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Oldsmobile Intrigue

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  • oscarz2oscarz2 Posts: 153
    1415,
    Where are you getting your info? The maker of Monroe struts (Tenneco Automotive) say they make two designs for Intrigue: Reflex and Sensatrac. Shockwarehouse.com said the Sensatracs are available for Intrigue at $58ea (front) and $49ea (rear) with an available boot and jounce bumper kit for another $12 or so. They also said Reflex would be available for Intrigue soon. Maybe I was misled.

    Don't get me wrong, I know zero about struts. I'm just trying to rectify conflicting information. The only reason I'm interested in Sensatracs is they are promoted as having softer valving for a smoother ride. I figure handling may be sacrificed
    although there's no way to know for sure without examining the ride for oneself. Handling is good on my Intrigue so if it drops to marginal for a less HaRsH ride, I can deal with that.

    I was under the impression that KYB specializes in the japanese suspensions, no? Maybe the web page I got that idea from was for another maker that I've confused with KYB.

    At any rate, sounds like you may jump before I, regarding struts. Anxious to know the result.
  • jg28jg28 Posts: 257
    I, too, am amazed that GM would develop such a "world class" engine and then scrap it. But everyone should remember that GM spent 3 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! with updating Oldsmobile and they're dumping it.

    My alternator is being replaced today. I sure hope that solves the problem. I felt good about my service advisor today (even though he gave me guff for taking the car somewhere else for oil change and tire rotation ($32 verses $75 at this place). When I took it in, there was a lady with a 99 Intrigue just in front of me, bringing it hers in for the same reason. He thanked me for alerting him to this problem so that they could replace hers with the redesigned alternator even after they'd already ordered the old one. Made me feel warm and fuzzy knowing that he made the extra effort to order her a redesigned one instead of just slapping on an old one (remember I had my alternator replaced in November and it seemed to be fixed until it started flickering again recently).

    My dealer is an Olds/Cadillac. They had a new Catera in the showroom. Kinda liked it actually )(it was really easy to get in and out of) but the dash seemed really cheap, the door was very solid and heavy, had a nice feeling. Anyway, I was looking on the sticker and it says 3.0L DOHC 6 cylinder. Where is that coming from? I didn't know GM made a 3.0 DOHC 6. Very sad to hear that our engines are going away. I don't believe one bit that they're proving unreliable or have emissions problems. I think the brand managers of the other divisions just don't want anything to do with something that used to be in Oldsmobile.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    This fall had kind of low speed race with Camaro, traffic-light to traffic light. Both want to change lanes, crisscross, and both tried to be ahead.

    Would never try this with Camaro, but it was in by blind spot, and with its low nose I thought this is a small car: Sentry, Civic, or Corolla. I was in Regal GS, and did not try hard. No performance shift, no spinning wheels, just moved from whole stop, than added a bit of gas.

    When I looked at the rear view mirror before changing lanes, saw a wide low car far behind. Even checked the second time at side - expected a small car, and much closer. Sitting at the next traffic light checked again, and this time recognized Camaro.

    The Camaro moved slow from stop. Probably, the driver is not great with stick. And it had not so great acceleration at all after peeking-up its speed.

    At first, I was astonished. Than looked at specs, when returned home. Turned to be, a base Camaro with 3800 is simply no match for Regal GS or GP GTP. About second slower 0-60 acceleration, according to Edmunds.

    I believe, it is also no match for Intrigue on highways, but faster from full stop.
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    teo:::::::if the car slump keeps up they may be some good deals on 01s; but the 02 would probably be the best way to go.. No conv; too heavy and too expensive to insure; my allergies have become more prevelant with the sunroofs on both cars so a conv is a no-no..

    Since next year is the last year some of the tooling will be getting a little ragged toward the end so any purchase should come at the beginning of the model run..Also be aware that car makers on build out situations have a habit of changing things and not letting the know. They just downgrade something and know body pays any attention. Case in point!!!

