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What about not being able to return electrical parts to Clairparts if the thing doesn't work? I fried a new radio once on a VW GTI due to someone else's improper previous wiring attempt, so am a bit apprehensive.
- Paul
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler AG beat market expectations with its second-quarter results on Friday helped by a stronger than expected performance at its loss-making U.S. Chrysler unit, sending the stock higher.
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Mercedes-Benz, one of the company's main profit drivers, posted a 10 percent rise in its second-quarter adjusted operating profit to 830 million euros.
($1-1.143 Euro)
Thanks to all the new C owners !!!!
>> Miki, I will verify the numbers tomorrow. With my wife driving the car lately, I have been relegated to a weekend C driver. Why do I have a feeling our cars were one after the other on the production line?
Tires - I saw a C320 + C6 that had 18' Lorinser wheels. The car had been lowered a tad and the wider tires gave it a more sportier look. I believe the fronts were 225/40/18 with 255/30/18 on the rears. It really looked sharp. Now, although I like the wider look, should I decide to keep my 16 wheels which are currently fitted with 225/50 tires, does anyone know if a wider size 16' would fit on them?
www.autobild.de
I hope this doesn't spoil it for anyone, but the winner of the test is...the C 240, with the Ford, er, Jaguar in a distant third place. That is perhaps not surprising, but that the faster BMW did not best the C 240 in the ratings scheme may be a little surprising. Most car magazines tend to be into speed above all else, but I guess Auto Bild has a more realistic attitude to car assessment.
Also interesting is the fact that the BMW's "official" fuel consumption figure, some 2 L/100 km (about 20%) better than the C 240 is proven to be false in the case of the test vehicles, as the BMW actually drank slightly MORE fuel during Auto Bild's test than the C 240. Very interesting...
If you return something to clairparts I think they charge a 10% re-stocking fee, but you better ask them.
Recently, someone in the Mercedes M-class forum (or here? these are the 2 I frequent) mentioned that he could get the OEM MB/Becker CD changer for much cheaper from another website/company. Better go there and ask.
I really need you opinons and advice on this subject. Thanks...
Jon
That is my next 'want' item after the CD player. I'm not looking to cut my springs down to the ground, but lowering them to match the Sport model specs sure would be cool.
http://www.c5-corvette.com/tirecalc.htm
It's not just the speedo error, I've heard that cars with ESP don't react too well to changes in the overall wheel/tire height. Comments?
Drew
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You'd think they'd be able to make it configure automagically by using the internal GPS from the TeleAid system...
The '02 C230K coupe will be CDN$33,950 (manual), and CDN$35,450 (automatic). The C320 wagon will be $52,850, or $2250 more than the C320 sedan. The C32 AMG is $65,900. Considering that it comes with things that are optional on the C320 Sport, the price differential is much less than I would've though. That is, below CDN$10K. Here's where it gets interesting though. The E320 sedan has an MSRP of $68,350. I bet a lot of potential E320 owners will be wondering whether they can sacrifice the larger amount of room for an AMG sedan. ;-)
On an unrelated note, the 6 disc CD changer is now standard equipment on the '02 S-class, and the '02 E55AMG. For those prices, it's about darn time! The MSRP for the S430 LWB is now CDN$101,860. The standard equipment level of the car (S-class) hasn't changed either since its debut for MY2000, and yet there is a $2K increase since then. Not impressed with their pricing structure! And the MBC president was wondering why sales are still slightly less than BMW Canada's. Ha!
Drew
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been to dealer and saw my Silver Princess finally sitting on the dealers LOT (C240 Auto, C2) dealer said the car will ready by Monday (they need to fit FREE CD changer) and I can pick up on Tuesday.
So just a littel information for 2002 buyers that the MB has increased their prices on BASE and Color ($600 and $25 resp) and I had to pay $700 more after taking into consideration taxes etc.
I just need a few checklist from current owners as what I need to look before picking up my CAR on Tuesday
I am really thankful to all of you for contributing their views about the most beautiful entry level SEDAN; in my opinion the closest competition will be a new Q from infinity (at least there Advertisement on TV is impressive)
thanks once again
I ordered my C320 (Illinois)end of May and I am now being told to expect delivery around Sept 21st. Previous delivery date was August 21 but apparently leather shortage is also causing slow down in building of C320's with leather.
What were/are your order and delivery dates?
TIA
Also was the price increase for the color standard or just for the metallic colors?
Thanks in advance
Has anyone done any research on this? Is it really OK to wait that long?
BTW - this board has been extremely helpful. I was able to figure out a lot of the electronics on my car just from your posts.
Thanks
Let's see...a year ago the Deutsche Mark was worth something near 80 cents CDN and it was possible to sell a C 240 Classic for $37,450. Now the DM is around 68 cents and the C 240 Classic price......RISES by $500, with no change in equipment. That must be the new math, as practised by MB Canada ;-)
And how about the C 32, for the equivalent of $43,000 US ($65,900 CDN). That's quite a lot cheaper than the US version. I wonder if the Canadian one has rubber flooring and wicker seats, to be able to undercut the US MSRP by $7000 US.
I think MB Canada has interesting marketers working for them - the C 240 Classic customer is way more price-sensitive than the C 32 customer. And yet the C 32 customer gets a huge price break. Curious, considering how few C 32s will be sold in Canada.
Mike
Showitt, thanks very much for the extended warranty info!
- Paul
Mike, I'm not too impressed either. Frankly I am surprised that they decided to raise the price at all because the C-class is already expensive compared to the BMW 3-series, even though there was no price increase from the '00 C280 to the '01 C320. Feel free to write to MB Canada's president, Ernest Lieb, to voice your complaint ;-). FWIW, he was actually down in Vancouver a few weeks ago at one of the local dealerships, having a meeting with the sales managers in the region.
