Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

gasguzz · June 2001

Nice link on the Autonews data. Yes, it would be nice to offer factory rebate incentives at the consumer level, but why would Honda do that - they are still running a business. While the Sentra (to cite an example) gained 86% to the Civic's 3.3%, that may only indicate a shift in consumer buying. Did the Sentra have "better" incentives and/or dealer sales dynamics(?). From a business standpoint, Honda clearly wins by sheer volume. And sure, with the woes Ford has over the Explorer/Firestone debacle, they better be giving cars away.

rgarbaccio · June 2001

OK..do I have this right?

Invoice: 16,448
Destination: $440 (already included in invoice?)
Advertising: approx. $300 (have read this is also already included in invoice?)
Dealer Prep: already included in invoice
Sales Tax: approx. $1000
Registration and Plates: $300
Warranty: I won't get one right away
Options: none

Also:

Dealer Holdback: $330
Company to Dealer Incentives: ???

Do I have all the numbers right? What about the destination and ad fees - are they already included?

I'm just trying to get a number to shoot for, allow for some dealer profit, and make everyone happy.

Thanks for you help.

rgarbaccio · June 2001

Are there any other fees I'm missing?

And...are there some options anyone would swear by? They seem cosmetic to me for the most part, and I'm already stretching to get into the EX.

Thanks -

raybear · June 2001

Invoice: $16,448 including transportaion.
Advertising: Honda does not charge an extra fee.

That's it. Forget including fees and taxes when making an offer, just let the dealer make a small profit so you'll both be happy.

wenyue · June 2001

Both are right. The civic sale is down for the year. But the production of the Civic in NA is up, which means fewer are coming from Japan.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2001/06/01/022266.html

While Civic had a fairly good selling May (32,365 vs. last May's 31,253), over all this year, the sales is down (127,909 vs. last year's 136,684).

I won't try to explain it, which I'm sure has multiple explainations.

Over all, Honda, like most Japanese automakers are having a rather good time (Look at Honda and Toyota sales total. Suprisingly, Acura and Lexus are growing faster their their cheaper siblings in the current economy). The domestic automakers are feeling the pressure from the current slow economy, and sales are falling like a rock. Historically, the Japanese automakers doesn't feel the market effects until about 12 months after the domestic automakers do.

civic_cx_92 · June 2001

Thanks for the link, mdriver was right.
Production up but sales are down, hmmmm... supply high and demand low. I may still get my offer of $13,800 for the 2001 civic LX sedan 5-sp yet!

newciv · June 2001

$13,800? Too High ! If you live in or near New Jersey, you can get a 2001 LX w/5 speed for $12,899 like I did in March. I still see it advertised as a single VIN vehicle, but even if you didn't get that VIN, I'm certain you could still get another UNDER $13k.

Happy shopping!

NewCiv

majorthomecho · June 2001

Given that the 2001 was the first year for the changes and they were fairly significant changes at that, I would buy a 2002.

rgarbaccio · June 2001

Will there be a big difference between a 2001 Civic EX made in July, and a 2002 Civic EX made in September? I would hope that Honda would address the minor flaws (radio) as they go along....are there any advance reports on the 2002 EX yet? I've only seen SI stuff.

mdriver · June 2001

You can bet Honda will address a number of issues with the 02 as all automakers do following a new model introduction. Don't know what they are, but I would like them to address the rear suspension rebound issue and make ABS available on the LX. Why they made side bags optional on the LX but not ABS is a mystery. But Honda's equipment packaging has always been wierd. I hope they don't make you buy an automatic to get the ABS like they did on the g6 coupe. That one defies all logic.

civic_cx_92 · June 2001

2002 Honda Civic Hatch/Hybrid: A five-door hatch may be coming to U.S., termed a tall wagon. Insight's hybrid powertrain may be adapt to the Civic.

http://www.carmediazone.com/future.shtml

I'd prefer a 5-door h'back over sedan for our growing family.

civic_cx_92 · June 2001

5/1/2001 thru 7/9/2001 only,
$2,000 on 2001 Integra
$4,000 on 2001 RL
Unbelievable news with Honda offering cash rebates!

jrct9454 · June 2001

I just checked, and as mentioned in the posts above, the cash incentives you are referring to in post 771 are NOT CUSTOMER REBATES. As we've discussed before, Honda doesn't do rebates.

What they are offering is $2k dealer incentive on the Integra [trying to clear them out for the RSX intro] and a $4k on the RL [which continues to be a chronic poor seller, despite being a very fine piece of work, it is overpriced and everybody knows it]. These bucks go to the dealer, and anyone armed with that info can go into the negotiations with the idea of reducing the price accordingly...but no customer rebates.

jrct9454 · June 2001

If you know the dealer incentive money is on the table, then one could argue there is no substantive difference...however, the vast, vast majority of customers who come into the showroom are usually completely in the dark about dealer incentive money...and the dealer is under no obligation to tell you how much more he is making over normal wholesale on these cars. Whereas with a true rebate, at least in Calif, the dealer is legally obligated to reveal the availability and amount of the rebate, and offer to use it as partial down payment or as cashback.

