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Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedans

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  • hoppyenghoppyeng Posts: 25
    Here are some pics on oil/filter change prior to my scheduled FSS at about 10,000 miles. Changed at 4300 miles by my mechanic. Checked with my dealer to make sure I used the same oil (Castrol Syntec 5-50W)when I bring it in for the FSS. Costs: 9 quarts of syntec $43, filter/seals/copper ring $13, labor $16.50 (cheap)


    I could have Bought Mobil 1 10-30W from Pric Club much cheaper but it is not consistent from the dealer. I want to use the same oil.


    http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4292518339

  • hoppyenghoppyeng Posts: 25
    Here are some pics on oil/filter change prior to my scheduled FSS at about 10,000 miles. Changed at 4300 miles by my mechanic. Checked with my dealer to make sure I used the same oil (Castrol Syntec 5-50W)when I bring it in for the FSS. Costs: 9 quarts of syntec $43, filter/seals/copper ring $13, labor $16.50 (cheap)


    I could have Bought Mobil 1 10-30W from Pric Club much cheaper but it is not consistent from the dealer. I want to use the same oil.


    http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4292518339

  • ghaysghays Posts: 8
    Rear Headrests: I believe that the rear headrest retraction system is pnumatic, therefore requires engine vacuum to operate

    Oil Change: hoppyeng, great pics, but you are really going to way too much trouble. The factory suggests that the engine oil be removed by vacuum through the dipstick tube. It works great, no getting under the car, no R&R panels and you actually get more oil out! I used a 'Topsider' on my C240. This device was purchased for about $40 at the local guy store. Yes, these W203's do have dipstick tubes, just no dipstick. It is near the firewall just right of the center of the car.

    Gary
  • bubba3007bubba3007 Posts: 38
    Re: Driving the C Coupe. . . Oh yeah!!! The coupe is very much like the sedan from behind the wheel, i.e. some differences in the instrument cluster, textured aluminium instead of wood trim. They only had two cars, both with automatic transmissions, so I didn't get to try a manual, darn! However the driving experience was quite different. The coupe seems to have a tighter suspension and the gearing may be a little lower (I haven't seen the specs and this may be my imagination). The car was a little quicker than my 240, as you would expect with more power. The ride was tight, but not harsh, even over the simulated "broken pavement" section of the course, after all this is still a Mercedes. I think the car is very attractive, a real looker. The seating room seemed about the same as the sedan but I really need a four door. I'd like to own one as a second car as it is a blast to drive. In comparison with the others, IMHO, the BMW comes closest but has a harsher ride and I thought, had inferior brakes, a big surprise because I have always admired BMW's brakes as being among the very best. Again, IMHO, I thought the Audi and Lexus were also runs, very good cars, but not quite in the same league, your mileage may vary.

    The car I couldn't drive but that visually impressed me the most was the C320 Estate Wagon. Now there is transportation that has it all, roomy inside, compact outside, excellent performance (based on the sedan), and a visual delight. All curves, no boxy shape for this one.

    I hope this helps, if you have any other questions please ask.

    Bubba

    "... my friends all drive Porches, I must make AMENDS..." J. Joplin
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    FYI, the C-class coupe has suspension tuning which is approximately 10% firmer than the sedan, which is why you felt that it was "tighter" than the sedan. MB retuned the suspension because they felt that it would better suit the sportier nature of the coupe, as well as its younger target customer. As you noticed, they managed to do this without compromising the existing ride and handling that you've come to expect in the C-class sedan. I too found that the interior room was actually surprisingly similar to the sedan. I read about it in the European auto magazines but I didn't really believe it until I had a chance to sit in the rear.

    I find the 3-series' brakes a bit touchy compared to the C-class. Perhaps it's because I'm used to the longer travel pedals of MBzs. I know that some BMW owners that I know feel the exact opposite way, saying that the MBzs that they test drove (the SL500 in particular) felt slow...of course it's not slow if you actually measure the 0-60 times.

    The C320 wagon is definitely stunning and I really look forward to being able to test drive one when it arrives very soon. What interests me is the C320 4-matic wagon in particular. Interestingly, my salesguy told me that in their recent product training sessions, they were all told that there is a good chance (for Canada at least) that the 4-matic system may be introduced as a late availability option for the 2002 model year, specificially around Spring of 2002. This would be similar to what happened to the E320 4-matic when it was first introduced for the 1998 model year, and it would also be in tune with launch date of the C and S-class 4-matics in Europe.


