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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • Has anyone had problems with the outside temperature display being erratic???...although I've only got 2,500 miles on the car, it just started being inaccurate...sometimes it's ok and then it'll shoot up over 10 degrees of what it actually is outside...I know it's a small thing, but it drives me nuts...does anyone know where the sensor may be???...thanks
  • Microrepair... What are OEM spark plugs? Any benefits with platnium plugs? Could it be that you used something other than OEM which allowed you to go 85K without changing spark plugs. Thanks for your input
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Rosch2000, I have 2000 E430 and my temp sensor is at the front bumper if I'm not mistaken. I'm amazed at how accurate the sensor can be. When I'm listening to the radio driving down the street and the weather guy/gal gives the outside temp, 99.9% of the time that's what my sensor is displaying (also true for my 2002 ML500). I have found to really trust it.

     

    When you say erratic, at what point does that happen?

     

    If the car is sitting at a traffic light it might increase from the engine heat. If it's sitting in the sun, it can go up 30-40 degrees.

     

    Mark
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    The plugs that lasted 85K came from the factory. I don't recall what the brand was but I installed either AC or Champion and they were still doing fine when I sold the car at 140K miles.. So that was 55K on those plugs.. And Bosch may be even better.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I've had exactly the same experience as mark156 on both of the E's I've owned. At a traffic light or parked in the sun, the sensor will indicate anywhere from 2 to 20 degrees higher, temporarily. Once in motion for a minute or so, the temp reading becomes very accurate again. Always within one degree F.
  • micro and marc: thanks for the insight...a salesperson at the dealership told me tonight that she thought the sensor was in the front bumper as well...she also mentioned that readings could be off due to heat from the road, etc...thanks, again...I appreciate the comments and help.
  • My previously owned 2001 E320 had a temperature display that became erratic after only about 10000 miles. The dealer replaced the entire instrument cluster under warranty. Of course, the actual temperature will vary depending on the vehicle movement as discussed above.
  • Hi Tony,

     

    I was looking to get a E320 4matic? Is this a 4matic and who is the dealer?

     

    Thanks/John

    jonnywayne@hotmail.com
  • Has anyone had trouble with scalloping on the outer shoulder of the front tires? I have a 1999 E320. Last year I was told I had defective front ball joints (lots of "play"). Dealer replaced them 5000 miles ago and I bought new Michelins. Now, I'm beginning to see signs of scalloping that are similar to what I had before.
  • I have a 2000 E320 with 99k miles. A couple of years ago it was reading 30 degrees over the actual temp. I brought it in and they said the sensor was loose. They fixed it under warranty and then it was fine. Now for the past year or so (of course out of warranty) the cluster reading for both temp and time don't work. I haven't wanted to replace ($625) but I may before I sell it next year.
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    hi MB folks i am not to familiar with MB products exept ive always wanted one while ,my friends at 16 wanted camaros and mustangs grand prixs and so on, i wanted a used MB well ten years have past and still no MB, now I can get my hands on about 20k which i know wont even make a down pay on a new one, but i still love MB old style cars to, and rather than get an also-ran 20 thousand dollar car i want a nice used Benz, which one is best,,that 20k can buy i do need a 4door and i think i like the 300E maybe, I thought lexus but they are such wannabee Benz, i cant stand them,I drove an old Audi 5000! back in hi school which i loved but was stolen and totaled out, i know audi is no Mb but i loved the way my audi drove and handled, It looked sweet to for a sedan that was an 1987 audi 5000/100 model, I have my heart set on a MB ,,any advice on what 20k can buy in the MB family,,thanks,,Sean
  • 1. I've got the same int/ext colors & use only the factory carpeted mats (Although I did get an extra set still in the garage for when the original ones are shot) I went thru last winter with the carpeted mats. They are simple to clean with Blue Coral Dri-Clean Upholstery Cleaner & a terry washcloth. I use it on the door sils/carpets & mats. Your color combo is exquisite, black rubber mats will kill the interior look of the car. If you want to look at black rubber, go for a ride in a Taxi! Don't sweat the Stone interior. It cleans right up. Passengers DO have to make a habit of getting into & out of the car without letting their shoes hit the high sills & kick panels.