Honda just doesn't do rebates, for reasons discussed before; but dealer incentives are common at this time of year, and there will be more, especially on the Civic and Accord.

scorpio007 · June 2001

Hello...

Hope someone can advise me on the quote I've been offered on a Civic LX 4 speed auto sedan.

A dealer in Toronto has quoted:

$18507 - CAR
$850 - FRT/PDI
$100 - A/C TAX
15% - TAX
$25- GAS
-$100 rebate
$22,300.55 total Canadian.

Is this a good deal, if not, what should I be aiming for.

Thanks a lot. Any and all opinions will be welcomed.

Robert.
P.S. are there any dealer incentives / rebates available currently?

daveyd · June 2001

I dont think you should pay the money for the gas. When picked up my car. On the sticker of the vehicle, it said "Full Tank of gas: No Charge" This might be something different in Canada, but you might wanna look into it. Enjoy your new car, I enjoy mine. I have a EX Coupe. Great Car.
D

rgarbaccio · June 2001

gasguzz · June 2001

$100 - A/C TAX
$25- GAS
-$100 rebate
Anything more for them to "confuse" you?
Good luck.

patricesc · June 2001

If I purchased an after market Rear Wing Spoiler for my soon-to-be-purchased 4-door 5spd Civic EX, how difficult is it to install?
Will it void the new car warranty somehow if it is not installed by a dealer? Do you recommend dealer purchase/installation instead?
When I poke around the web sites that sell Honda parts, it says they send directions for installation with the purchase ... I was wondering what y'all thought.
Thanks!

coupe2001 · June 2001

hello everyone
i have a 2K1 civic lx 5 speed.
if you are considering purchase of this vehicle I advise you to shop elsewhere. this vehicle is junk. my dealer won't fix the gas gauge.it constantly reads 3 to 4 gallons low. anyone manufacturer that refuses to correct such a problems is obvious unable satisfy a consumers needs. Again, Honda is JUNK. did you get that. If you bought a Honda you are driving a piece of or soon to be a piece of junk because the dealerships have no intention of addressing any problems you have. i have a piece of junk in my driveway. i hate that piece of junk. i cant wait to get rid of that piece of junk. honda is junk. i feel sorry for the fellow that gets my piece of junk, but hey, i gotta off load on somebody cause the dealer won't fix my problem. Again, Honda is JUNK. I will never ever buy another honda product for as long as i live. If you are smart you will steer far away from this brand. the car drives okay, but i want a gas guage that reads correctly. is that too much to ask for.i think not. anybody want to buy this piece of junk? seriously!it's for sale!

mdriver · June 2001

If it's junk, will you let me buy it for $5000? Oh wait, you said it was junk, so how about $500?

bdesai · June 2001

Hey coupe2001, are you kidding me! If you think Honda is junk then you must never have driven a Ford or GM before. They are the real benchmarks for JUNK!!! ( I used to own a Cheverolet Chevette, yuckkkk). The fact is that Honda has EARNED their reputation for quality and thats why they are prospering as a company. You are either imagining that your fuel guage is malfunctioning or you do not have the communications skills to have one of the Honda people to look into your problem.
For all you folks on the forum, I am considering buying a CIVIC or a Mazda Protege ES. The Protege ES is also a very fine car and comes with more equipment/power for the same price(compared with the Civic EX). The look from the inside of the ES is awesome and it come with 16 inch alloy wheels. I do have a question. What is the real world gas milege of the Civic EX with MT? Any input is appreciated.

isellhondas · June 2001

Wow...

Even though a gas guage is far from a precision instrument, it should read somewhat accurately.

And the dealer should be able to fix it.

Still, buddy...what would you do if something realy important went wrong..?

I mean...chill...life is short!

lindahonda · June 2001

How about this price for a 2001 Hinda Civic LX (auto, without side airbags):

car price: $14393 ($100 over invoice price shown on edmund.com)
make-up fee: $100
Destination fee: 440
Tax (3%) $445
Title: $57
Processing fee: $25
Accessories ( Accent Stripes and Fenderwell Trim) : 80
Total: $15440
Thanks

isellhondas · June 2001

You should be paying more for such a great car!

But...what's a Hinda ?

lindahonda · June 2001

Thanks. It is Honda.

It has only 4 miles. The dealership is Brown Honda City in Baltimore. I connected with them by mail. They gave me this price in their first mail. They are so friendly to answer each question in every mail I send to them. I even didn't negotiate with them. Today I went there and wanted to get a better price, but found it so difficult. Maybe it is indeed the best price.

