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The Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima and Mazda 6 can all be equipped with side curtain airbags for $22-23K. In fact, you can spend about $19K and get those features in the Honda and Toyota. VW does have an advantage with its electronic stability control, which is offered only by the Camry in the above sedans, and that will require a ticket of over $25,000.
Can anyone confirm this?
If you can wait for the '05 model year, Honda intends to make side and head bags more widely available on all of their cars. They have committed to making them standard equipment by 2006. I'm less familiar with Toyota's offerings, but if it were my money, and someone were absolutely forcing me to buy a car in this class in the next 6 months, I'd buy an Accord EX 4 cyl automatic. I love the way the Passat drives, but it comes with the baggage of a host of well-known problems, not the least of which is the dealer group that seems so clueless about solving problems in the first place. Honda dealers don't set any records there, either, but my experience is that they are better, and most importantly, you'll generally have fewer problems to deal with for starters.
It pains me to say this - I think the Passat TDI diesel is a wonderful car - but it is hard to recommend the brand these days.
VW must do something to reassure potential buyers that it can build a reliable product because it's losing one of its biggest selling advantages - excellent standard safety equipment. In coming years, just about all midsize products will offer similar safety packages.
They like the looks and style inside and out. It is a fashion statement and they will cover their eyes and ears towards any warnings of questionable reliability.
It's also the fact that these cars perform so well, which is exclusive of reliability. That's what brings customers back, even with the reliability issues.
But, before I signed, all the reliability questions and the high cost of replacement parts hit me and I walked away. I'm 20 miles away from the nearest dealer and rely on my car for both work and hauling my kids to school every day. Reliability is too important for me to risk buying a VW right now. But those Passats tempting!
Hopefully, things will get better and just about all VW owners can have positive experiences.
I've never had a problem with the car breaking down and not being driveable. My problems have been irritating, but some of that is because I'm a nitpicker, and I expect my cars to be perfect.
I still love my Passat. I think if VW had their reliability in order, they would own the market, uncontested. VW's are so much more fun to drive than the competition.
nope, never again --the cars are not reliable and the dealers are all of the lowest quality I've ever experienced(and we gave them plenty of opportunities to prove themselves otherwise)
I think we're going to try the Acura TSX. Yes - its only been out a year and yes it has a few rattles....a few rattles will sound like a Beethoven symphony compared to the @#$% we've been through with vw.
And just for the record...mark my words....the vw passat will not be the highest rated sedan for Consumer Reports when all the facts are in. I think the TSX will outshine it with ease. The reason my wife and I purchased vws in the first place was partially because of Consumers report...now we know better--1st hand.
by any means has had the same problem. We have
had a 2002 Passat GLS 1.8 Tip for nearly 2 1/2 years
and it has been and is outstanding. It has 28,000
troublefree miles on it (only exception: one burned out headlight). The dealer (Demontrond of
Houston) has been excellent. The oil changes are
done in a matter of minutes. We have a grandson
whose parents are super particular about babyseat
safety. I have had two different babyseats
installed in the car when they come into town.
With both cases I had the service dept at VW
install them. They did it within a few minutes
of when I brought the car in (no app't) and did
it without charge. Even with the one headlight
that went out (about 10,000 miles), they said they
would replace the other matching headlight as they
thought it would probably go out at some point.
This car is as tight as the day we bought it. It
is still showroom perfect with a couple of paint
scratches excepted. I have owned 5 Accord sedans
before buying this Passat. Only one of the 5
was troublefree (problems with trannys, suspension
cv boots). And the one Accord that I really loved
blew a headgasket at 135,00 miles. We are very
pleased with VW. Based on what I have read I
would suggest buying from a good dealer. We have
alot of choices here in Houston.
My only issue is with the car, and the amount of service it has required. I think my 02' 1.8T is one one the top cars for driving pleasure I've owned, and I I've had about 28 cars, running the gamut from Porsches to Infinitis. The VW reliability has been mediocre, and I only put up with it because the car is so much fun to drive. ] So far the repairs have not been a big inconvenience, just minor irritations.