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  • cmcgaheecmcgahee Posts: 5
    Are there any new colors for C320's for 2002? Haven't seen a catalog for 2002 so am wondering if there are any changes that are important.
  • maroon95maroon95 Posts: 26
    what is the average age group for the new C-class drivers?

    do you ppl in the age group of 22 to 30 purchase this car or they choose the BMW 3-series over it? my buddy told me that the C-class is for middle age ppl

    hm...i am perplex
  • zmeenowzmeenow Posts: 341
    ahhh the image... what will people think of me? im 32 and i wanna look "right".. ill buy a.. beemer! cruisin down the road..stop at a light.. and whats next to me? a 50 yr old silver haired fox! IN A... NEW BEEMER??? OH NO MY IMAGE!! no ill get a..... MB! cruisin down the road... stop at a light.... whos next to me???? A WOMAN??? AND SHES MAYBE..... 56(57?) OHH NOOO!!!!
    hey the average age group buys the car THEY enjoy driving ... no matter what the age!
    IMHO
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    If this is leading to questions about religous beliefs, ethnic background, salary, and sexual preference I'm not answering. However, if I ever want to buy a car to fit in a group I'll pick Mensa. Do you know what kind of cars they buy?
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >However, if I ever want to buy a car to fit in a >group I'll pick Mensa. Do you know what kind of >cars they buy?

    Well...Mercedes has the "smart key", but I bet that is not the answer :)
  • 404c404c Posts: 146
    I think most Mensa members drive 1974 AMC Gremlins.
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    Mensa and Gremlins oh no! I want a car that better defines the true me. How disappointing, I'll have to pick a new group until I come up with a car that I like.
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    I forgot, I did buy the car that I like. Maybe you're right, now I just need to know what group I'm in. See, never judge someone too quickly.
  • zmeenowzmeenow Posts: 341

    smart key!! mensa!!! gremlins!!i loove it!
  • bubba3007bubba3007 Posts: 38
    I thought that coupe felt tighter - not anything harsh, but just a bit more "on tiptoes".

    Regarding the brake test; the portion of the course for the brake test was to accelerate to about 45 mph and hit the brakes, panic stop, set off the anti-locks, smoke the tires type of stop. The Cs all seemed to stop in a shorter distance than the BMW, there was no measure of the stopping distance, just a seat of your pants kind of thing, but I came away with more confidence in the M-B.

    Hey guys, I'm an old codger, 66 - retired four years ago, but I just don't like a Buick ... Can I get a special dispensation or something so I can continue driving my new toy ... Please???

    Bubba

    "... my friends all drive Porches, I must make AMENDS..." J. Joplin
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The sport setup, being about 10% firmer than the sedans, provides marginally better control and agility as well.


    Regarding the braking, perhaps it has to do with Mercedes' Brake Assist. A while back Motor Trend TV (I think) reported that the E55 outbraked the M5 by a notable amount in the 70-0mph test because of Brake Assist being able to apply full brake boost quicker and more consistently than a normal driver. This may be why you felt that you had more confidence + the entirely possible shorter stopping distances than the other cars.


    From my experiences in repeat braking maneuvers, I can say that it really does work very well in panic stops. I was stopping my M-class SUV in a shorter distance than many of the BMW cars in the class. I was actually quite amazed by this! The instructor had never heard of Brake Assist and was impressed with the capabilities of the brakes as well. I have no doubt that the C-class would perform extremely well in this same maneuver.


    If you're interested in what I'm talking about above, you can see a video clip by clicking here.


    Enjoy the drive,

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  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Sometime ago, methinks there was a single post asking if anyone had distortion on their windshield. From the Obsidian driver seat, when looking to the front/right of the window and from the passenger seat, looking to front/left, there is very definitely distortion. Ordinarily, I would think it was because of the curve to the glass, but I did not notice this on the Black C320.

    This does not make me "crazy" and is not distracting. I will mention it to service at a future date, but I am not in a hurry to have a windshield replaced. I would be interested to learn if this is normal or to be expected.

    Miki
  • zmeenowzmeenow Posts: 341
    was sitting in a friends beemer last week... and looking sideways across the winshield... noticed a definate rippling distortion that was not eveident while lookng straight into glass.... i didnt say anything... hes a fanatic@
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    I see it too under certain conditions...correct angle and lighting. Very minor, doesn't bother me.
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Thank you, Mark -- Although I wrote in my post that the distortion would not make me "crazy", I do feel much better knowing it is probably common since you have the same experience. It is as you say -- most noticed with correct lighting and angle.

    Gary -- You made the right decision to not tell your friend :)

    Miki
  • ssmith701ssmith701 Posts: 4
    As the owner of both an (2000) E-320 wagon and a 2001 C-320 (Sport Edition), I've experienced quite a number of small, irritating problems with the C. Most have been fit/finish issues, and two or three pretty significant rattles, one of which the dealer continues to work on, all centered in the right front passenger dash/door area. Another major problem was that the radio began to "arc" (their term, not mine) which caused a complete replacement of the entire system, including bezel/faceplate, amplifier (2X) and all wiring!
    I read today in CAR where MB is experiencing MAJOR quality problems. Having had two VOLVOs both with MAJOR QUALITY issues which drove(pardon the pun) me to M-B, I was hoping for something more.

