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Also, in driving the car today, I was not sure the problem had been completely fixed. The pulsation at high speed braking had stopped, but I thought I detected some pulsation just before coming to a stop.
What are the immediate safety implications of the pulsations? I noticed the pulsation just before taking a 1000 mile trip. I took the trip anyway, before getting the problem fixed. Was that dumb?
The wheels had been touched only once by someone other than a GM dealer. 3,000 miles ago, I had the tires rotated by a service station near my house. The guy said he always uses a torque wrench (he showed it to me) and that he always uses the torque pressure recommended by the manufacturer. He showed me his wall chart, showing recommended torque wrench pressures for each make, and the pressure shown for the Intrigue was indeed the same as that shown in my owner's manual. I believe the guy did it right.
The dealer still has no clue about what is causing the driver's side door to lock itself after I close the door. The suspect this week was a wiring short in the front door, but that did not pan out. Frequency of occurrence is increasing, from about once every 2 or 3 weeks, when I first reported on this earlier this year, to several times a week now. It's still more an annoyance than a problem.
I'm used to revving my 4 cyl cars pretty high. The valve covers will leak oil if you do this, but hey, cars should be fun to drive. If you want to protect your car, leave it in the garage.
;^)
Friends of the friends we visited really liked the Intrigue. It's too bad there is only 1 year left to get one. ;-)
Hey, I'm willing to let complete idiots put as much distance between me and them as possible!!
He must have been absolutely creaming that little 3 cyl. engine, tho....
As I used to participate in this forum over a year ago, I remember all the discussions regarding steering shaft and/or half shaft problems. As the warranty as about to expire I wonder if someone who had those problems can recognize these symptoms. I want to advise her to take it to the dealer but, I am worried that they will simply refuse to acknowledge the problem as it appears to be in a very early stage. If it was not to the warranty expiring in 800 more miles I would advise her to drive the car until more pronounced symptoms appear.
Any help from people who experienced the above problems would be appreciated.
I won't paraphrase. Here's the paragraph straight from the article:
Is there a possibility of production? "It's hard to make a business case," acknowledges the automaker's President of North American Operations, Ron Zarrella. But Cien may already have won an important champion in the form of Bob Lutz, the legendary "car guy," who is GM's new product czar. Stay tuned, say senior insiders. If new Cadillac products, like the CTS and Evoq, score with consumers, the Cien may suddenly make sense as a part of the expanding Caddy line-up.
Is this not the type of vehicle Caddy needs to improve it's image? The Prowler wasn't/isn't meant to have high volume production. But it DID get people into the showroom.
"It's hard to make a business case." Here's one Ronny, MAKE THE DIVISION PROFITABLE!
This is why Bob Lutz was an important move by GM. To keep soap salesmen like Zarella in check.
Yuck!
Someone here said that the word "polarizing" is over used. This is a classic case of the proper use of the word and an indication that it is not overused.
As for me, I like it a lot. Particularly from the top. The first picture of it reminds me a lot of the Acura NSX. From the top it has an (edgy) resemblence of Speed Racer's Mach 5. But that's just me :-)
;^)
As for the latest concepts from GM, what can I say? Grotesque maybe, in the case of the Caddy and GMC. GM's design themes these days seem totally out to lunch. They seem to have lost their soul and are relying on computers to guide their designs. How sad.
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I would also like to get to the bottom of this problem. I have a '98 "Autobahn" version of the Intrigue. The Intermediate halfshaft was replaced years ago and I am now at 55,000 miles.
Based on information I got on this forum I went to my dealer to get this problem fixed. I referred to GM TSB 010232002 regarding a front strut problem in early build Intrigues. They agreed to replace the struts with a $100 deductible.
After the fix the problem is reduced but it is still there! I agree that it seems to be a bad bearing or perhaps something loose in the steering. After driving 500 miles back from Ontario to Chicago last night I can say that I do not notice any problem when going straight (duh!) but when following a curve using cruise I can feel it. Before it seemed to be related to movement of the suspension. I would really like to get this problem nailed down as otherwise it is a great vehicle.
Re Rotors-
Based on my experience, the warped rotors are not likely to be caused by improper torquing after tire rotations. There are just too many people having problems even when the dealers are rotating the tires (including me). It has now been 13,000 miles since I had the rotors replaced under warranty and the problem has not returned. In my opinion machining the rotors to correct this problem is a waste of time and money, the problem will continue to return and you will have to replace the rotors anyway after many miles of aggravation.
One wonders how long the current management regime will last if GM continues to flounder the way they are. Looks like Olds wasn't the only problem GM had. Maybe if they could design a good-looking car things would pick up.
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Hey, I guess that means that you were not able to get pass the 6cyl. Accords. And I know you could not fly by the refined 225hp TL/CL hehehe <grin>.
Take it easy - - Life is short, play hard.
ab348 : GMC Envoy is a complete sell out. The plant is working overtime to get more out there. Pickups are selling very well also as are Yukons. I guess the masses don't agree that GMC trucks don't look good. I think you just generally hate everything GM.
One success does not make a company. I like the Envoy myself, though not $45K worth. However, apparently the earnings warning was based in part on truck sales and/or profitability being eroded. Since GM is uncompetitive in the sedan market, that is a major red flag.
