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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • 2ndmb2ndmb Posts: 72
    I can understand your patriotic spirit but you're thinking too much. You are buying a product made by craftsman in Germany, not the government. Certainly over the years Americans have overlooked the Pearl Harbor attacks and buy lots of Honda's, Toyota's, etc...This is a snapshot in time and will pass. I wanted to support my fellow Americans 3 years ago and bought a Chrysler Van for the wife, gee what a P.O.S. that has been. By what you like, that's the best part of being an American, freedom of choice. Just my humble opinion.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Stedon, the last time I used my spare (full size) was way back in 1981 on an Oldsmobile. Honestly, why carry the extra weight of a full size spare that will only take up more room. Spares are rarely used? I like my small donut in my 2000 E430 Sport just fine!

  • beepabeepa Posts: 12
    Well "New" owner, not new car. I just purchased a 1999 Mercedes-Benz E320 4MATIC AWD Sedan w/26K. This was a HUGE decision, mainly because for the last 20 yrs. or so I've owned trucks, vans or an SUV (all domestic). My wife's past few cars have been Volvo's, Audi's and presently, a 98 BMW 528. After getting over the hump of not buying another truck, I test drove Saab, Acura, Lexus and lastly, the E320. It was love at first drive! I told my wife, if I'm going into a car, this is it! I'm purchasing a 5yr/100000mi extended warranty because of the stories I've heard, with regards to costs for repairs and I'm not wealthy. The car is fully loaded, even has Satellite Navigation. I'm picking it up tomorrow and will post impressions and/or issues later.
    Nice to be aboard.......I hope!
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    If I remember right, there was a lot of upgrades and change in the 320 in 2000 that you might want to look at.

    You shouldn't have paid more than the very low 20's for a 1999 320. Navigation technology moves very quickly and like cell phones is behind the curve very quickly. You can tell that by looking at any of the museum quality built-in phones in a 95 or 96 MB.

    Make sure the car has service records and that you are ok with the dealer. Make sure that the warranty is Starmark from Mercedes and goes for 5 years from NOW and up to 100K from now.
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    Welcome to this Board and congratulations for the new car. I am also driving a 99 E320 4matic since fall 1998. It still drives like the first day and I'm never bored with it. Enjoy your ride.
  • I got delivery of my new E about two weeks ago and basically love the car. Took me just a few days to cut a corner to close and damage the rear tire. Fortunately it's a Continental so hopefully I'll find one. (As an aside, does anyone know if the Continental has a one year road hazard guaranty?). The reason I am posting, however, is to express my anger and incredible disgust that I bought this over priced car with A TEMPORARY SPARE. WHAT KIND OF RIDICULOUSNESS IS THAT? I haven't had a temporary spare since my daughter's mid 80's Celica. I have a full size spare on the my wife's 2001 C320 and have had full size spares on the BMW's and Lexus I've owned. Have they no shame? Raise the price and put a full size spare in. Just venting. Thanks for listening. (It does take the bloom off the rose---where else did they skimp?)
  • beepabeepa Posts: 12
    And I'm sure 2001 is better than a 2000 and a 2002 is better than....well you get the picture. You seem to quite the authority footie. However, if your 'price quotes' are true, I'd like to know where you got them. I've checked &, unless it's a high mileage vehicle, the price I paid was well within line of the norm. And yes, I trust the dealer explicitly. Bought our last 4 vehicles from him.
    Thank you jean7of9 for the welcome.
  • Last Oct my 2000 E320(had about 38k miles at the time) started having an awful rattle.....almost sounded like a diesel. I took it to a dealer and was told the catalytic convertor had to be replaced...under warranty so no problem.....well, here it is 4 months later and the same rattle is back....I looked at the service invoice and saw that the laft catalytic convertor had been could this be the right one? I didn't know there were 2....haven't been to the dealer yet to have this checked on but I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem......I only have about 10k miles left on my warranty and I am very scared of problems like this happening when I will have to pay for them...

    Also....while it was at the dealer in was discovered during a routine inspection that the dashboard was cracked.....I hadn't noticed it....the crack was on the passenger side right above and going into the groove for the passenger airbag..very tiny ....I kinda thought the tech must have known what to look for or else he was just lucky...or maybe it's just an example of MB taking extra care their customers...I was wondering if anyone else had had a dashboard replaced due to a crack similar to this?

  • I had a 1998 E320 4-Matic which I sold in late 2000 (purchased a 2001 S500). I did have a crack in the dashboard at the passenger side airbag area on the E320. From my understanding, this has been a common problem on the 1996-2002 E class cars.
  • finadvfinadv Posts: 59
    Congrats on the "new" car. I drive a '98 E320 4Matic and its awesome. Pay no attention to footie. He's also been spotted on the Corolla board bashing new Toyota's. Hmmm.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Take a look at msg #4516 in this forum. Useful info on the number and kind of changes from 99 to 2000 - 2001.