Drew
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There is absolutely no reason to dump the oil on this OR ANY OTHER CONTEMPORARY CAR at 3000 mile intervals. The primary contaminant in the oil is unburned HC, and in the era of computerized engine controls and super-clean exhausts, the oil stays much cleaner much longer. Even with so-called severe conditions and conventional oil, anything more often than 6 months or 6000 miles is wasted effort and resources. Using synthetic oil and with an average driving cycle, 8-15,000 miles is what most owners can expect. You want to be conservative? 7500 miles as an average is super-conservative, and roughly [very roughly] equivalent to the old 3k rule of thumb.
I was fortunate to jump on a cancellation and my dealer had to just make minor changes like color and package requests; however that CAR has already been ordered by dealer for someone else; and was soon due for production; thats why I will get my CAR early; MB has raised their prices on almost everything - if your CAR is Black or White you only have to pay difference in base price which shoots up from $29,950 to $30,500. Will post accutae prices tomorrow after getting the CAR in hand -
Tom
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Just a reminder that the MB chat is on tonight (6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern). Hope to see you there!
http://www.edmunds.com/chat/mercedeschat.html
I am happy that Mercedes-Benz can make a buck or two extra in our markets, but the real question is why the 2002 US/CDN model has a HIGHER price than last year's, while the car is the same and the value of the DM has DECREASED during that same period. To me that is a very curious phenomenon.
Even if they had kept the same price as 2001 models, Mercedes-Benz would STILL be raking in some windfall dollars over here, due to the change in the exchange rate.
http://www.mbworld.org/forum/w203/board/home.html
See post "Bulletins Posted" 7/24/01
Interesting reading. Some of the problems posted here show up in these bulletins.
http://www.mvw.net/mb/
Drew
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-- but not right away as I am coming out of a computer disaster. A Dell Tech on the phone with his on-site tech succeeded in doing something that required reformatting my primary drive and secondary backup drive. GoBack was of no help, nor my Iomega 1-step backup. However,I was able to recover all my data, favorites, address book, and some set-up .exe files from my 250 zips which I also use as backup. It is so strange to be updating Year Y2K after the fact.
Miki
-- but not right away as I am coming out of a computer disaster. A Dell Tech on the phone with his on-site tech succeeded in doing something that required reformatting my primary drive and secondary backup drive. GoBack was of no help, nor my Iomega 1-step backup. However,I was able to recover all my data, favorites, address book, and some set-up .exe files from my 250 zips which I also use as backup. It is so strange to be updateding Y2K after the fact.
Miki
Miki
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FYI: production number 40,000+. Did I mention the various rattles? The lexus dealer offered to drop off a lexus for an extended test drive. I'm close to taking her up on it.
I have the same am radio problem with my C class. What was the cost of replacing the amplifier?
My intermittent engine ticking STOPPED after 5,000 miles (currently has 7500).
I've also had everything else posted here: sunroof switch, sunroof rattle, express open and close switches, mirrors not returning/seats not returning, and on and on. The seats have not rattled, but goodness knows, it seems at times that everything else has: glove box, right door panel (whole thing replaced), something in the b pillar driver side, dash (around the radio). Oh, and the express open and close feature only works, according to the SM if "you're standing at the car (less than a foot away) with the key pointing toward the door. That's what MB told me (sic)." So, that feature is virtually worthless for me. Oh, and the keys have been replaced.
Now, in the interest of balance...did I tell you what a great riding and driving car it is? I barely remember as I tool down the highway in my Saturn loaner. Oh, and the Saturn has 22,500 miles on it and has one small rattle, which I mention for the sake of balance.
Is my "C" a lemon or am I stuck with this thing and it's quirks for two more years while I wait for the depreciation to catch up?
The dealer offered me $36,500 (then upped it to $37,300) to get me out of the problems. It's a fully loaded sport edition; the only thing it doesn't have is Xenon headlights.
Our E-wagon is great. I'm really, really torn and so very disappointed.
As for the Lexus option, my recent trip to Japan just reinforced what I've always felt about the Lexus/Infiniti/Acura competitors - save your money and buy a Toyota/Nissan/Honda, because that's what you're getting. The Japanese don't have these 'luxury brands', but they are the exact same cars (i.e., there is no such thing as a Lexus in Japan).
JR
18,000 trouble free miles..... ac keeping me cool on long drives up and down new jersey(keep that rear shade up.. makes a difference!.
Thanks for posting the links to the MB service bulletins. I ran across Message #508 dated 11/1/00 which precisely describes the 'whining' noise on deceleration that I reported here in post #3559 (6/25/01). It appears that some C320s display this gear noise because the differential cover comes into contact with the rear subframe on deceleration from highway speeds. The fix is the installation of two shims to gain adequate clearance. The service bulletin says that it applies to VINs below 022063; my VIN is 031373. I've contacted the dealer service rep, and while he was not familiar with the issue, he did find the Message #508 when I gave him the reference. They are ordering the shims, and should install them next week.
Another Service Bulletin of interest is the issue of hesitation on acceleration when starting up from stop. I also mentioned this minor problem on this forum a long time ago. The Service Bulletin describes this condition as associated with "two-footed" driving, i.e. driving with the left foot operating the brake and the right foot operating the gas. I habitually do this when backing out of my driveway, stopping, and then starting ahead. This is where I noticed the hesitation. Apparently, the throttle is held in idle for 1-2 seconds after the brake is released before responding to the new gas pedal position. The fix is to quit driving with two feet!
Tom
Any idea how the new C-Coupe is doing? Any glitches? problems? Any thoughts would be appreciated?
thank you