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Oldsmobile Intrigue

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  • I'm pretty confident that a supercharged Intrigue 3.5 (OSV) can run with a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    Boy your in trouble now!! Big brother is watching you and doesn't like what your saying. Chances are I would have liked it though. Anyway, any luck on the new exhaust system? I've got 5 more payments and then the 98 Intrigue is GM's again. With the deals and incentives, I'm seriously leaning toward a 2001 and will purchase this time, so I will have it longer and would be tempted to do some things in the way of upgrades.
  • ketchketch Posts: 217
    Etharmon, go for it,as the Intrigue is still one of the best values around considering its high level of refinement, esp. now with the new incentives. Assumes of course you plan to hold onto it and resale isn't an issue.

    As for mods, I hope to eventually put larger wheels (17/) and tires, plus an exaust upgrade.
    Struts are a longer term issue, but want to preserve the balance provided by the multi-stage ones now.
    Anyone have any websites for such things i can reference? Anyone have experience with a "plus 1" tire/wheel upgrade to 17inch, esp. as to ride?
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    etharmon::::::Got into trouble right out of the chute and had some informative items deep sixed..I will probably return to the AOL Intrigue board for theirs is not monitored..The ability to share some information that is vital to healthly automotive growth that is based on experience, not fiction..

    Had an Intrigue day, ran 384 miles, the low fuel light came on at 381.4 miles. Not bad for 60 mi of city driving, and the balance interstate I-75--Detroit to St. Marys, Ohio..Had about a 30 mile run with a A6 Audi coming back; black 4dr with oversize wheels, stayed around 90/100--big deal, I certainly was no threat to his top end; but the other person was dismayed since I did not allow pass; but they would have been nutso to have tried in the three digit area.

    My gas comes from Costoco so it is from the low bidder and the price was 1.37.9..

    Exhaust system has not arrived as yet.

    Was 25 miles from Marysville, Ohio today; home of the Honda USA operation; really can't say more about it.

    Will visit the Olds dealer on Friday for the first time since last November..
  • ghostzghostz Posts: 19
    Bought a 2001 GL Sterling with dark gray leather over the phone today. The car has the Premium Leather package but doesn't have the sunroof (don't need it), spoiler (don't want it), chrome wheels (don't want them), Bose system (my ears aren't that good) and PCS system (pricey, steers great without a computer). I can live without the On Star, which has some sort of monthly fee. I paid invoice, which was fine with me, but the haggling took place over what they were going to pay for my Camaro. Without going into the gory details, it worked out, hopefully with me a little happier than the dealer.

    I drove the car last night for about 20 miles and was able to get it up to about a 80 mph on the interstate. Nice and solid at that speed, but a tiny bit noisy. Sounds like a lot of it is tire noise?? I wonder if a top notch set of Michelins, etc., would eliminate a lot of that. The noise is not a big issue with me -- I keep the stereo on anyway. The engine, suspension, and drive train are more important in my book.

    What can I say. The car was dirt cheap given what you get as far options. I mean, price out a Nissan Maxima and add leather and premium options and see what you get. I guess the acid test for me will be durability and reliability of the Intrigue. About 75% of my driving is around town, stop and go stuff, which is hard on any car. I'm glad I'm getting that long term factory warranty.
    JR

    P.S. The sales guy told me that Olds was going to exist until 2004, and then the Aurora will probably be shifted to Cadillac(?). I guess the other models won't exist.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I still haven't found a car that offers what the intrigue has as far as comfort, character and performance.

    I am leaning towards a 2001 also, since the deals have been extended. I can basically get a $25,000

    car for $20,000. I paid $21,800 for my '99.
    My only concern is that the changes to the 2002
    will mke my car obsolete. I have heard that the Cadillac CTS will have a 225 hp version of our engine. I certainly wouldn't want to buy a 2001, if the 2002 will have 225 hp.

    I hoping there will be some front bumper changes, but it seems to be interior changes only.

    If i keep the car a long time then the depreciation is a moot point. The 5 year warranty is the icing on the cake. The downside to it is that it would stop me from modifying the vehicle.

    I am very seriously considering another intrigue, and no, we are not crazy for doing it.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Do you mind sharing with us the MSRP on your car?
    Your comment on the noise tells me that oldsmobile did nothing about the road noise issue that we have posted so much about.
    Even though harlanc said it was a change for 2001.
    Congratulations on your car I hope you like it.
    Take it easy for the first 500 miles. i think you will like its passing power.
  • Anyone having difficulties with fuel on their Intrigue? 7 moths. ago I had fuel regulator that went bad (they said defect part); 3 moths. ago they cleaned injectors claiming H2O in gas; and now they're claiming h20 in gas again & will need to drop/drain tank. Many years of motoring & I've never had bad' gas. Yet alone twice in 3 moths. We have the '99 L 3.5
    Look forward to any assistance or advice while my service charges are going through the roof.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    ghostz : Congrats on the new Intrigue! I think you will enjoy the car a lot. It's great around town, but even better on the highways.