Of course, I'm aware that manual transmission is not the most popular choice for a mid-size sedan, but considering that most reviews of the GLS recommend the 5-speed over automatic, you'd think think enough people would be asking for them that they'd be more available -- especially in an area as big as L.A. I guess everyone here needs to have their hands free for their cell phones!
I've noticed several people here indicating they own manual Passats, in both GLS and GLX trims. Did any of you have trouble finding them?
And while we're on the subject, any thoughts regarding the manual GLX vs. automatic GLX? When I test drove the GLX 5-speed, it seemed a little loose (not sure how else to describe it), and the engine was so quiet I wasn't even sure when to shift without looking at the gauge.
I owned an automatic 2002 passat because of the traffic in la. I have a manual truck and although I thought I'd never own an automatic -- in la, it's the only way for me to survive. Not because of cell phones, its all the f#$%^&* traffic.
I would highly recommend you try another manufacturer though. Recent vws have been plagued with reliability issues.
and all the vw dealers in la, woodland hills, burbank, glendale, and santa monica (where my car was stolen off their lot - (due to their negligence) while in for oil change are horrible - not just in their day to day treatment of customers but also their treatment of customers when you have a warranty issue - which my car had many.
take a look at the Acura TSX or TL- it looks as sharp and drives similar to vw without the engine reliability issues.
and if my posts can't convince you to keep away from vw - then at least buy the more reliable 6-cyl car(the glx) the 1.8T 4-cyl is plagued with issues ---but the 6-cyl 2004 cars have a bunch too especially the downshifting of the automatic cars - although this won't be a problem for you since you want a manual.
good luck ---i hope whatever car you buy (and its dealerships)treat you better than vw treated my wife and I.
most of my friends that have owned a 2000+ jetta or passat have been plagued with serious issues including but not limited to serious engine failures while driving on the freeway
there have been several class action lawsuits against vw since the 2000+ cars(I know because I was approached to participate in several)
vw is in trouble - their reliability and lack of quick correction and oversight has caused the manufacturer huge concerns. This article in USA just touches on the surface of a huge overall vw problem
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-05-11-vw_x.htm
I have a 2001.5 Passat with 36k miles on it. The only problem I've had was a burned out headlight and a burned out light in the dash. Other than that, the car has performed beautifully. The dealer service has also been excellent, from quick reliable service, to getting a loaner car when they have my car for service.
I admit that all of this talk about reliability will make me somewhat apprehensive about my next VW, but I love the way the VW looks, love the way it drives, and have been very happy with the quality of the build.
The people in Woodland Hills were nicer about it, but similarly clueless. I had to show their salesmen the tech specs in the Passat brochure to convince them there's such a thing as a manual-transmission GLX. Then it took them over an hour to drag a dusty, filthy 5-speed GLS out of the back corner of some lot.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience at the Santa Monica dealership. I was there last weekend, and I noticed the chain link-enclosed lot full of customers' cars -- as well as the uniformed guard, who appeared to be too busy reading a magazine to pay attention to who was entering or exiting the lot. At first I thought he might ask me why I was wandering around near the lot, but quickly realized he wasn't paying any attention.
I am beginning to have second thoughts about the VW. I appreciate that there's a $2000 factory-to-dealer incentive right now, but I see it as a sign of desperation rather than accommodation. The less-experienced salesman I encountered in Woodland Hills told me they haven't sold any V6 Passats since gas prices have spiked. And I wouldn't settle for the 1.8, unless it was a 5-speed.
I have narrowed down my choice in colors to Silverstone Gray and Reflex Silver. The only catch is the Silverstone Gray will come in from another dealer and will arrive with between 200 -300 miles or the reflex silver car that only has 15 miles on it. Can't decide which car to go with. Opinions?
Thanks in advance for any input.
I'm partial to the Silverstone Gray myself. I guess it depends on whether you can live with someone else getting to drive the first 300 miles on your new car.