     

    2. Get the OEM Sirius radio installed. I was one of the 1st to do it. I have the black antenna on the trunk lid. Thats the price you pay for being an early adopter. You will NEVER listen to Broadcast radio again! Think of it as a Badge of Honor. You next car will have the next generation of antenna. This antenna will not hurt your resale value any, since given the choice between 2 cars identical in every way, the next buyer will choose the Satellite equipped car. It will be more mainstream by then anyway.

     

    3. Wait for the '05 MB integrated phone to be available. These cars are not designed to be fooled with by aftermarket people. (Hell, the MB folks have a hard enough time understanding the convoluted German Engineering) You will be opening a can of worms you won't be able to close. I have the '04 w/ MB V60 integrated phone w/ Voice & can tell you it works flawlessly every time. The Voice ID is virtually bullet proof. I only use voice on a certain few numbers, but using the "phone Book" feature is EZ. These are extremely overly complex cars, the less undocumented stuff you do to them, the better.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Hey Sean. It seems to me, you can get an 96-99 E320 for close to $20k, maybe a little less depending on the miles of course. Try and find the cleanest/lowest mile unit available.

     

    Have you thought about a C230/C220? The new body style came out in 2002 and I would think the earlier models would run close to $20k or less. To me, even the previous style C-class is nice looking.

     

    You compared the Mercedes to the Lexus in your previous post. Lexus are great cars but just don't have the "look". Even as a Mercedes ages, they seem to get keep their "panache", especially if they are kept clean and waxed regularly.

     

    My old style 1991 560SEL had such a distinctive look. It was 9 years old when I traded it.

     

    Good luck on your search! Mark
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    man they are beautifull machines, we have a independent MB shop here that also runs a small lot for mercedes only, he has about 10 benzez at any given time, all in superb condition, but every one has TONS of miles but lok next to brand new, I there is something i like about the old school big benz, the big turbo-diesel, From what i see the thing i should watch out for is electrical systems in the benz, otherwise i see very little common problems, but i havent searched very long,i know in my audi i had some annoyin alec problems, but none that made the car inoperable,,i also like the 7series bmw before they messed with the style. i know lexus does some fine work, but the ones i can afford look to japanese. does the number on MB directly state the engine size? ie: 300E 3.0 6?
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    First, let me correct myself... the current C-class came out in 2001 not '02. A friend of mine bought an '02 and it was a great car but, sadly, he went back to Lexus. He had to get back on the porch because he couldn't run with the big dogs anymore... LOL!

     

    Sean, the engine sizes sometimes correspond to the numbers and sometimes they don't. For instance, my friend who bought the 2002 C240, had a 2.6 liter engine. The S600's are actually a 5.8 liter engine. Otherwise, most of the new Mercedes automobiles match the existing badges for engine size.

     

    Before 1994, Mercedes used the "number" in front of the letters. A "300" was the current "E" but might have a 2.6 liter engine. The old "C-class" was the 190e... so, "190" was the designation because it listed an "E" too as the next model above.

     

    If I'm not mistaken (I'm sure someone will correct me), but the letters back then meant either "E" for engine and "D" for diesel. A 500 SEL would be the "class" (and maybe engine size) but the S was the "top of the line" and "E" was for engine, and "L" was for Long wheelbase. Remember the "300 SDL", for the diesel? If the "L" was missing, it was a short wheelbase.

     

    Mark
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    but it has to be a 4door also, i figure for my first MB i should find the newest model 20k can buy, which is the 300? I think they are all sweet, do MB engines generally run a long time? does anybody have experince with independent type MB mechanics? ther is one here that servies MB only which makes me think he knows these machines well, thanks for your help ,Sean
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    What do you think

    1997 E320 57K 17,300

    1998 E320 66K 17,999

    1998 E430 64K 19,350

    2000 E320 61K 23,997

    2001 E320-4matic 51K 24,990

    I wish 2005 E320 1,000Kmiles 53,250

    seems a 1998 E320 would be in my range.thanks Sean
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Sean, just to keep in mind.... starting with the year 2000, the "E" had many updates, which included the steering wheel controls (mini computer, radio volume controls, phone), turning signal indicators in the side mirrors, front hood lowered about an inch and a half, trunk lid has a deeper lip on the edge, tail-lights changed, front bumper is smoother and the computer gives you an oil change monitor and measures the oil level.