    1415 : Good price on the gas. Costco doesn't sell gas in Canada, I'm not sure why. If they did I might just get a membership.

    bz4 : Intrigue is not the quietest car on the road, but Accord and Maxima aren't any better.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    What are your car's symptoms?
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I think the honda's engine is quieter. I don't remember the noise issue, but i would have to say that tire noise was less.
    Can't remember about the maxima.
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    Congratulations on the Intrigue, I hope you enjoy yours. The color combo you got is pretty sharp. As for Olds future, I'm guessing 2003 or 2004. My guess is the Intrigue will be dropped after 2002 or 2003 as GM is redesigning the W-bodies in that period and ditto on the Silhouette. The Aurora was just redesigned for 2001 and the new 2002 Bravada just went on sale so I'd day those two will have at least through 2003, maybe 2004. As for Olds models going to Cadillac, I've read several places that they will not be going to Cadillac. Basically, by 2004 Cadillac will have it's own new Catera and the Aurora will be ready for an update, so I guess just let it pass and hopefully Buick and Pontiac will get it's engines.

    b4z, I was hoping Cadillac would use the 3.5 liter V6 in the Catera, but I've been hearing lately that the CTS will get 3.2 liter version of the current 3.0 and that a supercharged version will be offered as well. Doesn't make sense to me as the 3.5 is a far superior engine. 225hp would be no problem at all. Increase the compression ratio and give it a less restrictive intake and exhaust and you could probably get even more power without supercharging. THEN, add a supercharger to the 3.5 and watch the sparks fly! Too bad we will never see that in our Intrigues. And as for engine noise, the Accord's engine may be quieter than the Intrigue's, but the Intrigue's engine is something that I like to hear. It's the road noise than I wish was better isolated. This is probably my biggest fault with the car's design as I feel there is not enough sound insulation in the floorpan and doors.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    bz4 : Honda engine is a little more quiet (probably due to the belts), but the road noise is the same. Maxima road noise is about the same also. Can't remember Maxima engine though.

    etharmon : I hope the 3.5L goes into the next Grand Prix. Last I read, the CTS was getting the 3.5L also.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    1415 - is that Costco the wholesale club or is your spelling Costoco a gas retail chain?

    Here in my area (Portsmouth NH) we have BJ's wholesale club gas pumps at $1.379 for regular which is what I have used for a couple years now - no quality issues at all.

    At combined driving of 40K miles per year for our vehicles (including a Suburban) the $60 annual membership is the best thing going.

    Does anyone else in the Northeast have BJ's or Costco gas? (the kind you put in your car!)

    Ken
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    Change the exhaust system and presto--you have your wish..Just recalling what the SLP writeup stated; however we don't know whether it will fit the 3.5 Intrigue.

    I finally got down and looked at the rear muffler which is different than the 3.8 setup; could be in for some extra charges to modify..

    ghostz::::::How could you pay invoice when there are $3500 worth of rebates out there. The salesman gets a 500 bonus plus the sls mgr gets 150. Used cars are a dealer's bread and butter!!! Just curious..

    The Intrigue has to be the most bang for the buck and I do believe the PCS option is a mandatory buy for the better axle ratio and 130mph top end. Speed rated tires and all the skid-control goodies thrown in for safety sake..

    Sales would be robust if somebody at GM would hype the silly car--put dual exhausts on it and watch the people flock to it. Look what it did for Acura sales????

    mksouthaven::::::Water in gas tank is a rare occurance in this modern day world. Do you live in a fishing village or are you buying gas from a farmer who avoids paying road taxes. Maybe you have a friend who likes to pour water in your tank!!!
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    Membership is $30.00/yr; and I buy gas there if I am close-by; otherwise I get hosed at some Mobil or Shell station..This is the first year where I have cut back in mileage on the business end as it was running 40/50k/yr. The wife's car goes 12/15k/yr Fla, shopping centers, and groceries.

    Costco bargains are due to bulk savings, and initially we were buying salmon and chicken breasts in qty; but they switched to Tyson chicken and it is so damn tough and the salmon is farm raised--not fresh--good price but smells too fishy; so we quit buying both of them!!! Low fat dull foods are what I live on; yogurt is a good buy and in Flordia vodka is priced well. They sell beer and wine only in Michigan and one does not have to be a member to buy those items..
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Costco deals aren't what they used to be. We still shop there with my parent's membership, but it's not worth it unless you have a big family. I just don't need 20 lbs of flour or chicken. If they sold gas in Canada, maybe it would be different.
  • Hello -

    To answer recent posters questions, in my humble opinion the max is a bit quieter on road noise, and the engine is nearly very quiet. I am sometimes in wrong gear on highway and can't notice unless I see the tach or shifter position. It was that and the same ride characteristics and better resale, that made us go for a cheaper (new 2000 w/rebate) SE loaded.