I enjoy driving the car very much but would I buy another one? Perhaps not. I feel like I am becoming too old and lead a too busy a life to have to worry about reliability. I am pretty sure the next car I buy will be a Lexus or an Acura. That doesnt mean I wont always hold a special place in my automotive heart for the Passat I once owned.
I have a couple of other questions.
1) What brand of tires came with your Passat? Mine will have Continentals......My Jetta came with Michelins, which I actually prefer.
2) I remember reading on this site about the automatic "learning" the drivers driving pattern. Is that true?
Thanks
The lease price of an Audi A4 quattro 1.8T w/manual, sport suspension, ESP, Xenon lights and upgraded stereo, plus the fun factor convinced us. The GLX 4Motion "would have" been the winna if it had come with a stick shift, the tip transmission made the V6 engine seem anemic. This is what I remember, if we are talking about the same episode.
I often volunteer to go with my friends on test drives, more often than not to shut the sales reps up. The test drives of the Passats and Audis ended up thusly due to lease prices and the availability in the Audi to have both AWD and stick shift.
I have not personally been in an AWD Passat with a 1.8T.
I would not want any Passat, available today, with the possible exception of the W8, with a tiptronic transmission. And, supposedly, the W8 can be had with a stick and a sport suspension -- and supposedly they are, if you can find one, "giving them away."
I would like to make sure my Wagon would not be sluggish fulled loaded. Is it necessary to go with the v6? it is 4000 over the gls price with almost similar main options (ESP+leather).
Has anybody expereinced heavy load or towing with the 4 cyl?
Would the chip help in that regard? Thx.
I am generally pro chip, I am, in this instance suggesting caution, however.
Thanks
I test drove the two again today and it is definitely the feel of the 1.8 that I prefer. (love the noise believe it or not).
Anyway, has anybody chipped their 1.8 in the bay area? Any recommended place?
Thanks.
I am about to trade in my Discovery for the passat but don't want to tell them right up front as I am sure they will be less inclined to give me a good deal. Will appreciate your views on that one. Thx.
Several (2 or 3 that I know of) vendors offer DPP chipping.
Do a dogpile or google search and you will be enlightened!
I said I would come in in the morning and would like to drive the car before any paperwork is done. They said that would not be a problem and if I wanted another car they would accomodate that request.
What do you all think? Opinions?
The one thing that I can not fix totally is that annoying rattle in the corner of the drivers dash where it meets the glass. It seems to be worst in cold weather and when Idling. I brought it to two dealers both of which made me feel as if I was asking too much for this " little vibration" to be taken care of. One dealer said he could not do anything and the other needed a fully day to take the dashboard apart to find it. I was afraid to let them do that , for the obvious . I have been 90% successful in getting rid of it by wedging clear 1"tubing between the dash and the window.
I have tried all sorts of things and this seemed to work but I do like the black sock idea, However should any of us need to go through this?
I was also advised not to use any hard objects as they can be launched at you if put near the side impact bag.
Normally this would be fine (even though I'll be hanging off of the rear bumper as my Sienna gets driven away with it's new owners) but I can not get over how badly the leather smells... or maybe its the interior off gassing?
Either way, has anyone else experience this? Any solutions? DH wants me to contact VW to see if they have had any complaints.
I drove the Passat 3 weeks ago for the first time since January and it still smells....
Thanks,
Carrie ~2003 VW Passat GLS Candy White, tan interior
PS: Are you sure it's the leather? Can you describe the smell? If it's a moldy smell, could be from the air conditioner (Einszett sells a product to clean the system). Or it could be water in the carpeting. I suggest that you feel the carpet on the passenger side, front and rear, to see if it's wet.
My husband suggested getting the leather interior treated thinking that would mask the smell. I have a very sensitive nose, even cigerette smoke bothers me, not in an allergic way but just the smell of it.
Thanks!
Carrie
If someone could package and sell that "new car smell" they would make a fortune. Maybe you should of bought a used vehicle that had lost it's scent.