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Or is that Mutt and Jeff.
If i were 1way i would start at 14K, and if they didn't take it walk away.
jg28 : Did you test a 4 or a 6 cyl model?
mfd37 : Congrats! I don't think there is any common fit and finish issue. The cars all seem to have unique issues in this regard. A 2002 model should be pretty good. The worst ones are the 98s (as I'm sure you would guess).
Car is pretty cool and neat looking but i think it is a little overpriced when heavily optioned.
Intrigue/impala have a much more open feeling and feel roomier especially in the backseat. Better visibility.
GM mitakenly thought the Intrigue would sell it self, but buyers didn't know where to get one. Also, older buyers wanted a "new Cutlass or 98" and walked out when they couldn't get one. If it had a Saturn name on it, we wouldnt be playing "Taps" for it
Dindak, it was a v6 that I test drove. The tranny was smoother or the engine; nice 17inch wheels too. Very very nice power. I thought the interior was nice even though everyone says it's hard plastic. It's certainly not the cheap plastic that's on the underside of our Intrigues.
oldsman01 : I agree. Zero advertising since the x-files campaign. Oldsmobile really needed to hammer home performance if they wanted to change their image. Imagine an Intrigue in place of the 02 Altima in those new ads. Now THAT WOULD HAVE SOLD INTRIGUES!!!
Purchased with cash from Wilson in Richmond hill.
Spent 3.5 hours at dealership on closing date, they worked you all over from a $1000 difference to $200, they made you wait and wait and intended to wear you down. To get the best deal, you must prepared to walk away.
With all these dealerships, i found a severe lack of product knowledge, response time is from none to 2 weeks. Most would like to charge me the same profit margin as in other time of the year.
I don't know the difference between pcs and non-pcs, as i never own one before.
Now I have to look for some really good polish and wax to fix this scratch problem.....
Yep, did it all by myself. I used a blowdryer. In fact, the only things you'll really need are a blowdryer and regular rubbing alcohol. The instuctions basically say to position the piece BEFORE removing backing (belive me, you don't want to try pulling it off), clean area w/alcohol, wipe provided expoxy onto area, heat the wood so it's flexible, remove the backing and place in desired spot. I added a little more to that. I also heated the dash where I was going to place the wood. That way when the wood cooled, the dash and wood would constrict at a similar rate. It's best to do this when the weather is warm (hot really).
Joshua Wood Trim
Exotic Wood Dash
Custom Auto Trim
Wood Dash Factory
Because of the weather, I haven't hand washed it in over a month. I've sent it thru the car wash 2x during that period. I can begin seeing swirls if I get really close. But even in direct sunlight, if you don't know they're there, you won't. And the shine and finish even when dirty are incredible! We saw another Intrigue next to us on the road, same color (Midnight Blue), and it was obvious they didn't "care for" the paint. Was clean and shined, but not like mine. And mine was dirty!
Anyway, PepBoys carries their line of products. Get the polish in the red bottle and you'll be amazed at how easily and quickly the swirls will come out.
When I bought mine, I went to carcostcanada.com and got the invoice for $45. I called the dealer and gave her the price I would pay (which was $900 over CDN invoice less the $45 I spent to get the invoice). 10 minutes later I got the ok and the deal was done. I don't have the patience to sit in a dealer for that long negotiating. Signed all the papers I instructed her to have ready when I got there and I was on my way in half an hour.
I remember the first dealer I went to was that old style "where do you want to start negotiating" type place. The 60 year old salesman was irritating me from the time I walked in. I walked out after 5 minutes of that crap.
Are the swirl marks bad or very faint?
http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svolfc.asp
Well, most buyers don't live in Michigan and know what cars Olds sells of the top of their heads. Also, they were too chicken to dump the Olds name and merge the new cars into Saturn.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Still, 150,599 cars to date is a considerable number. The car is selling very well and not necesesarily to just Police and renatl fleets. By the way, no police agencies in South Florida use Police Impalas, strictly Crown Victorias and old Caprices.
Some local police forces and the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) are now using Impala police cruisers around here. They look much better than those crappy Crown Vic's. I probably shouldn't say that as the Crown Vic's are made about 1/2 hour from here.
Set up an appointment with the dealer who had the Z and let us know your impressions.
Dindak - swirl mark is faint. cash price included the $3,500 discount. Last year i bought my foucs through auto-by-tel, $500 over invoice, checked with couple dealers, cannot match, deal done. It was really painless, however, i didn't have much luck with gm.