    I just use prices in Boston Globe, ebay, etc. for car's actual value. What you pay for is your choice.

    Remember invoice - holdback (2-3%) on a new MB is what your new MB is worth the instant you take title, because the dealer isn't going to buy it back for more than he can buy it from MB for right away.

    Dealer trade prices and auction prices tend to reflect this offset from new pricing throughout the first 5 - 6 years of a car's life.

    So if a dealer can go pick up a 1999 320 coming off of a 4 year lease for $19 - 20K or less, that's what the car is worth. What you pay that's higher than that is your personal decision.

    Recent trades on ebay for example:

    Item # 2402654886 a 1998 E-320. at $18,700 the reserve is met and the car will sell today.

    Speaking of high mileage, there's a 1999 320 with 104K on it (just getting broken in as they'd say) on ebay now. The current price is $14,200 at no reserve.

    There's a 1999 AWD 320 with 65K with a buy it now price of $23,900 with Bose CD rear shade. see - - =2402423413 ...

    BTW..I love Toyota's despite what findav says. Toyota has the best manufacturing process on the planet. But there's a major issue with Corollas and Matrix's regarding sulfur smells in the cars and I have been active in posting there. to encourage people to chase Toyota for resolution. If Mercedes stank like swamp gas you might feel similarly motivated.

    So there!

    Never any offense intended here or there. Just the facts.
  • thanks for your reply mtrauman....I thought maybe it had been a problem for the technician to have found it.....I'm glad to know they were looking for it...I never would have seen it.....after the dash was replaced however the ashtray door and the other storage door won't close.....but that will be taken care when I get the catalytic converter repaired again.....
  • finadvfinadv Posts: 59
    #302 of 330 Toyota quality going down fast by footie Jan 20, 2003 (12:10 pm)

    I think that there's a lot of evidence that Toyota 'quality' is going down very fast across their product line.

    Wait until they start building the new Lexus RX330 in Canada and it gets hammered by problems.

    The best Toyota's to buy aren't new ones.
  • I was just about to pick up a 2003 e500 and the dealer just warned me that they just received a communications from the factory that the retrofitting that they were going to do on the nave in april is been put on hold indefinitely. Has anyone heard anything about this or is the dealer trying to sell me out of the nav. I was supposed to pay 1600 up front and have it installed later. Love to hear from anyone with facts.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Thanks, Findav

    I do love'em but still think that they are letting their quality slide across the board. I still root for them to, but I also encourage all owners to stay in their faces about QA issues.

    I talk with one of my sales manager friends at New England's largest Toyota franchise as another benchmark. His take is that the problem level has risen significantly since 1999. Seeing the Camry and Corolla lose or drop places in the JDPower surveys is also a confirmation.

    They can get away with lower quality now than it took to penetrate the market here. Toyota fans like me need to stay on them to keep the benchmark high.

    They have a significant supplier education problem here in the U.S. that takes a long time to get up to speed. That's why they have special center in Kentucky to teach them the 'way'. The transition to increasingly high % of domestic content takes its toll.

    The Corollas and Matrix coming out of Canada are good but have had nagging 'little problems' that Toyota owners aren't used to. The new Lexus RX330 will be a significant challenge.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Um, the Toyota conversations are thataway --->

  • beepabeepa Posts: 12
    Believe me, it takes a LOT more than that to offend me. I did check out e-bay (why anyone would make a purchase like that on the Internet is beyond me --- & I own a computer store!) but the ones I saw were of "high mileage" 75k +, mine has 26k. Be that as it may, I love my new Benz --- so far and am satisfied with the price & dealer. On another note, I happen to have NAV in mine (love it!) and it takes the spot in the center console where the ashtray normally is. I don't smoke but I do use the lighter for my radar detector and cell phone charger (I'm not using the one that came with the car). Does anyone know if there is a retro fit for a power source adapter????
  • joeadpjoeadp Posts: 68
    WSJ article on a Dentist who purchased a car for over 75K and lost everything.

    The scam put the money in a trust account while the transaction closes.

    The trust account was owned by the thief.

    Lesson no money till you pick up the merchandise.
    Ebay also offers a holding account until the deal closes.

    I guess my point to Footie if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. You get what you pay for.
  • tusstuss Posts: 11
    could you post the wsj article, or the link to it on this site . . .I tried to look at it but couldn't find it.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    That was a dentist who was purchasing a 55K M5, which retails for 75k+. He sent money to 10 different accounts upon request, and did not pay attention to a number of signs that may have indicated problem. For one thing, it would have cost him 55k just to Federalize German spec car to OBDII. Grey import for a 96+ model year is just not worth the effort, and you will spend more money.
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