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b4z, how is that Pat Benatar DVD? I've got her greatest hits cd. Thats another good one for crankin while driving. My co-worker made the remark about the sound of the engine on his 2000 GLS that it sounds better than anything on the radio these days.
white6, I think the foglights compliment the look of the Intrigue. Even if they are more cosmetic than functional. My 98 does not have them and slots in the bottom of the bumper are open and it just doesn't look as good. Speaking of foglights, have you guys seen the current Maxima without foglights? It's like there is a dark grey round plug in the hole where foglights go on higher end models. Looks purely cheap to me.
We were both being held up by a left lane hog going about 120km/hr, and when they finally pulled over to the right we did a run to about 175 or so. Neither car gained on the other. We did it again a minute later or so, and again we were even, then it was time for me to exit. Was a lot of fun.. With the weather warming up I'm supposed to be getting better gas mileage, but my foot is having other ideas!
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Etharmon : Fog lights are a must on the Intrigue. The car has a VERY Aurora like look to it when they are on. My wife followed me in the Intrigue once and I kept looking in the mirror and admiring the good looks, especially with those fogs on.
Noticed in a Tahoe ad today that the rims look a lot like the 2000+ Intrigue rims. I guess other divisions are already helping them selves to the Oldsmobile treasure chest.
Was also disappointed in "Almost Famous" should have rented it.
I had a dice with a 4.6L Mustang several years ago. My camaro has 215 hp, and the Mustang had 215 hp. At the light i jumped a car length ahead and stayed there until we shut down at 70 mph. I just have to remind myself to shift at 4800 rpm, because the camaro has no top end power. I suspect that if we had done a rolling start from 55 mph, he would have beaten me.
I have actually gained on a 4.6L Mustang on the highway in the intrigue, but there were three people in the Mustang.
Tomorrow I have a little 400 mile business jaunt; straight southbound I-75 into the heart of Asian owned auto supplier plants serving the Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans of American. Don't worry I am dealing with 100% American owned businesses..
Isn't it funny that the Japanese have stole a great percentage of our auto business and their banking institutions are busted-broke-and near belly-up. As you know I could say more about this whole mess for it is helping to pan our stock market on a daily basis..
The worst is yet to come!!!!
I still think the cornering lamps are a bit odd. Last night on the freeway I made a lane change and the cornering lamp lighted the entire side of the vehicle in the next over lane. It was kinda embarassing really. My buddies that ride with me all think they're cool though.
I remember someone posted a bit back saying he/she hated the sound of the turn signal lamps. I quite like them really. I feel like I'm in a foreign car when I hear the loud ticks. I just like them.
Does anyone else always hit their foot on the parking brake lever when getting out? Dang that bugs me. I sat in a Catera the other day and loved how the floor was level with the door. I have big feet and it's pretty difficult to get out of my Intrigue since the floor's so much lower than the door opening.
Maybe I should be in advertising but I really have this commercial in my mind about a guy pulling up in a black Intrigue, a lady standing on a balcony... it's night... she's in a long white scarf... he says "come away with me Lucille"... and then they're seen getting into the sleek black Intrigue and the song "come away with me Lucille, in my merry Oldsmobile" plays softly in the background, while a lady whispers... "Intrigue.... Oldsmobile"
Can be purchase for 19.99 @ Target. Great sound quality.
jg28: hmm I never thought of the embarassment of the cornering lamps. Now I'm going to be self conscious of that. Maybe they should have had more x-files related ads. I remember x-files newsgroups talking about test driving car because of deals related to the show.
If it smells fishy; then you know who bites!!!!
It's the mole; and I have been reported to the central committee!!!!
I knew our friend could not resist the temptation..
My mistake was buying an Intrigue; however that experience has been enlightened by the a group of truly well-mannered/knowledgeable, and well-spoken Intrigue owners with whom I have shared the ownership thrills..
jg28 - I hit the parking brake when I get in the car all the time. Then I don't know if I set it part way or not so I set it all the way and then release it just to make sure. Pain in the rear.
Does anyone else feel that the radio controls in the steering wheel are kind of a waste? There isn't a AM/FM button so I have to take my eyes off the road to change to FM1, FM2 and AM. That means I spend a few seconds trying to find the button because I don't drive the car a lot. Sort of defeats the purpose. Also, there isn't a button to switch between cd/tape/radio. If the bean counters left this out because of $$ then they should have just left it out all together. I will admit it's nice to have volume control though.
They gave me a 2000 Cadillac DeVille as a loaner. What a relic from the '80s that car is. Boring boxy styling, straight lines inside and out. No guts and a floaty suspension. The steering wheel completely obscured the speedometer when the wheel was at a comfortable height. Must have been designed for 5'1" oldsters. The column mounted shifter required an excessive amount of force to operate.
It had a few more gadgets than the Intrigue but was nowhere as fun to drive and is too big to use in-town. On the plus side, the seat belt retractor was very smooth and the sound system (not Bose) sounded better than the Intrigue.