     

    Maybe next spring the 2000 or newer "E" can be had for $20,000.

     

    Mark
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    in your price range right now, but Mark is right, by next spring the 2000 should be available for about 20K.

    Other neat upgrades in 2000 were a foolproof trunk remote opener (on my 96, I accidentally opened the trunk instead of the rear window a couple of times; most embarassing while moving!), the tilt down right hand rear view mirror and the 5 speed automatic w/touch shift. I bought a 2001 last April and am still learning about new features/upgrades almost weekly. It is a really significant step up, so if you can wait until they come down to the 20K range, I say wait..

    But keep in mind that starting in 98, the "320" is the newer V6, also an improvement over the straight 6. So a 99 should be in your price range right now.

    Good hunting..
  • Does anyone have experience with a service warranty company named "Automotive Service Warranty Group"? I am considering an extended warranty for my '01 E-430 and am skeptical of private warranty companies. Thanks
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    in my 10 years driving i 've heard time and time over if your going for extra warranty either Save your own money for repairs or only go with a ext warranty backed by the car maker, in fact 2 larger warranty company just folded, I learned when i put an ext warranty on my previous car, and they will be hapy to take your Money but when you ask for service its just not worth it, they will find any reason to deny or delay payment, or not even aknowledge your phone calls, basically i got a $300 repair for 1,400 outa my pocket, STAy away from Heritage TPA they suck and kept my 1,000, and took 3 months for that one $300 repair..go with Manufacturer Warrranty...IMHO sean
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Donald, I agree with Sean, save your money. My E430 sport has been out of warranty for a little over a year with only 28,000 miles on the odometer. I had to replace a rear window regular recently at the cost of about $180. The dealer replace both of my sunvisors under warranty and when the drivers side vanity mirror cover broke off again, they replaced it for free out of warranty because Mercedes has had trouble with these. I'm assuming if they break again, I might have to pay the $225 for replacement. Also, I'm sure something like that wouldn't be covered under an extended warranty.

     

    To get your money out of an extended warranty, you would have to have an unusual breakdown. But, if you absolutely want a warranty, the manufacturers warranty is that way to go.

     

    Mark
  • Ok, don't yell but I'm torn between a brand new Honda Accord with satellite radio & navigation (do you really use it) or a used MB E320 with about 30 miles for about 33k. I am like sean3. I've always wanted a MB but is it wise to buy one at 30 some odd miles. I see that people on this board are still driving them at about 100k miles. Is that for real? Appreciate your comments. Anything I should look out for if I see a used 2003 or 2002 E320 for under or about 35k? Thanks.
  • sean3sean3 Posts: 158
    in my quest to find the latest lowest mileage MB in my pricerange, I think I will get a C class, I was behind one tonight and It was nice looking, I wanted E, but first me being a first time MB,2.6 V6, Luvcars: any car let alone a MB should go 100Kmiles these days, your comment about the accord my friend has an '03 accord w/evrything leather/nav/sat/ 4door Nice car, but different design theme than MB, personally the new accord is kind of slad sided goofy looking, awesome interior though, V-6, I know i was considering one of those to but the idea of owning a used MB is to strong that I know MB will be my next car, sounding like a car add but, when i see a MB it ignites my soul! man the AMG whoa thats a monster. since i've been driving I've always admired MB style, and more than 7 years later I have a chance to get one, and I will very soon, I am so excited, I already know the insurance will cost $ about 2300 a year on the C-class, but at 25 should go down some, there main reason was Theft and cost of parts, as I do have a fairly good drive record.

           As far as reliability the only thing that concerns me is the bad marks they give the C class in electrical system but seems like that would be something figured out early in the cars life. Thanks for talking to me, gotta go to the C class peeps, Let me know what you think about C class MB...later, Sean oh all those Mercedes Holidaycomercials making me more anxious!
  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    You have to chose between being practical (Honda) or satisfy your lust for an MB (I assume you meant w/ 30k miles). With the latter, you'll face much higher maintenance costs and, God help you if you run into something major (like a new transmission out of warranty). That being said, there is great pleasure in driving control and the status of the MB and my guess is that you're looking for on line support for your decision and that you'll go for it. Life is short - you only go around once.

