for the teleaid.

    I agree with alot of your opinion. I believe when bose tuned the interior they could have done alittle better. The speaker grill that is empty at the A pillar appears to me to be a vented port which does empty some mid range sound. At least that what my ear is telling me when I put it to the grill. I notice some higher sounds omit from there, but its very ambient, or sort of "surround" effect. While not as efficient as a tweeter, it does offer a smooth transition of sounds. To tear out system would disrupt the teleaide system. Some might not care, but it would permanently disable teleaide integration with the sound system. Also, the newer models have many controls on the steering wheel and changing head unit would also disable its (sound system) use. I think the bose system works well and gives a good result. The individual pieces are not as good as aftermarket, but I don't know if the end result is worth the trouble, and at a price of losing steering controls and teleaid. A likely upgrade would be to re-amp and respeaker but keep the head unit on 00' and 01' models. Those with phone or command would not want to lose those options either. I find the low end satisfactory with the two woofers in the rear deck. There are 2 ports that could take another woofer each. In the s class, they do have them filled with woofers. I do wonder if adding the additional woofer might be too much, throwing the system out of balance. Also the empty holes may allow for venting of low range back from the trunk. Personally I do not want a "thump mobile."
    Changing the four hi-mid speakers could help, but it might become to bright with more effiecent speaker. I don't know the power supply ratings for the amps, and as you know one would need to make sure it works well together.
    In all, I am satisfied with set up and realize that cost would weigh heavy in redoing the system. Adding to much brightness would leave a hole in the mid range. The bass level could be in need of upgrading, and then you have more costs. The thinking behind bose is to derive more from less.

    As I said, I agree with most of your opinion but relative to the new models, there are other considerations. I also know they changed the head unit in either 99 or 00'. The amps and cd unit are hooked up via fiber optics. Its clean. I think that pre 00' models could benefit from your upgrade suggestion without losing other features.

    By the way, what are you driving now?? Im sure it has a hell of a system for sound!
  • dman12dman12 Posts: 9
    Call Lisa Lehrbaum at Courtesy Motors Auto Center at 1-800-655-3535. This is a MB dealer in Chico, Ca. They sell the extended MB warranties at very nice discounts, and Lisa is very easy to deal with. I bought mine from her and I believe several others from this board have bought from her also. They seem to be the only dealer in the country who will budge from the retail price.

    Good luck.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    dman12 got it right regarding warranty discounts. There are a few other dealers who will offer discounts, but not for the low prices from Lisa. And remember that you MUST purchase the MB extended warranty during your first year of ownership.

    greasykid1 and bargammon -- I think I'm fortunate to be completely satisfied with the Bose audio in my '00 E320. After years of being exposed to jet engine noise as a fighter pilot (and the resultant hearing loss, which I've never noticed), I've been told not EVER to invest in expensive stereo equipment. So, the Bose system, to me, sounds terrific!
  • tendonstendons Posts: 43
    The car is wonderfully powerful , but at speeds over 90-100 there is an almost wallowing, not quite, but the car sort of goes slightly from side to side, up and down when you turn the steering wheel slightly from side to side. Someone into racing cars said it's like the body doesn't follow the direction of the wheels for a quarter or one half a second. The car has 3000 miles with Dunlop sp9000. I had it in for alignment because it drifted slightly to the right, but nothing wrong was found.I had a 93 500e and it felt"hunkered down" at higher speeds, but this one causes furrowing of the brow; it just doesn't seem as stable. Anyone else with anything like this?
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  • 4426444264 Posts: 67
    With the Michelin Pilot Sports
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    This hearkens back to an issue I raised at this site some months ago-no responses,though.
    If you go back to Automobile Magazine's "Four Seasons"(don't know which issue from 1998 it was,but it had a yellow prototype of the new Beetle-summer issue?)report on the E320,they were quite dissatisfied with the steering and the ensuing wander. Overall,the were rather lukewarm about the car.
    Each year,I've been expecting mention of a change in specification-there's been none.
    Does anyone recall this article?Has this issue been resolved?
  • sequoiasaurussequoiasaurus Posts: 240
    My wife and I are looking at purchasing a used E Class sedan. I would like to know if anyone has any recommendations as far as what year is better in the 1996 to 1999 timeframe.

    I realize that a 99 is likely to have lower mileage than a 97. But if I find a 97 with low mileage and it is in good condition would that be good.

    I guess I'm looking for things like options, production problems, etc that may not be obvious to someone who hasn't followed the E class line since being redone in 1996.
  • AlirobAlirob Posts: 17
    The display on the dash of my 2000 E320 wagon does not show the trip computer. I can scroll through the various other functions, but the trip computer never shows. Anyone else have such a problem?
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    How do you define "trip computer"? I have a 2000 E320 sedan, and I don't believe my car has a trip computer (similar to the one in the BMW). Are you referring to the fuel computer (MPG for various situations, gallons in tank, etc.)?
  • AlirobAlirob Posts: 17
    On pages 98 and 99 of my operator's manual it describes the functioning of the "Trip Computer". As mbdriver suggests, it is supposed to tell you mpg, gallons in tank, etc.
  • 4426444264 Posts: 67
    If you press the up or down arrow at the screen where it shows you your car's total mileage to date, you'll see the gallons in take and range.

    The resettable mpg is on a separate page.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    on "page" that show odometer miliage, shows a trip also. If you hit the r button on the dash to the left of gauges (hold for 3 sec.) it resets.