Cadillac will probably go the way of Olds once the current 60+ generation goes away.
lee18 : Cadillac is coming out with some cool stuff. The new roadster, the EXT and CTS all look very promising and the 2002 Escalade has been getting very good reviews. Even though the DeVille is a bit old school there is some cool technology in them too.
As for Cadillac, I see their sedans not doing that well because it seems in that price range right now people either want true sports sedans (with weight balance, stick shift availability, road feel and handling), or Sport Utes. GM has a lot of UTES but no sports sedans.
jgriff, the only thing better than the Eagles Hell Freezes Over on DVD was actually being at the concert!
I like cornering lights as they give someone who may be two lanes over and about the come your way another indicator that you are changing lanes.
As for Cadillacs, I like them alot. They are not going the way of Oldsmobile. I think part of droping Oldsmobile was so that GM could focus more on their other brands and Cadillac gets alot of attention and they have some excellent models and even better ones in the pipeline. The base Deville may be rather soft riding and I think that is the intention, but the DTS version is pretty impressive and did pretty well in a comparision test MT did with luxury sedans costing nearly $20K more. The STS is a very underrated car as it is a far better value than an MB E-class and unless sheer performance it your number one criteria, it is a better buy than a 5 series Bimmer.
The BOSE in my Intrigue was heads & shoulder BETTER, than what Acura put in the CL [it is adequate at best].
I have bought & sold 4 new foreign models over the last decade, never have I even come close to paying MSRP. To me any discounts less than 500 would be deemed as merely a dealer token discount and one might as well be paying full price.
I wonder if any one here, remembers how much discounting [if any] Olds was giving during the first 6-12 months of the Intrigue introduction back in 97-98??
The downside is that it is a little bright sounding and i am not sure how i feel about being placed in the middle of the band. Seems a little unrealistic to me. I prefer my surrounds to give me ambient and bounceback info.
I actually prefer the Fleetwood Mac dvd in PCM and the Peter Frampton one in DTS.
Was driving around yesterday like a granny and really appreciate the seamless tranny shifts and the smoothness of the engine.
Tires have lost a lot of tread and it is quieter because of it. still noisy over concrete though.
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etharmon :: You lucky dog you, that would have been the best, NO doubt. But at least with a DVD you can play it over & over til you get tired of it. Todays modern tech is wonderful, keeps getting better & better.
FWIW: I do miss the 8-speaker BOSE setup on the Ingtrigue, it had more BANG and sounded a lot better than the 6-speaker BOSE on my other car [you know the one].
ickes : I'm not sure the Cutlass name would have helped Intrigue. I don't think it would have hurt though.
It's amazing how many of us are into these music DVDs. I want to get the Eagles DVD, but it seems like it's always sold out or not on sale. I'm not paying $30 for it.
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I do believe the cutlass name would have helped recognition. People would have come into trade their old cutlasses (cutli?) and moved right into the new one without a thought. It could have been named cutlass without the Supreme, and would have built on the history of the name going back to the sixties.
The perfromance version could have been called Cutlass GT or better yet, W-30.
"But that's not important now." (Airplane 1980)
I still feel like my next car will be anaother intrigue. The Grand Prix is interesting, but its interior is too boy racer. What is up with all of those identical sized buttons all over the place?
Pontiacs are from the more is better school of design. I think i am past all of that now. Maybe 10 years ago, but not now.
Don't see how i can possibly go back to a pushrod motor in a sedan again. I have been spoiled by the shortstar and after having lived with it for two years, i see why everybody likes a OHC motor.
My car is two years old today. I purchased it March 22, 1999. I put some amorall on the tires in celebration. We have had the worst weather for the last 5 days so i wasn't able to wash it.
I read in the car rags about the styling being bland. What are these people thinking about? It is my belief that they hire kids fresh out of journalism school who have no experience or point of reference. Or maybe their only experience is asian cars. Maybe they think the honda accord is actually good looking.
The intrigue is probably the best all around looking wbody car, although the grand prix has some angles.
Diana Krall put out a cd called "Love Scenes" a few years ago. It is recorded incredibly well.
Keb Mo' is great too, but turn down the bass if you have the dimensional sound system. This cd is a little bass heavy.
A DVD too avoid is, Paul Simon the "Graceland Concert", below VHS picture quality is the reason.
Talk at you later.
The 400 mile trip to Buckeye land and Asian factories saw 342 miles netting 27.20mpg.. Not bad for 75 miles was stop/go; balance btw 2250/2500rpms..Saw about 25 miles of 90+ with a Dodge Durango sporting a manufacturers license plate with a female driver.
Spent 3 hrs in the business meeting and returned home filling up with gas south of Toledo at a new station off I-75..I paid $1.23/gal and then I went across the street for a cup of coffee at the new Tim Hortons; I glanced at the revised gas pricing of $1.45/gal where I had been five min. earlier..
OPEC loves spring and summer in the USA; the camel jockeys sure enjoy the game.. God bless the liberals and the enviro whackos who put us in this mess. We are being held hostage, once again!!!!
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A lady in my office just bought a 2001 Maxima. I was talking to her about it and I told her I looked at the Maxima but decided on the Intrigue for a number of reasons. She looked at me and said.. "who make the Intrigue"? Just another example of Oldsmobile's marketing failure.