I am not a GM hater at all (see earlier posts) but I do think their current management is doing them a great disservice. You need to take off those rose-colored glasses.
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I would be very surprised if the Intrigue breaks 20,000 sales for the 2002 model year. Probably closer to 15,000.
It is a shame.
GM needs to offer incentives right away to keep up momentum and the factory running.
Regal sales are really bad too. GM should have given the Intrigue and Regal the same wheelbase as the impala/grand prix.
GMC Envoy, now that is one nice SUV. One heck of a powertrain too. I actually like if the best of the three with the Bravada a close second. I'm glad I got the Intrigue when I did as I don't really know what else there is in that price range that I really like. Some may disagree, but GM is VERY competitive in the sedan market. If they weren't then I certainly would not have ended up with the Intrigue.
mosaix : I know all about that switch. I love blowing in on the highway at a 120kph with the engine rip'n. Whoo ahhhh! Almost makes me wish I worked farther from home. ;-)
>> You say GMC trucks offer nothing great. Sales disprove your theory.
I said nothing of the sort. I have no knowledge of GMC trucks at all. You must be attributing comments of others to me.
>> You say an Envoy cost C$45K. So does a Pathfinder or and Exploder with the same equipment.
True. I just don't see $45K of vehicle or value in any of them.
>> You say GM is uncompetitive in the sedan market. Can't be that bad as they still sell more sedans than anyone in North America.
Yes, it's amazing how many sedans Avis, Enterprise and Budget buy each year.
>> Market share is being lost and things must change, not doubt about it.
Here, we agree. I don't think much of their decisions so far to change things though.
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The engine is the thing i miss most about my intrigue.
"I just don't see $45K of vehicle or value in any of them". Then why single out the Envoy?
"it's amazing how many sedans Avis, Enterprise and Budget buy each year"
>> Actually, I think this is a major loss of sales for GM. Car rental companies are using more japanese cars than ever these days.
YES I agree more changes are needed BUT, I think they are finally moving in the right direction. Your comments indicate the opposite.
2. And are they (GM) hitting the quality marks/standards [ie. the TB/Envoy/Bravda all had out the chute recalls].
What a rush! Boy that was fun! Can't wait to go home. Maybe I can pit it against a Corvette. I know I won't have a chance to win that one but it will be nice to see how long I can last against it.
The combined sales of this platform make it the best selling one in the US with a significant margin over the 2nd one, Camry.
Although fun-wise I think that any of these beat the Camry, it seems to offer more of what the consumers want. GM could learn a few tricks here...
I did not "single out" the Envoy. As I said, I *like* the Envoy. The only reason I even made reference to it was in response to you raising it in defence of GM by describing it as a sell-out.
This is off-topic of Intrigue (the inept marketing of and ultimate cancellation of which was another huge GM mistake in my view) so we should close this off for now.
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The W cars have been a cash cow for GM. The earlier samples had a ton of brake related problems and other relibility issues but they were generally dependable cars. Today's W Body cars are the second generation of the original 1988 W Body platform. The Regal, Grand Prix were re-designed last in 1997, the Intrigue came in 1998 (Replacing the Olds Cutlass Supreme) and finally the Impala, Montecarlo (Replacing the Lumina) in 2000. The Buick Century was an A-body car until 1996. In 1997 it was moved up to the W body platform.
If you come to think of it, your Intrigue, Impala, etc. etc is riding on a 13 year old platform...
ab348 : Yes, way off topic. Concepts are just that... concepts. I agree the Terra4 is scary, but it will never be built. I doubt the Cien will either, but I like it. Back to the Intrigue...
After reading a number of articles, my impression is that the next generation Grand Prix will have some Intrigue qualities to it. I really have high hopes for this car. It is crucial that GM have a solid mid size sport sedan or they will loses people like me next car around.
brand new in 97/98, although the pltaform name remained. Regardless of the
owners and those now not (and who continue to haunt us here, although why
is unknown), who perhaps have had bad experiences with the cars, the platform
is considered to quite good in the industry.
dindak - I recently moved where I am further from work and there are lots of wide open roads on the way. My commute used to be 80% city driving, now it's about 80% open highways. The Intrigue is now getting the workout that it deserves. It gets to do 3500+ rpm quite often. I love living further from work! I can see why people doing mostly city driving would probably prefer the 3800.
BTW, one2one, not trying to be a know-it-all, but there is no such thing as a Trans Am Formula, just like there is no such thing as a Impala Monte Carlo. Two different trim packages. The Formula looks just like a regular Firebird; no extraneous appendages like the Trans Am. And, no offense, but there has never been an Intrigue made that could stay with a new TA. If you ran with him, he was either: A) Not trying B)driving an old and tired TA or C) not trying. It's just a matter of about 375 hp vs 215. I know they're rated at 310-320 hp; they are actually underrated by about 20%; shhhhhh, don't tell the insurance companies. It is more fun than you can possibly imagine. My Intrigue runs and sounds wonderful, especially when it gets up "on the cam." But the Formula sounds like a Winston Cup car and it pulls hard from idle all the way to redline.
I've got a Silver 2000 GL with spoiler (a must).