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  • Jack44Jack44 Posts: 221
    Thinking about trading in my 93GS on a new one...Notice that Buick has not only raised Base MSRP [$55]..., but now Anti-lock brakes [$600]...driver side-impact air bag [$350]..and Monsoon stereo [$395]...are all options now, bumping up base price about 5%, an additional $1400...Interesting way of squezzing out more money...Looks like finding a good 2002 is the way to go...
  • Here is life driving in the big city (Los Angeles):

    With the a/c on 70% of the time in all city driving (stop and go traffic), if I get 12-13 MPG I'm a happy, happy guy. On the highway cruising 75+MPH , a/c on and driving for periods of 30+ minutes, I'll get 27-29MPG.

    Prior to buying the car (and no matter the EPA estimates), I expected no better then 25 MPG hwy and a realistic 16 MPG city. Yet here I am getting significantly better MPG on the highway and terrible MPG in the city.

    Go figure.

    On a way off topic side note, ever since I installed a craddle and exterior antenna for my cell phone, I have yet to experience a dropped call (even while sandwiched between hi-rise buidings).
  • All the manufacturers (from GM, Ford, Nissan , etc.) are keeping the MSRP at or very near the same price as last year but making what were standard items now an option. GM had an excellent incentive on most of their cars thru this past labor day (0% financing or rebates).

    I bought my '00 GS in December 2001 and there were plenty of 2000's available (here in southern California). With some incentives and shrewed wheelin' and dealin', I recall getting $3,700 below invoice (and yet to tell them about my GM dollars).

    Don't think about re-sale value. If you're going to hold on to the car for 5+ years, your best bet is to buy a 2002...preferrably in November and best in December.

    Personally, I think the 2000 - 2002 model years will be the most reliable for this version of the Regal. 1997.5 - early 1999 had a/c and engine issues - most TSBs seem to be for those model years (and is typical for any new car for the first couple years). 2003, as you see, GM is holding back on standard features and making them options...though mechanically the car hasn't changed since late 1999.

    Just my two cents..
  • Jack44Jack44 Posts: 221
    With your two cents, and a what's left of my GM Card dollars, a wait 'til November/December to upgrade appears to be the most logical...I will look around then on GM's www.gmbuypower.com site to locate a 2002...

    It was just an interesting observation to note the revised options list...

    I still have my 93GS which still runs and looks great...Great comfortable seats for SF to LA occasional drives cruising at 90...Still getting 29 mpg...But, sometimes you have to upgrade...
  • Bite my tongue for suggesting such a thing, but if your next car can be something other then a Regal, ...

    In the same price range, look at an Altima, Mazda 6 - I have heard you can get a V8 Aurora loaded for $29K out the door! There are just too many possibilities available today then just two years ago. I've read great things about a loaded 2003 Accord with an inline 6 and a Nav system for under $30K.

    In today's climate, even the Regals SC engine no longer sets it apart from the othrs in terms of performance. As for luxury appointments, what was a bargain two years ago no longer applies.
  • That what you say about the Regal's fading competitiveness in the marketplace is all too true. Maybe the '04's will restore things. In the meantime, those Buicks are selling for a lot less than $29K. My '02 LS Abboud stickered just under $29K, but I took it home for $22K [GM bucks helped, up to the $2K max]. And it's still a great driver. Smoother and less attention-getting than the 3.5 Altima I considered [about $5K more than the Regal, comparably equipped]. I'll be keeping this one [unless it goes "lemony" on me]. Which still begs the question, "Why can't GM get it right after all these years?"
  • Buick Prices: Bushwack, verdi942, Jack44

    Guys- Just my .02, below is what I posted a couple weeks ago re: my 2002 Buick Regal GS. Be sure to scroll to the past paragraph for an update:

    Suggestion: If you're in the market for a Buick Regal GS, look for a 2002 or 2001 with a few miles on it. I got a 2002 Buick GS (no sunroof, no heated seats, no chrome rims - these are the only options (other than the Joseph Abboud package, which I don't like anyway) with 4400 miles on it. I paid $18,410, the original sticker was $27,500 and some change.

    Here's what else I test drove: 99 Oldsmobile Aurora ($14.5K), 2001 loaded Grand Prix GTP ($19.5K), 03 Tiburon ($19.5K, don't ask, I tried to recapture my youth but my 6'3" frame said 'no way'). The Buick was hands-down the best bang for the buck. I really wanted the Aurora but there was no warranty left, can't take the risk. Beautiful car though.

    Anyway, Fans of GM will note that the Pontiac Grand Prix has the same platform as the Regal. The ONLY advantage the Prix has over the Buick is styling. I test drove 3 GTPs, all less with 33K miles and there were more rattles and hums and cheap pieces of misaligned plastic than you could count. I REALLY wanted a Prix, but they're just not put together well. Plus their resale value is higher (more demand) so a nice used GTP will set you back more than a same mileage Buick Regal GS

    The interior materials (and, I suspect, exterior) of the Regal rivals, in my opinion, Japanese cars. My friend is paying $450/mo for a 2001 Nissan Maxima SE loaded and let me tell you, other than the sunroof and the heated seats, I really don't like his car over mine. The Buick has a more comfortable ride and feels richer to me, and I believe it is faster (we both have automatic transmissions), but to each his own. Traction control and ABS work great. Acceleration is neck-snapping, observers/passengers will be surprised w/ the car's power. You can end up doing 80 without even realizing it.