Sometimes, things are too good to believe. Looks like it will be absolutely my car soon.

Thanks.

lindahonda · June 2001

In the above message, "mail" should be "email". Email is fast. I knew all the information i wanted in several days without leaving my office.

backy · June 2001

What is a "make-up fee"? Never saw such in 25 years of car buying. Perhaps it is a fee made up by the dealer to add to their profit? 8) If it is for dealer preparation of the car, check the window sticker and it should say somewhere in small print, "Price includes dealer preparation" or something like that.

Re stripes and trim: did you ask for those add-ons? If not--you could tell the dealer you really don't care for them, they mess up the clean lines of your beautiful new Civic, and ask them if they could please remove them. No can do? Well, OK, I'll take it but only if you don't charge me for them. Worth a try. Or you could take isellhonda's suggestion and offer the dealer even more money because it's such a great car. 8)

lindahonda · June 2001

Thank you, backy. It is mark-up fee instead of make-up fee. The strips and trims really make that car look strange. I can get another car without stripes and trims, but with mudguards.

civic2001 · June 2001

I recently bought a Civic EX Sedan with Automatic. The gas mileage so far are: 33, 33, 32 (about 60% highway). Manual trans. should be similar.

As a matter of fact, I was debating between a EX and a Protege ES also. They were both fine cars. I could have bought a Protege for about $600 less than the comparably-equipped Civic. However, the rides were very different. Protege felt stiff by design, while EX was softer. It will all depend on what you like.

backy · June 2001

OK, so what is a "mark-up fee"? Some car dealers (try to) charge an "ADM", or Additional Dealer Markup, on high-demand models. But the '01 Civic isn't selling strong enough to warrant it, based on the discounted prices paid by other posters to this forum.

Re mudgards, at least those are functional. (I can remember back when mudgards, at least on the front, were a standard feature on the Civic.) Some dealers will throw those in gratis to seal a deal.

tazereli · June 2001

would someone condemn a car just because the gas gage has a problem? How about other aspects of the car? Did the tranny fail? Did the wheels fall off at 100 miles? or is it that the car perfoms great in all other aspects? To promise to never buy another honda jsut b/c of a faulty gage is being severly nitpicky. How about maybe trying another dealer or an independant garage? Gee now theres a thought. I just think that coupe2001 really didnt want the car to begin with and is looking for any excuse that comes to mind. The new civic has had its minor share of problems but none as insignificant as a bad gas gage to warrent spreading flames on others car buying decisions. granted i have the gen 6 civic (98 4dr ex) and its been a peach to own so far. so im not the greatest authority for offering opinions on the 01 cars. but from what i read they have been good cars for the most part.

civic_cx_92 · June 2001

I didn't get it?
Your 2001 has 13.2 gallon tank that reads empty near 10 gallon empty mark, what's the problem?
I purchased it new and now my 1992 Civic CX has 110,000 miles on it. My average gas milage is 35.9 mpg for city/highway mix for the past 12 fill-ups. I'd be getting better milage if I kept the 165/70-13's instead of upsizing to 175/70-13's. It's 10 gallon fuel tank always reads empty near 7-8 gallon empty mark. This is my third Honda and can't wait to get the new 2001 Civic LX sedan.

gasguzz · June 2001

The dealer will charge you for keys - if you let them and sign the purchase form. "Document Fees" - not my prob, that's overhead. "See that TRANSPARENT coating, that's paint protection. And only for $600". If you have one, watch your trade-in (what they "give" you on the new car, they may "take" from the trade). In the end, only the numbers tell the truth from all the smoke.
Good luck.

bordsource · June 2001

A few days ago, I realized that Honda lists different numbers for the gas gauge capacity. On the very last page of the owner's manual, gas capacity is listed at 11.9 gallons, same as the previous Civic. However, in the brochure and in several other places, capacity is listed at 13.2. Now it's only a theory, but what if all of our cars actually came with 11.9 gallon tanks instead of 13.2 gallon tanks? It would explain an awful lot. I've never been able to put in more than about 10.5 gallons with the car running on "E". That would be about correct if the car actually had a 11.9 gallon tank instead of a 13.2 gallon tank. Has anyone ever run out of gas? Or for that fact, has anyone who claims to have a gas gauge problem ever been able to put in more than 11.9 gallons?

lindahonda · June 2001

Thanks a lot for all information you here gave to me. Today I bought that new Honda Civic LX I mentioned above. The base price was the invoice price. They charged the mark-up fee of $100. The dealer removed the trims I don't like and installed mudguards. They didn't charge money for keys, or something else.

I know they cannot offer me the best price in the world, but I am really satisfied with their friendly and honest service. I feel happy with this trade while they made profits in an honest and acceptable way.