    Had a 89 6000 SE 2.8 V-6 which had the STE suspension goodies and was just as tight at 90k miles as new. Sold to a private party.. Picked up a 91 6000 SE 3.1 V-6 larger wheels; but found out later no suspension upgrade--std 6000 setup. Never read the brochure or never even thought about. 91 6000 production was extremely limited and in fact I think after one month they stopped. Drove the beast 90k miles and it shook the whole way..Had the front brakes turned once; one alignment and a set of tires..If I would have read the brochure I would have realized it was not the same as the 89. The car had a 1500 mile history; the original owner was GM, car was stolen, stripping wheels, battery, and spare tire. Car was recovered and Pontiac dealer purchased it; replacing the missing items. They replaced the wheels with 14" and I told them that 15" was std so another couple weeks the wheels were replaced. I beat up the price for a couple days and bought the poor thing. It was a fair deal; but not the 89 handling.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    The 3.0L is made in England. by GM/Vaxhall. It's very similar to the engine in the Saturn LS300. VERY nice engine. I think production will be moved to the U.S. and the engine will be moving into other cars. I know it will be going into the Saturn VUE come the fall.
  • ickesickes Posts: 82
    The 3.0l V-6 is also used in the Saab 9-5, Opel/Vauxhall Omega (of which the Catera and Holden Commodore are clones) and also next size down Opel/Vauxhall Vectra (the donating bin for the LS).

    As for the 3.5, I have read in Pop Mech. and other places that GM will use this motor in the new CTS (Catera replacement), which is based on the new rear wheel drive Sigma plaform.
  • lee18lee18 Posts: 45
    Production of the 3.0L V6 for North America will be done in Ste. Catharines Ontario (and in England for Europe). The 3.0L will be reworked with more aluminum parts and electronic controls to become the code named 'Electron' engine, which will supposedly be the mainstay engine for GM well into the future. Its modular design is supposed to make for more economical production and spawn a family of such engines, hence the elimination of the 3.5L V6.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    ickes: The last couple of articles I have seen w.r.t. the 2002 CTS mention do not mention the 3.5L as the engine. They spoke of another one which escapes me now.

    lee18 : I didn't realize St Catherines was getting production of the 3.0L. That's great. An engineering buddy from university used to work at that plant, but I'm not sure if he still does. I lost touch with him a few years ago.
  • winter9winter9 Posts: 98
    I read in the Intrigue brochure that, among other things, with the PCS package you get the Magnasteer II magnetically controlled steering system. I assume that the non-PSC-equipped Intrigues get the standard Magnasteer system, but nowhere can I find words to confirm that. I checked the Delphi web site (delphiauto.com) and found some info on both systems, it appears that the Mag II system is a bit more sophisticated - touted as the "next generation" steering system. Does anyone know if indeed the new non-PSC Intrigues have the MAG "I" systems vs. the II's? Does anyone know if the II's really do work any better? Thanks.
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    The 3.4 liter DOHC V6 should not be compared to the 3.5. Thats a disgrace to the 3.5. The 3.4 DOHC V6 was in production from 1991 to 1997 although I think they phased it out midway through 97. Believe it or not, the Intrigue was originally going to get this engine. The DOHC 3.4 was a 3.1 liter OHV V6 that was "converted" to DOHC. It had pretty good power output, but for a DOHC engine it was not all that smooth and was raspy in the high end. And the engine proved to be fairly troublesome. Believe me, us 98 Intrigue owners were done a favor when Olds decided to use the 3800 instead. In fact, had the original Intrigues had the 3.4, I would not have leased one. The 3.5 was a DOHC V6 from the start. I remember reading an article on it's development and it was mentioned that GM simply didn't cut two cylinders off a Northstar, but rather they took one cylinder of a Northstar and duplicated it 6 times. Kind of a cute analogy, but it makes sense. Today's 3400 OHV V6 is related to the DOHC 3.4 only in that the 3400 was derived from the 3100 which itself was derived from the 3.1 which is what spawned the 3.4 DOHC engine. Confused now. And F-bodies did use the 3.1 liter V6 from 89 or 90 until the new style arrived in 93. Also, while the original Quad 4 was a DOHC learning experience for GM, it and the Northstar V8 are in no way related except that they run on gasoline and have 2 cam shafts atop each cylinder bank. 1415 is correct in that the DOHC 3.4 uses a rubber cog belt to drive the camshafts. The 3.0 liter DOHC V6 in the Catera is a GM of Europe engine it has a 54 degree angle if I'm not mistaken. And it uses timing belts as well. IMO, the Catera is just begging for the 3.5. And a stick.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I am curious why the 3.0 uses a 54 degree design.
    60 degrees is optimal for a V6 due to its number of cylinders and firing order. The honda is a 60 degree design and is as smooth as silk.
    There are packaging efficiencies with a narrow angle design, that a 90 degree can't equal. A 90 degree does have more room for the intake runners which will help low and midrange torque and power.
    A 90 degree requires a balance shaft to smooth it out some.
    Due to its width the 3.5L would probably not fit in the mini van chassis that GM is currently using.
    It looks like the uses for the 3.5 are limited to the midsize and large cars. Not enough volume for what GM needs. The fbody is going away, so that is not a potential candidate either.
    Too bad.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Hope you didn't think i was comparing the 3.4L to the 3.5L. I was comparing the decision to drop them.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    GM makes more mid size cars than anyone in North America, so I think there is lots of volume available for the 3.5L. From what I understand, it's an expensive engine to manufacture and that is the real issue. I wonder if the 3.0L will find it's way into the Regal or the Grand Prix. It seems small, but I guess the Catera gets well over 200HP out of it.
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    etharmon::::::Please give the V-6 displacement that was in the 79 Firebird. It was small and I somehow remember that the auto trans was not a great piece of GM machinery.