    Don't get me wrong, great riding and driving car, but these issues are causing concern. Anyone else experiencing these types of problems?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Steve, this has been a continuing theme in this forum; while not suggesting you go back and read 3500 posts, it would be a good idea to go back a bit and see for yourself. As an owner of a baker's dozen MBs, I too am less than thrilled at the experiences of the collective group represented here.

    I see a lot of patience and forbearance among this group, but then I am also seeing a lot of first-time owners, who may not have the same expectations of the marque as do folk like me. It is no secret in Europe that MB has the enthusiast publications nipping at their heels over this issue. They simply have to get a better handle on the performance of their subcontractors, especially the electronic suppliers. It's also obvious that they are not doing the extensive preproduction testing that used to be taken for granted, in the name of being competitive and getting products to market sooner.

    None of this is to say that the world has come to an end - these are still very desirable cars with a heritage that no one else can touch. But at the end of the day, the new products have to uphold the traditions of the heritage, or it ultimately is valueless. I think current management has a lot of work to do - too much distraction from Chrysler and Mitsu and trying to be a global heavyweight and too little sticking to the knitting.
  • zmeenowzmeenow Posts: 341
    i giot one of the 1st production models to make it here in nov... i have had 2-3 very small issues re fit finish,but they were attended to quickly. My only complaint would be that the engine(i have c240) is,at time sluggish.. moreso woth the ac on. /i was tols before i bought it,that the car will not burn up the roads... and i was buying a MB for TOTAL quality,, not 0-60 mph times.
    all in al, the car has met.. and in more cases exceeded my expectations.im also aware that others have had,at the very least annoying problems... occasionally more... i hope everyone gets them selved.. and can enjoy their cars!
    miki... i do have compassion!!
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    zmeenow wrote:
    >miki... I do have compassion!!

    Gary -- Indeed you do :) You exercised amazing self-control by not telling your fanatic friend that his BMW windshield had distortion. 'Twas very admirable. :)

    Miki
  • w2p2w2p2 Posts: 63
    Have a C-320. The auto window on the back passanger side works off and on. Also , using the ECS( I think thats what its called) button to keep the car cool as I run into the store doesn't work that great. In fact the air coming out of the vent stinks. If I don't turn it off once I restart the car the air doesn't get cold. It may do better in the winter for heat, but its useless for the summertime. Anyone have success with this feature?
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Well everyone, it had to happen -- first chips appeared yesterday --four tiny pinhead ones on the top front of the hood near the headlamp. Working hard to practice what I preach and not let them bother me. I am somewhat successful in this endeavor; not nearly as upset as I was with the Black 320 because I am mentally and emotionally prepared :)

    My two help aids:

    1. When looking at the car, I avoid looking at the chips, and concentrate on enjoying the total shiny and beautiful appearance of the total car (this is the hard part).

    2. I will call the dealer-recommended mobile paint company that comes to the house to fix the chips (this is the easy part). Since the cost is the same for all chips, methinks I will wait for more to appear -- and they will, just as sure as the sun rises and shines. I also think the dealer will do it for me at this point, too.

    Miki
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Bill, the "Eco" (Economy) button is to turn the A/C off when you just want to run the fan. The REST feature, which is also located on the same button, is to keep the car warm and not cool for up to 30 minutes after it has been shut off. Basically it keeps the fan and coolant pump (I think) running at low speed so that heat still gets pumped into the cabin. Very useful in the winter months. You have to turn it off if you get into the car before the 30 minute shut-off timer because you're running without the A/C on with the Eco mode button depressed. That's why the air coming out of the vents doesn't feel cool. Please read the owner's manual again for more specifics on the automatic climate control system. It may be boring (to some), but it helps! :-)

    Miki, my condolences...as you know the first chip or ding is the toughest, but at least you're taking it in stride! ;-) I haven't had a single chip on my M-class' hood, knock on wood, thanks partly to the hood deflector. However, I've had two pin-sized ones on the front bumper.


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  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Drew -- Thank you for your compassion. Under the circumstances we are both holding up well :) I had so many frustrations with the Black that there was no room for joy. With the Obsidian, I made up my mind to concentrate on the joy.

    I am happy for your good luck and lack of chips (knock on wood), but I don't know about hood deflectors. Are they just for the M-class?

    Miki
  • w2p2w2p2 Posts: 63
    no wonder it didn't keep the car cool! I guess I need to re-read my manual.
    Now for some good news, I am getting 26.4 MPG on the average!!!!
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