I love this silver-colored baby. Its shining lightens my everyday life.

mdriver · June 2001

Silver coloured baby? Are you talking about an Aston Martin or a Civic?

thundershock · June 2001

Hi, I am wondering if I am just weird or what but I've noticed that I am average about 32.5 mpg for my 2000 honda civic lx. Now since it's a manual, shouldn't be getting about 35mpg since the sticker said 32mpg city 37 hwy. I do most of my driving on the highway wher my avg speed is probably 72mph. Is anyone else noticing gas mileage that is this low or is this just me? What could be the problem. It has 11,000 miles on it.

cartagram · June 2001

From time to time, someone posts on this list that there's a dealer in Oklahoma that sells all or most Hondas for $100 above invoice. A friend asked me for the name of the dealer...can someone recall it?

dilynnm · June 2001

I have a new 2001 Civic EX 4dr sedan 5 speed.
Here are my 4 mileages since purchase:

38.6, 37.7, 40.0, and 39.5

We too considered the Mazda Protege ES, but decided on the Civic because of the gas mileage, and knock on wood so far we feel we were right.

No problems to report so far except ride doesn't appear to be as smooth as our test drives.

Has anyone gotten a notice for the gas leak recall yet?

rgarbaccio · June 2001

Without giving away company secrets...do you charge an advertising fee when you sell a 2001 Civic? Is it already included in the price of the car, or is it in addition? Or is there no advertising fees with Honda? Can your policy be expected at all Honda dealerships...or will it vary.

Thank you -

rgarbaccio · June 2001

I see that the Corolla 2002 pricing is already out...when can we expect the same for Honda? Also..when will these cars hit the dealerships?

isellhondas · June 2001

We have no advertising charges however some dealers will charge misc. fees.

And, I've heard nothing about pricing. I would expect prices to stay pretty much the same.

rgarbaccio · June 2001

Of the new 2002's? Will they come out in September, or before then? Thanks for your answer. I have actually read the entire "inconsiderate buyers" thread, and hope to have learned something that will help my purchase to go smoothly, and in a mutually beneficial fashion. Although of couple of posters there made it difficult, I've appreciated your posts.

doggyknife · June 2001

I too would like to know when the 2002 Civics are coming out.

I noticed the other day that a 2001 Civic had a VIN that indicated it came from and was assembled in Japan (1st# was "J" and the 11# was from a Japanese plant). I was under the impression that all Civics sold in the US were either from the Ohio plant or from Canada. Can some let me know if I'm reading the VIN wrong? Thanks.

civic_cx_92 · June 2001

Toyota's Echo attracts buyers who are 41 on average, while Focus buyers are around 35, and Civic buyers are 29. Toyota's initial target with the Echo was the under-30 demographic.

http://www.autonews.com/html/main/stories0618/toyota620.htm

tlindeman1 · June 2001

To owners of new 2001 Civics...when are you getting your first oil change? The manual and dealer say do NOT change the original oil until 5,000 miles. As much as I don't like it, I'm reluctantly following this advice as I don't want to compromise the break-in recommendations. 5,000 miles on the original oil seems a bit long to me though. Also, what oil are you using at the first change? I was considering switching to Amsoil 5W20 as it is the only manufacturer offering synthetic in this recommended weight. Thanks in advance...

daveyd · June 2001

I own a 2k1 Civic Coupe EX. When I picked my car up from the dealer, the salesperson wrote on the "Honda Quality Delivery Checklist" that my first oil change will be on 8-25-01. That is 3 months from when i have my car. For the three weeks i have had my car and only put on a 900 miles in those three weeks. So i figure by the time my car is do for an oil change will be around the 3000 mile mark. Even my salesperson was reluctant to have me go 5000 miles on an oil change. He owns Honda's and told me he goes on average 3500 miles. I would like to switch to synthetic oil, but i only found it in one store that has 5W-20. It is Amsoil. It cost 4.49 a quart. I don't understand this because Amsoil headquaters are right across the bridge in Superior WI. My Dad and my neighbor told me an oil change is one of the cheapest maintanance things a person could do on a car. If oil costs me 5 bucks a quart, and a filter, and my time, i dont know if it is worth it. I am a college student on a tight budget. I dont know what the heck to do. Do you think if i told the Honda dealer i wanted synthetic oil, would they put it in? please give me some feedback.
D

isellhondas · June 2001

Personally, I think that synthetic oil is a waste of money.

The 2002 Accords will probably start showing up in September, maybe earlier.

If the Vin starts with a J, it's a Japanese built car. 1 is Ohio, and 2 is Canada.

gasguzz · June 2001

There are threads on oil changes on the Maintenance and Repair section (Synthetic Oil/Engine Oil - A Slippery Subject). Depending on your situation, there are valid discussions on either.
But (you started it Isell), I don't believe in Syn either.

Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

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