    Or read the owner manual.

    Have yet to take my 430 over 85mph. wallowing could depend on surface or if road is graded for rain falloff. In that, some roads are tilted. I think AMG has different springs and stabil bars than standard set up. If so, reviews would not be relevent.

    Used 97-98-99??? 98 got new engine, 99 electronics upgrade. Read Edmunds for each year to understand. low milage 99's with starmark are expensive, but value is individual choice. The right car at a higher price is better than the wrong car cheap, and then spending on repairs. Don't want aggrivation to dilute your motoring experience.
  • waltowalto Posts: 34
    I have a '00 E320.

    I too have noticed a delay in "kickdown" with the accelerator pedal. In fact, the shift from fifth to fourth is instantaneous--so quick you can miss it. It is the further kickdown to third or second that is slow. I talked to the dealer about it and they said that if I remained unhappy with it, they could take me for a drive and reprogram it with a laptop. My solution in the meanwhile is the terrific click-left-click-right manual mode. I'll probably try the reprogramming at the next service.

    On the high-speed stability issue, I think there are three very distinct problems. When I took delivery of my car, I was horrified at the stability at even 60 mph. My previous '93 300E was on rails, and stability actually improved with speed as the car squatted on the suspension.

    The first of these three issues is the steering: it is too quick and the center position is poorly defined. It's as if the front suspension lacks caster. So, some of the "instability" is simply too much driver input. Try driving the car with one finger on the wheel and stability will improve. You can then learn to drive with a normal grip. This problem seems aggravated by small body movements in response to crosswinds which actually do not upset the tracking of the car. Learn not to respond to these.

    The second issue is the wheel-tire combination. Changing the stock wheels for an AMG 17" wheel and the stock MXV-4 205-55-16 for a YOKO DB 235-45-17 has improved the tracking to the point that it is impeccable. This is the reason, I believe, that the E430 never received this criticism. With this wheel/tire combination, the high speed stability and steering response are excellent. I imagine that the shorter sidewall is largely the issue here.

    Finally, the year 2000 "facelift" of this car has passed unappreciated. Everything from the base of the windshield forward is new, including a lowering of the engine in the chassis by about 3/4". This was done to lower the center of gravity and allow changes in the bodywork to improve the aerodynamics and high speed stability. It worked. Unlike the pre-2000 cars, the later ones squat with increased speed and are fine. Too bad MB took this long to deal with the problem.

    My only final recommendation on stability would be to slightly stiffen the shock dampening. This would reduce the body twitching (in response to wind gusts) and the impression of instability that comes from this. When Bilstein has the heavy duty aftermarket units for this car, I'll replace them.
  • waltowalto Posts: 34
    . . . and the Bose sounds fine to me. It's not what I have at home, the ambient noise in the car makes this moot to me. Also, are people making a distinction between the two levels of Bose in these cars? (The standard and the "premium" that is part of the E2 package.)
  • slugger4slugger4 Posts: 7
    My wife was in an accident in her new e320 yesterday. She was hit by a Chavy Cavalier in the drivers side rear wheel. The guy ran a red light. She is fine - no airbags deployed. She said it felt incredibly solid when she was hit. The l/r wheel was pushed in and there was some damage to the body right behind the wheel. The repair shop gave us an estimate of $2800. They said most of the cost is for suspension/control arms to be replaced. He doesn't recommend replacing the left rear quarter panel because he thinks he can pull out the dent and reshape the area. I asked if he should replace the whole panel and he said since it is welded and not bolted in place, ther is a risk cutting the panel out and causing additional damage. Does this sound right to any of you? Should I insist on replacing the whole quarter panel? I don't like the idea of my Benz having bondo and fillers.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    For what it's worth, my 96 E was rear ended 2 years ago and the entire rear was replaced. The body shop did a magnificent job. Unless you dig up the repair history through MB, you'd never know it wasn't original factory... My only complaint was they actually left a couple footprints on the trunk carpet liner.. Which they then vacuumed up..!

    I might consider bondo on an 81 Benz, but not an 01... Insist that the other guy's insurance company cover the new rear quarter...
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  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    I have to both disagree and agree with walto on the stability of the 2000 E320. In February I took an extended trip (165 miles, all Interstate), and my 2000 E320 handled beautifully at 80-95 mph. Unlike walto's, it tracked well, was extremely stable, and the steering response seemed intuitive. In short, it was solid as a rock. I even got 28 mpg! But my tires were 215/55-16 Contis, not 205/55-16 Michelin, like walto's (a mistake by walto in reporting tire size, perhaps?).

    Then, about six weeks ago, I upgraded to 17" 5-spoke E Style MB alloys and Yoko AVS dB 235/45-17 tires. With this change, I agree wholeheartedly with walto. Everything improved dramatically, even the appearance of the car, but especially the driving feel! Someone in this forum said recently that the E-Class was probably designed for the 17" wheel/tire combo, and to differentiate from the more expensive E430, the E320 was given smaller wheels and tires. I believe it.

    Bottom line -- if anyone is unhappy with the handling of an E320, go for the 17" wheel/tire upgrade. It will make a world of difference.
  • jason64jason64 Posts: 50
    The FSS on my 01 E320 has been giving out "lamp defective, check lamps" warnings when I drive it at night. But every time I checked all the outside and inside lights (including foglights, license plate lights, inside mood lights, etc), I couldn't find anything wrong??? Does anyone else have a similar experience? Thanks for your reply.
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