     

    As for something to look out for - if the price seem way below market, check the history of the car and, in any event, have an unbiased professional give it a thorough inspection. It's good insurance. If you buy from a dealer with Starmark (warranty) you'll pay extra but this also is good insurance. If not, just be prepared for some unexpected high maintenance cost.

     

    I'm on my second E320 and never regretted the purchase of either. Happy driving in '05.
  • vicvvicv Posts: 41
    Hi cmosian,

     

    I understand that it's hard to avoid with wide tires, but can be minimized. Most folks say rotation is the answer, but in my experience that only spreads the scalloping to all four tires. I recently put new tires on my C5 Corvette (which had really bad scalloping on the inside of the front tires) and had it aligned by someone I could talk with. Since I don't flog it much, I don't need all the negative camber up front, so we took most of it out. Your problem is the outer shoulders which could be too much positive camber and/or excessive toe-in. I would suggest you contact an aftermarket Corvette or other specialty car garage (NOT a Chevy or OEM dealer!!!) and get a referral for a place that can set up your MB to your driving habits and check out existing tire wear. A good alignment person will drive your car and talk with you before even putting your car on the rack. We replaced a Catera that ate through tires at an alarming rate with an 04 E320. I've been watching the tires closely and, just to be safe, have been rotating them @ 5k mile intervals as well. And I should heed my own advice and take it in for alignment before a tire problem develops. Good luck.

     

    Vic
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I too am on my second E320. My first had 37K miles and I kept it to 140K. At 115K I spent a little over $3,000 on a head gasket, water pump, shocks, rotors, pads, and serpentine belt. Then it ran like new until I got too nervous at 140K. My "new" one is a 2001 and it had 38K miles. I bought an extra year of Starmark to make sure I get to the 100K miles with coverage. My first one (a 96) had Starmark also until the 100K miles; and I needed it at 75K for new suspension bushings on all suspension parts. Would have cost me $1100 w/o the Starmark. It's tough to beat buying a Starmarked MB w/less than 40K and trading at 99K. You only have to cover normal maintenance, like brakes, shocks, and tires. They pay for almost everything else.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Speaking of tire wear..... mine are fine but I noticed that I had some pulling to the right for a while. Since I only have 28,000 miles on the car I just dealt with it because I don't drive it much.

     

    So, last week I decided to get an alignment; I had "slightly" side-swiped a curb thinking that's what might have caused the misalignment. Well, under further examination and maximum adjustment on the machine, I needed two bolts per front wheel to maximize adjustment.

     

    The fellow that I have been going to for 20 years for tires, etc., said that all cars have space for the bolts but no car maker includes them. The bolts allow for additional adjustment to the wheel. My front drivers side wheel was ever-so-slightly angled out at the bottom which cause my car to pull right. Once the bolts were installed and adjusted, it goes straight down the road. The bolts were about $15.00 each.

     

    Mark
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Just remember that the C is smaller than a Toyota Corolla.

     

    Not a lot of space or reliability for the money, but hey it's a great advertising billboard for Mercedes.

     

     

    IMHO:

     

    Just remember, it's how you like the way it drives, how you feel each day, how confident you are in it's ability to deliver you to your destination that matters.

     

    "Status is NOT in the eye of the beholder, it's in the mind of the buyer".

     

    Owning a Benz is a lot like being in the clutches of the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1989. You feel like you are really top dog, what with your investments in your military and resulting swagger. Unfortunately, you are being laughed at by most of the rest of the world because your approach to the market is dated and your product is flakey.
  • dkatldkatl Posts: 3
    I have a 2000 E320 with the standard issue 16" wheels and tires that need replacing. It's the natural time to upgrade the wheels. I don't care about appearance, just handling. I'd like quicker and more positive steering response, less body lean in turning. Will 17" wheels make a noticeable difference?
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