    oscarz2:::::::I can't locate the Monroe pricing on the shockwarehouse website. Every time I plug in all the numbers it spits out the KYB pricing which is 60.15+11.81-boot/bumpstop+30.07-upper mount. I will try again today.

    Had to take wife to airport last night and I-94 was a skating rink for 35 miles going to Metro and well salted coming back. 30 min trip took 1 1/2 hrs going; got back to the house and the fax/computer line was out of order--watched the boop tube and see we picked up some more snow this am.

    Thanks for the help on struts--talked to my Firestone tire storeowner and he will not do the KYB strut. He will do Monroes; but he is still peeved about when I had the Monroes installed by the Buick dealer.

    jg28:::::::Your Cadillac/Olds dealer is a thief--$75 for oil change/tire rotation should also include "dinner for two", martinis extra!!! Consider your self lucky not to own a Catera--its a 3700# tank with the reliability of a Yugo.. It has a resale value similiar to the Intrigue..

    yurakm::::::The dual exhausted 3800 Camaro uses a higher axle ratio so it would probably cream the 3.5 up to 60mph; but after that watch out. Camaro is too heavy to offer much excitement with 200hp. and probably would be great for me the AARPer. My nearby Pontiac/Buick/GMC dealer has a leftover 00 Trans Am for 21995 and he also has 4 used Intrigues, 3 Aleros, and 2 Auroras.. A 99 Aurora is listed for 19,995 showing 16k miles..

    Here is a real eye-opener on the same used car lot is a 99 Acura 3.2TL for 22,995 and a 99 Intrigue GLS for 14,995..That type of a spread is hard to accept..Hate to post this data for "jgriff" could really get into trouble.. However if you approach it from the logical beginning the TL owners pay sticker and we Intrigue owners bask in rebates and discounts.

    Got to go get dressed and meet my attorney for discussion/lunch/lawsuit...
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    My Michael Lamm Camaro book lists the '79 Camaro six as being a 250 ci I-6 (115 hp, 200 ft/lb; single-barrel carb). Perhaps the Firebird used a V-6... I don't have a Firebird book! I wish I had been able to find a 2000 Firebird with the Performance Package (dual exhaust, limited slip, 3.42 instead of 3.23, 235/55-16 tires) but when you buy a left-over, pickings can be slim. I am still planning on selling the 3800 Firebird and grabbing a 310-hp Formula while they are still in production. BTW, my insurance agent quoted me figures of $342/6 months on 3800; $415/6 months on Formula. Wish I had checked before purchasing the 3800 model. I also ordered a leather package from Lambert in Mississippi; $700+shipping (~$100) for front seats, back seats, and door panels in Ebony leather... came out of a 2000 TA total (head-on). I slap it in the 3800 if I wind up keeping it, or save it for the black Formula if I sell the 3800.
    Olds called yesterday and asked if I was happy with my Intrigue... told them, yeah, after spending three months trying to get an alternator that worked. Funny thing is, we called Oldsmobile several times during that fiasco. Guess their in-house communications is about as good as their marketing.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    I shoveled 16 inches and 2 ft drifts this morning - still coming down steady. Not many out around here in Boston north area.

    Ken
  • one2oneone2one Posts: 626
    We got next to nothing here in Philly. Yeah, we got a "wintry mix" of freezing rain and snow but nothing to really stop the world. The last snow was worse a couple of weeks ago. To look outside one would think that it didn't even rain.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Not a single cloud in the sky...cool and breeze 68F...and sunny!