GM, on the other hand, persisted through the late '80's and '90's with mediocre designs reminiscent of the glory days of the '70s and early '80's. GM was not only unresponsive to a new customer base, they were completely unaware that it existed at all! The Cutlass' and Eighty-eights of the nineties are one of the reasons that Olds tanked at the turn of the century. Continuing with obsolescent designs for a dead-or-dying demographic turned out to be the sure formula for loss of customer-base and prestige; and eventually the entire division
I rented three different Oldsmobile's during business trips in 2000: 1999 Intrigue, 1999 Eighty-eight, 2000 Alero. I drove the Alero for a week in Reno, the Eighty-eight for five days in New Mexico, and the Intrigue for three days in Seattle. I honestly could not believe that the same company manufactured these designs! The Eighty-eight epitomized everything mediocre about American sedans. It was offensive in the sense that it was completely inoffensive; GM could have marketed it as "the generic alternative to stylish automobiles: the Oldsmobile SEDAN (in generic block font...)." Sell 'em to the AARPs while they can still sign the checks!
When GM finally developed a decent product the apparently felt they didn't need to tell anyone about it. The marketing of the Intrigue/Alero wasn't just bad, it was virtually non-existent. With the exception of the X-files campaign, the Oldsmobile was the stealth division from a marketing perspective. The only reason I ended up test-driving and purchasing an Intrigue was the fact that I'd driven the rental. GM certainly didn't intrigue me (bad pun intended). Putting the Cutlass name on the 98 Intrigue would have turned off both the established AARP Olds market and the younger, import-buyer demographic. Although, frankly, even BAD marketing is better than no marketing at all...
EXACTLY. Its humored me those who push here that the car's name (i.e. not Cutlass) was one cause of its sales failure. Go buy a Buick as that fits your demographic.
Anyone know Leo Burketts(sp?) email address, the folks who are the ad agency that never copped a clue that they had to know the product they were marketing? Love to send them a oiece of my mind on this issue!
The Regal line offers a better presentation of distinction between the models ranging from the sublime to the GS/performance version. The main idea here is to show that the GTP/GS has a different suspension and different engine to push the performance level upward..
With the Intrigue; it's the trim levels that count--nothing else.. In the process of developing the Intrigue, the Olds people should have swallowed a little pride and recruited some Pontiac cats.
Olds did a better job on the Alero by offering several engine options and a performance suspension option..At least there is a vast mechanical difference between the bottom and the top-end..
Just some thought items where Pontiac scores high and sells alot of cars using existing products that were in the GM pipeline..Olds took a pile of corporate money and frittered it away on the 3.5 w/o any message or slogan to get peoples attention. The sleepy division totally went into a coma with their new products; became tongue-tied and forgot what the original mission was all about.. The OSV should have hit the street quick with different wheels, suspension tweaks, and a modified exhaust for a few bucks; but they screwed around trying to promote a supercharged 3.5L or a Northstar infusion..
Once again Olds people tried to shoot for the moon; and the GM brass got tired of throwing good money down the drain so they decided to shut down the money drain--Oldsmobile and its non-automotive people..
You know the AARP bunch at Buick outclassed Olds using old products in the process.
The regal interior is just plain awful.
WHAT ARE YOOOOOOOOOOOOU DOING?!?!?!
Ford Motor Company is requesting that their major suppliers move operations to Mexico if they wish to continue supplying in the future.. They will support assembly operations only with UAW folks.
The days of the $100,000/yr union janitors and assembly hands is coming to an end.. The honeymoon is coming to a close for the arrogant union bosses for there will be no one left to intimidate..
Next we must address the Asian style of business which tends to somehow escape scrutiny...There is no bidding in reality; for you as an Asian owned supplier are told what you can charge for your product and you accept, or pack up and go home. Don't forget the Japanese banks and government are insolvent big time; and the USA keeps their system alive. If their auto business takes a dive like our Big 3 is going through now---watch the Dow head South big time..
Thanks for mentioning the Toyota Group, really turns me on... Toyota does a slick job with marketing of Camary with it's 136hp for $16k through the ES 300 Lexus of 210hp for $33k. The funny thing most of the 300 Lexus buyers know that they are getting a schmoozed Camary; but the dealer walks them through minefield and helps relieve them of their grenbacks.. I read a few of the ES postings and it is not much of a car; in fact, it is somewhat fragile!!!!! The Lexus dealer has a license to steal; but they are smooth; not like the Mercedes dealer who is somewhat uppity...
Take time out today to be kind to your Intrigue. Just passed 1600 miles on the oil change and to my amazement it is down a pint, maybe; all depends which side of the dip stick you read!!!! Not bad on the oil for it is dealer grade--bulk whatever--low bidder type fluid..
May do the Niagara Falls run next week to check out my Canadian supplier..Get ahold of the Canadian $$$$$ and go wild!!!! Wife likes to stay at the White Oaks Inn, Niagara-on-the-Lake for the tennis and exercise areas..great eating place..