Ab348 - don't forget, we canadian are poorer cousin to the american. most cars are at a 25% premium (should be 50%+ using the exchange rate), except saturn which are 40 to 50% more. There are a lot of US dealers up here bidding for used car. As Jay Leno preceived the other night, $1 us$ is worth million of cdn$.
Vcjumper - need to get the name of that tint place from you. what colour did you get and how much? Anything else to watch out for (tint)?
Wherever you get it done, you get the rear window in one piece, get metallic or semi-metallic, and make sure you leave your windows closed for a week or more with the now cold weather. I think I paid $225 or $250.
I also got some of those PIAA "white" headlights. I thought it would improve vision. It doesn't really but they do look pretty sharp. I was please with how easy it is to change the headlights. The air filter isn't so easy because I had to remove the crossbar (to make sure the filter sealed properly).
The only thing I really, really don't like about the Intrigue is the placement and shape of the air filter. The 3800 was MUCH, MUCH easier to replace. That's one reason why I want the K&N-- so I don't have to go under there again for another 93,000 miles. I took the top of the housing off the hose. Didn't feel like removing the crossbar. Looking back in hindsight, it probably would have been easier to take off the cross bar.
Glad you got a good deal. Autobytel gave me a good price also, but the dealer was 45+ minutes from my house. It was too far to just pop in after work, especially through Toronto traffic.
jg28 : Is that filter for the 3.5L??
My salesperson was really good and I'd use him again in a heartbeat. One thing he pointed out to me was that there are two prices they use-- one for the walk-in buyer, the other for internet shoppers. Internet shoppers get the best price. He even showed me how they calculate the price with the invoice number(?). It's nothing more than basic encryption; you know- A=5, B=7, C=9, etc.
The reason on-line shoppers get the better price with less hassle is because GM is trying to push Buypower and justify the cost of creating and maintaining the site. I was sent 2 surveys related to it-- pre and post sale. They want the process to be as painless as possible for internet shoppers. Also, the reasoning is that if a person was diligent enough to go to their web site for their vehicle purchase, then they likely went to other sites such as Edmunds, Car Point, Kelly Blue Book, etc. and know what invoice should be. So instead of fighting with a person who probably knows as much or more about the car than the dealership, give them what they want and make up the difference on the walk-in buyer.
It was the easiest and smoothest car purchase experience I've had!
It was such a smooth experience I wanted to go back and buy another car even though I wasn't in a position to do it! They didn't even try to hustle the extra add-ons at closing. I'd purchase another GM vehicle over any other brand just because of the way I was treated. And this place sold everything from Chevy to Jaguar.
If we assume 4% power increase will translate directly to a 4% acceleration improvement (which is unlikely), then our 8 sec 0-60 time falls to 7.7. I think most of us would be hard pressed to notice that difference which is only .015g.
Any claims of improved performance are anecdotal unless some objective measurements were taken (like time acceleration runs on the same track, same day, etc.)
What's really happening is the placebo effect: I'm expecting a difference, therefore I feel a difference.
OK, fire away;-)
If we assume 4% power increase will translate directly to a 4% acceleration improvement (which is unlikely), then our 8 sec 0-60 time falls to 7.7. I think most of us would be hard pressed to notice that difference which is only .015g.
Any claims of improved performance are anecdotal unless some objective measurements were taken (like time acceleration runs on the same track, same day, etc.)
What's really happening is the placebo effect: I'm expecting a difference, therefore I feel a difference.
OK, fire away;-)
Anyone read Motor Trend? Here's some recent data from peformance kits showing the hp increase and the 0-60 improvement:
Lincoln, +50hp, .7 sec
Mustang, +150hp, .8 sec
MB E430, +107hp, .4 sec
Solara, +62hp, 1.3 sec
So what's 8hp going to translate to in 0-60? Probably less than the model to model variation.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.
Yes, it's for the 3.5. If you will recall I have a 2000 with the 3.5. K&N will tell you they don't have one that fits but I found out what the measurements were from Fram and found one within milimeters and it fits perfectly.
Ironically, one of the engines it fits is the 1995-1999 Aurora, although maybe I'm not right there. It says it fits:
1995 Buick park Ave 3.8L series II and SC
1993-95 Le Sabre 3.8L
1995 Buick Riviera 3.8L
1988-90 Deville v8 4.5L
1991-93 Eldorado 4.9L
1991, 93 Seville 4.9L
1992 Seville STS 4.9L
1994-95 Bonneville 3.8L
fits the Intrigue 3.5 just fine. I'm getting "clunk" noises when I go over bumps. Didn't someone say it was the strut boots or something? I'm beginning to hate my dealer and they hate me. I can't wait to see their reaction to this one.