    No snow to worry about!

    Sorry, couldn't resist!
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Pontiac had a 196 CID version in the 70's. Might have been a different engine. I seem to remember a 229 CID also. Maybe it was a Chevy. I think it was available in the malibu and impala. This was different from the 3800 buick motor.
    Do you guys remember the 4.1L 252 CID version that was available in the early 80's?It came in the lesabre.
    Back to the pontiac. I remember that this was originally an odd fire engine. That was converted into an even fire. It was available in the firebird and lemans.
    In the 70's and 80's GM was still using different engines for most divisions.The cutlass GT was still available with the 307 CID in 1987.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Here in west Toronto we got about a foot of snow. It's quite wet and soggy, typical of March snow. Lots of fun! Thank God I have a snow blower.

    One year report on my Intrigue coming later this week.
  • oscarz2oscarz2 Posts: 153
    Go to Shockwarehouse.com
    Click "order" at the top
    Click "obtain quote"
    Fill out all info

    They will e-mail you a quote. I did this twice and they responded in about a day.

    Keep in mind they do not handle warranty for Monroe. Call Tenneco (800-879-0540) before you buy at Shockwarehouse and make sure they give a protocol for this situation.
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    teo::::::68 is not a pleasant temp in south Florida, because you will have a north breeze with a bunch of shivering AARPs warped in old furs.. The snow is not a fun deal anymore; but the worst of winter is over; and we shall have 40 degree weather soon with mud everywhere.. My wife is back in Florida for 10 days with the daughter and the grand terrors (children); their home has a large covered lanai and pool so by Wednesday the 80s will return; all will be happy..

    bz4:::::::I think the 229 sounds about right for the size. I also think that the auto trans fluid was not cooled in the regular fashion..Air-cooled maybe???? Like the Vega engine cylinders 50/50; air and water..

    My 01 Aurora is in and stickers around 38k; told them to sell it.

    Never did hear from Olds on my strut; so I called the GenMgr at the dealer and told him to cancel the extended warranty policy if they don't replace the struts at N/C.. You can cancel the warranty policy within 60 days w/o penalty..

    Just talked to the Pontiac dealer on the used 99 Aurora with 16k miles. Bought at a GM auction; Burgundy ext.w/Biege int. and chrome wheels.. Balance of the 50k warranty.. Priced at $19,995--fair price--good for a $750 hit. Tried to buy a Z-28 from this same dealer 5 yrs ago and he took it to the auction twice to stay away from selling it to me..

    white6::::::The 3.8 powered Camaro should have a great weight distribution ratio versus the V-8 mass. Sounds like you are a serious F body fan. My first new Camaro was a 71 SS350 which I dearly loved and abused for 90+k miles. Company car, black and automatic. Great cruising car for I was 60 miles from the plant so we had a little highway time every day. Car was sold in Arizona for $1300 less than original purchase. Before the days of speedo laws.. Car was kept for 24 months.

    I will try to locate a Camaro with the performance pkg#Y87 on the Chevy website at the various Detroit dealers.

    I started this post 3 hrs ago; but due to other things and phone calls I has really forgot what my intent was or where I was headed!!!
  • j_colemanj_coleman Posts: 143
    That's OK 1415, I've often heard that referred to as a "senior moment".
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Remember, the LS1 is all aluminum and weighs 80 lbs less than the LT1. I imagine that the 3800 is
    fairly close in weight to the V8.
    I think coming from the 3.5L you would not be happy with the 3800. Camaros are creaky and trucklike and lack refinement.
    if you are going to buy a camaro get the Z28. Its resale will be far greater.
    Just saw on the today show a couple of weeks ago that the camaro has one of the strongest resale values. Go figure.
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    No offense, but when was the last time you drove an F-body? They have really improved dramatically in the last few years... after all, GM is killing them, so they must be about as good as they can get! Computer design aids and structural adhesives have given late-model f-body's pretty good structural integrity. The new LS1, being all-aluminum, probably is not more than 1% worse weight distribution compared to the 3800. If you take a look under the hood, you'll notice the engine is BEHIND the front wheels... basically a front-mid-engine design. And what an engine! So much fun, it should be illegal! I just don't see a down side to a car that runs mid-thirteens, gets 24+ mpg, and costs less than $23,000 brand spanking new!
  • 14151415 Posts: 249
    j coleman:::::Think I should drink more water;I it might help the memory..

