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I actually answered my own question as I typed but since others might ask I figured I post it anyway :-)
We have another junk Suzuki product masquerading as a Chevy...
We have a new Caddy being introduced with an engine that has already been declared obsolete...
We have a new engine that sounds suspiciously like the one being discontinued in the Intrigue, and another with a pushrod design (when was the last time someone designed a new pushrod engine?)...
And we have what sounds like a midsize version of the atrociously ugly cladding-ridden Avalanche, which will probably be an equally ugly vehicle.
And people say that vaudeville is dead... obviously not, as long as Zarella is around.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
This is in regards to the NEXT generation Malibu, NOT the current one!
The catch?
Shipping is $10 on the first item and 18% on the rest of the order. So if you order a 25 cent screw, you will pay $10.25. You have to order a bunch of stuff to make it worth while. No tax unless you live in NC.
A few examples:
Cabin air filter:
Dealer: $25+tax Gmpartsdirect $12.52 + 18%
Plastic Lug Nut Cover for wheel:
Dealer $6 +tax Gmpartsdirect $2.07 + 18%
Wiper inserts
Dealer: $12.15 + tax Gmpartsdirect $6.26 + 18%
You need to know your part number to order. They will look it up for you if you email them,
No phone support but you can email them. Just another option for people who feel their dealers charge too much for parts.
when was the last time someone designed a new pushrod engine?...
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Chysler introduced a new pushrod 3.3L V6 to use in their resigned minivans, I think in 1993. I read somewhere this engine has been punched out to 3.8 now. Not sure if it's still using rods, though.
Good move. Keep both groups of engine consumers happy and with up-to-date offerings.
as it turns out Dodge is taking a RT version of the Intrepid and making a cop car avail.
...imagine me getting pulled over in my Intrigue by an Intrigue! perhpas Olds missed another market oppportuinity?
The "rep" is that FWD just can't take the curb-hopping abuse that RWD does.
I revved it a little every couple of secs for fear it would die again but it didn't. So, I dropped it off at the dealer.
I have a 99/3.5 with 17K miles and this has never happened before but I do have the occasional rough start and thought maybe this was another symptom of a worsening problem.
After testing, they said crankshaft sensor was faulty and replaced it. Only time will tell if this cured the problem, not to mention the occasional rough start but I'm hopeful.
;-)
one2one : Good article! Nice to see GM focusing on cars now. They have the best truck line up in the business, no reason they can do the same with the sedans and coupes!
ketch : I'm glad there aren't any Intrigue cop cars. I don't think it would have sold anyway. Police need more space. Impala seems to be about as small as they will go. The Crown Vics still seem to be the #1 choice though.
It has been smooth (well sort of, except for Toronto's rapidly deteriorating highway surfaces), spirited sailing and I am still on my original brake parts (though I doubt that will stay the case for long!).
I also enduced a "Holy #$@!" from a friend in the passenger seat when I stomped on it to get by some slower moving traffic on the highway tonight and did a 60-90mph (mostly in second gear) run then stuck it in cruise. He was quite impressed as I still am (most people call my car the boat for its largesse)! I may not be able to beat his VR6 when he gets it, but I'll give him a good run.
I'm looking forward to adding a lot more to my current mileage over the next 5 years. It still drives as new.
I believe, however, that Malibu would not big enough for police.
Delete the space between car and news in the above address. (Edmunds won't post anything that long).
Lutz loves what GM has done in the land down under. If he can bring the Holden Commador SS stateside, I'll buy one. Go, Bob go!
It does make one wonder how GM thinks. But after reading that article on Bob Lutz and how nobody liked the new Grand Prix and didn't have the gutz to say so until Lutz spoke up might explain a lot of things at GM.
What's your build date? Mine is 4-99. Anyone with a newer Intrigue experience this? I use Chevron 87 octane and always have, minus a few occasions.
Since it never happens when motor is cold (at least on my car), I'm guessing it has something to do with fuel vapor still lingering, air flow, or starvation of either for a moment when starting.
I could not get any satisfaction from my dealer.
Sometimes if i had not driven the car for several days it would run real rough for about 30 seconds. Enough to shake the car.
My guess would be early 2002, though. GM probably doesn't want to "grinch" all those workers right before Christmas.
I like the Impala a LOT,but it really is no where as fun to drive as an Intrigue,which I think is a beautiful combination of Camaro and mini-van. By that I mean it is really a very practical,useful car that still is a blast to drive.
i thought the Chev amazingly tight and quiet,but not engaging like the Olds.
As for the Pontiac,I have to admit that I can't think of a single Pontiac from the last twenty years that didn't strike me as ugly and overstyled.Whereas the Intrigue came out very handsome,really a sharp car.
Maybe it is too subtly for the typical US consumer,who knows? But car lovers know what it is,and will mourn its loss.
Detroit - General Motors announced today that its current plan is to end Oldsmobile production with 2004 models. GM previously announced that Oldsmobile products would continue to be produced and sold until the end of their current product lifecycles, or production would end earlier if market demand fell below economically viable levels. Oldsmobile production has remained unprofitable and, therefore, GM's current planning is to end production with the 2004 models. Here are the current product plans:
Product
Current Plan for Models
Intrigue 2002 - production ends 6/2002*
Aurora - V6 2002 - production ends 6/2002*
Aurora - V8 2003 - production ends 5/2003
Alero 2004 - exact build-out date TBD
Silhouette 2004 - exact build-out date TBD
Bravada 2004 - exact build-out date TBD
* As previously announced
It is not a current release as stated, but it is the last annoncement from GM as far as I know....
The M15 is in the impala and is the weaker version
(smaller torque convertor). It is also in the minivans, etc.
The MN3 is stronger and has a bigger torque convertor. It is also used in the large cars like the bonnie and the lesabre.
The intrigue is the only Wbody to use this version. I am assuming the power of the 3.5L is the reason.
MN7 is the strongest version and is used only in the supercharged cars. Regal, Grand Prix, Bonnie and Park Avenue. It has a stronger gearbox in addition to the larger torque convertor.
Interesting stuff. I wonder which version the impala cop car uses. You can see the gm powertrain site if you go to impala and look for post about
#6180. Look fo yurakm's post.
Think about it. The stronger version has a larger torque convertor so it has a lower stall speed.
Which will make the car come off the line a little slower. OHC's not withstanding.
What do you guys think?
the Speed limiter is set to 125MPH where as the civilian car is set to 115MPH.
The power steering pump has an auxiliary cooler as well.
www.gmpowertrain.com
I had heard that the 3.5L had a different tranny than the 3800 when it was first released. I guess it doesn't.
The M15 has a 245 mm torque convertor and the MN3 has a 258 mm torque convertor. About 1/2" bigger,
which would lower the stall speed slightly.
Started to install the strobe hide-aways this weekend - turns out ot be quite a job. The headlight modules were the biggest challenge, had to cut the outer casing just to get into the actual reflector area. Put 2 red and 2 clear in the headlights and 2 clear in the taillights, when I add the led bar to the dash, I think this will be very visible when I need to be seen and darn near invisible when I just want to look like a regular vehicle. Had plenty of room to add the siren speaker up under the air dam. Should have everything operational by this time tomorrow.
The wife is starting to get suspicious when I offer to run out for whatever she even hints at needing. The rolling hills of Ohio are a lot of fun in this car. I'll post another update when I get to 1000.
oldsman01 - The reason people are buying Maximas over Altima V6's is because currently the Altimas are selling for MORE than Maximas because they're 'new' (go figure). Plus, a lot of people think the Altima interior is shoddy, while the Maxima's is pretty nice.
mfd37 Oct 23, 2001 7:40am