    I am still considering a Intr, maybe if I get a used 3.5 after a few years. I really liked the car overall. I think 17" rims would be sweet, and the car needs to be about 1" or so lower to complete the look and give better response to turns....if you're going to add the wheels go for both.

    Hope the new alternator works....keep us posted.

    max is fine so far.
    Slope
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Glad you are liking the Max. I have not driven one in a couple of years so they may be better now. Oldsmobile should definitely insulate a little more around the wheels.
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    After the 390.1 mile trip yesterday I was running around on the reserve; it took 14.768 gals for 26.42mpg. Not bad, for the temp early was around 13F and did get up to 22F. Thats 87 octane and $1.359 today on fillup.

    GM is cutting car production by 25% thru balance of model year since they were somewhat amiss earlier in reductions..

    dindak::::::Another thriller of a day in stocks..Flipped one for 1 1/2 pts yesterday. Bought back today at a great price and it stalled out. The index funds are now creaming the market..
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    1415 : It's a great market for trading if that's your thing. It's also good for writing options as volatility yields big premiums. There isn't a lot more downside on these quality tech stocks.

    Going to the Toronto Auto Show tonight. I am quite excited as it's my favorite show of the year.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I like the max too. But, I went with the intrigue because of its front seat room. Also, when i optioned the max the way i wanted it, it was really expensive.

    I have seen some of the ones with 17" wheels, and they sit really high up in the air, almost like they have four wheel drive. It is really strange looking.
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    Well, for those of us who live along the eastern seaboard we got hit with another wave of snow after (at least in PA) 50 degree plus weather. Wish it would just stay cold until spring instead of teasing us.

    NNNN-EEE-Way, my '98 Intrigue performed like a champ! While it took 3.5 hours to get home when normally it only takes 1.5, it trudged thru the snow *almost* like a 4-wheel drive car. I left it in 2nd gear position. That along with traction control pulled me through as well (better in some instances) than SUVs. Once I got back in the city, I crossed a blvd with a Ford Explorer. He got the jump on me. Once we were in the blvd lanes, his SUV was fighting to find which wheel to use. I smoothly pulled away with the traction light keeping me company. Saw a Kia Sportage fishtailing. Must have been only 2-wheel drive. SUV owners think they own the world despite the weather. I confidently slipped past him too.

    There's an empty stretch of street not far from home where I decided to do a little road test. In the snow (absolutely NO ONE was around) I pushed the car to 50. Pulled away like it was dry. Those Michelins bit into the powder like a pit bull. I slammed on the brakes. Don't know how many feet it took to stop but it did it without drama. No sliding to the left or right, very little feedback through the wheel. Confidence inspiring from acceleration to braking. Extremely impressive.

    I wish I had PCS. Quite a few times it would have kicked in despite my best efforts to retain control on icy I-95. I am DEFINITELY getting another Intrigue. And it must have PCS. This is probably the most underrated car in production. We've all said it before, but it's a shame GM doesn't have its head on straight.

    A royal shame.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Dindak - please let us know what concept cars you see at the show. One of the highlights of my year is my annual pilgrimage to the NE show in Boston held each Nov.

    One2one - what Michelins are you running? Last night we had 4 inches of the fluffiest snow I've seen here (Boston north to south coastal Maine) - practically blew it off the walk this morning.

    Ken
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    one2one:::::::Sounds like you had a marvelous 3hrs of snow games and with PCS you might have overdone it..

    The event makes me happy because you got the snow and we didn't receive anything other than a few flakes..

    17" wheels seem to be the rage on some posts; has anyone driven an Intrigue with the oversize?????
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    I've got Michelin Pilot XGT H4s (H rated). They claim to have excellent wet weather and snow traction. I concur and vcjumper has indicated the same. I don't know what rating his are.
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    You're probably right about PCS. Have to admit, it is fun driving in snow when your car can handle it :) Kinda like the Pathfinder commerical.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Thanks One2one. I've heard others mention those favorably in other forums. My '00 Bonneville SE has Firestone Affinity tires (bought car a month ago with 18K on it). They seem to be ok but I notice a lot of support for Michelin around here - I've never sprung the extra bucks for them myself.

    Ken
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    If I remember correctly, they cost me (on sale) $112 or $114 installed at Sears. Getting them done at Sears or NTB gives you free balancing for the life of the tires. You'll see a definite improvement in handling and ride quality.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Not a bad price for those Pilots. And if they can soak up some of the roughness on secondary pavement better than these Affinity tires do, maybe I'll replace them sooner rather than later.

    Thanks again

    Ken
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