    Sure wish I could have had a Marlboro Light with the martinis tonight.

    bz4:::::::I assumed someone would bring up the alum blocked V-8s vs the cast iron 3.8..

    white6::::::Went through 4 Chevy dealers nearest my zip and came up with two 3.8 Camaros equipped w/performance pkg.. Same dealer, stickered at 22,450 well equipped; roof panels and and Monsoon 500 watt blaster, no leather..

    All the other 3.8 powered were equipped with the 3.42 axle(No charge) and the 235/55 R-16 tires.

    dindak:::::Glad the heavy snow missed us and today was a better market day; dumped the ALTR shares; little early but had other things to do. Kept the ATML and if it pops above 13 its gone.. Then wait a day or two and these chips will slid back..
  • redly_oneredly_one Posts: 122
    When I was younger, I had an 81 Cutlass w/231ci (3.8L) V6. My friend had a Monte Carlo w/229ci (3.8L) V6. Both were crap (IMO). The 307 that Olds used was a solid V8. They were know for high mileage, kind of like the 3800. I never did understand why Olds had the 307 and Chevy had the 305. Oh well, they are underpowered dinosaurs by today's standards!!

    And finally, the 3.4L DOHC. I had one of these in a 95 Cutlass Convertible. It was much less refined than the 3.5L. But, considering that I did not keep the car long enough to have to do any work on the motor, I can honestly say that the 3.4L had more of a raw power feel than the 3.5L.
    I had that car going 110MPH with me (180lbs) and 3 friends (175lbs, 220 lbs, and 280lbs respectively) with the top down and a 15MPH cross wind. Needless to say, it had balls. Damn am I glad I am not that young and stupid anymore.
    I sold it 2 weeks before the timing belt broke (spendy fix).
  • redly_oneredly_one Posts: 122
    My 99 Intrigue has a problem. The left windshield wiper doesn't work anymore. I think it must be stripped, because you can move it around with no resistance.

    Anyone else ever see this problem? Any idea how to fix it yourself???
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    Are all about being a bad [non-permissible content removed], politically incorrect, tire smoking car. And thats why I like them so much and hate to see them go. Where else can you get that kind of performance for the price? Acura? Paleez!

    White6, just curious how old are you? Your married too so that probably helps your rates. I seriously doubt I could get an insurance rate like that on a Z28 or a Formula. Actually, what I'd really love is an SS. I don't even want to ask my agent what my premiums would be because he'd probably laugh. And I have a clean driving record.

    1415, sounds like that Pontiac dealer is a real SOB. You should go low ball him on that 99 Aurora just to waste his time. And if he takes your offer, you got a good deal on a decent car. Seeing prices like that on low mileage 98 and 99 Auroras is making wonder whether I want to go that route or do the new Intrigue. As I've said before, the financing is key. 0.9% for 60 months and a brand new car is hard to beat so if that promo runs, the Intrigue will almost certainly be my pick. And I've decided I will go with the loaded GLS. I'm still not as hot on the chrome wheels, but I went to the Onstar website the other day and I guess it would be a neat feature to have. Being the techno kind of guy that I am when it comes to stuff like that, I'm surprised I wouldn't have wanted it sooner. And they give you a year free, however, Oldsmobiles only come with the safety and security package whereas Cadillacs come with the premium package. Thats the package that you can call Onstar and they will make hotel or dinner reservations for you. Wonder if Onstar could locate a good Martini bar.

    V6, I'm still wondering what will replace the 3800 V6. The 3.5 would be a perfect fit as it has pretty good low end torque and seems to perform pretty well in larger applications(Aurora 3.5). I'd like to see the 3.5 in the base Bonneville and the Impala as well. Call me crazy, but I just don't think it will go just yet. Hell, why doesn't GM offer to sell some to Chrysler or Ford. They both could use a good medium sized DOHC V6.
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    An old buddy of mine is about to get married(play "Another One Bites the Dust") so we were sitting around drinking earlier this evening and talking cars and he mentioned that every car I have had is now(or soon to be)dropped. I have to say, I had never thought about that, but it is true. My very first car was an 83 Riviera(guess thats why I've always been fond of American luxury cars), well Rivs are no more. Next was the 89 Olds Toronado, the nameplate was banished to the cornfield in 1992. Next the Intrigue and the whole brand is now folding. So I wonder if I have some curse or something:) Maybe I should buy a Toyota or an Acura next time in hope that they too will go away.
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