    The only quibbles I have with the car are minor. The standard wheels (not the chrome ones) look a little less masculine than the rest of the car. The rear view mirror could be larger. The fold-away driver's side mirror doesn't fold in all the way. Climate control is a little unintuitive. The multi-control stalk (which operates blinker, hi-beams, cruise control, wipers, etc.) can be a little confusing. Car is a little thirsty, expect 18mpg around town and 27 or so on highway. Driver's side window, when rolled partially down, rattles over bumps (this is the ONLY rattle I can detect in the car). Dark grey lea. interior without the sunroof can appear a little 'stark'. Factory tires (Eagle LS) suck, my next set will be Yokohamas, ranked #3 in consumer reports and $52/ea! (I forget the model name, sorry folks).

    UPDATE, 9/8/02:

    I've had the car for about 3 weeks now, have put on about 1600 miles, and I love it! I really don't have any major complaints. I guess the only one is it doesn't turn as much heads as I would like (no sunroof, no chrome wheels, etc. - let alone the Buick Regal isn't a head turner, even if it is loaded). ......To 'preserve' my car I am considering buying Zaino Bros. Wax, which I've researched and have been reading very good reviews about (see www.zainobros.com); as well as the 3M Scotch Guard pre-cut invisible "shield" for the high-wear areas on the car (I think the site is invinka-shield.com or something like that. Anyone who wants to know more info can post a reply here and I'll post it later).

    Overall, I do love the car, esp. for the price I paid. Good luck!
  • Both cars have 6.8 0-60mph times, very quick. Hands down, the GTP is the better looker and has a HIGHER Resale value %, also true cost to own and maintenance & Repairs are cheaper over a 5yr period for a GTP then a S/C Regal. Check Edmunds calculator. Also note a NEW loaded regal is about $2k more then a GTP to start out with! I've driven both. The GTP seems to have better handling and a sportier ride, feeling wise. Yes the interior is on the cheap side on the GTP, but it does hold up better then you think. I had a '97 GP with 52k miles that I bought new, just traded in on a new 2002 GTP. 5yrs later, all my switch gear still worked and looked like new. My plastic was NOT misaligned. Could have been the previous owners on the 3 you drove? Thats why I don't buy used cars, you never know how they were taken care of. The GTP was loaded at $28,240 msrp. Got it for a tad over $22,000, including the $3k rebate. 2002 is the last year of the 2 door GTP. Dealers were trying to unload them. Esp since 2 doors don't sell as well. Good luck, the Regal with the blown 3800 does fly. Remember its faster then an automatic Maxima or automatic Altima, 0-60 and 1/4 mile and gets better highway mileage then both. 28 vs 26. A manual shift max or alt is another story, they are faster.
  • You got a great deal on a lightly used GS. I got the Abboud pkg, not because I really wanted it but because it had the GT springs and Monsoon radio I DID want. It sounds nuts, but a basic LS with those options would have been MORE money! And there's a sunroof and leather I can take or leave. Now, if I can only top 30mpg...
  • I have a 2001 Regal LS with 52,000 miles. Over the last couple of weeks, I have noticed a delayed shift problem with the automatic transmission. I will be going about 45 mph in 3rd gear, and traffic will slow down in front of me for instance if someone slows to make a left turn. The person slows to maybe 25, so I slow also. He makes his left, and I have open road in front of me. I push the throttle about 3/4's of the way to the floor, and the car immediately downshifts to second. All of a sudden, the car shifts to neutral, revs to 5,500 RPM, and then shifts to first. I changed the trans fluid to Mobil 1 synthetic ATF at 36,000 miles and replaced the trans filter at the same time. Alldata has two technical service bulletins. I am out of warranty. Any ideas?
  • Jack44Jack44 Posts: 221
    The day I walk into a Honda or Toyota showroom...I told my wife to take me out behind the barn and shoot me...
  • Ya know...there are plenty of people in the Edmund's forums that would be happy to supply the ammo :)
  • Jack44Jack44 Posts: 221
    You may need the midas touch to fix that...
  • I took the car to my GM dealer yesterday, and the service manager roadtested the car with me. He was unable to duplicate the delayed shift. Since I did not get the check engine light to come on, he does not believe it is an electrical fault. He suggested that he disconnect the transmission lines and do a "power flush" to remove any debris from the transmission. He said there is no need to change the transmission filter again since I just changed it at 36,000 miles. Does this make sense?
  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    The flush is fine but I would change the filter after the flush. Yes, a pain and more fluid but the flush is to remove debris and if caught in the filter you are plugging up a good filter and it should be replaced after the flush to do it properly IMHO.
  • Jack44Jack44 Posts: 221
    Would agree with armtdm...I've a 93 and do a transmission checkup at a great local shop about every 2-3 years, just to be on the safe side...and just a reflection, 52,000 miles on a 2001...that's a hell of a lot of miles...Checkups can be cheap insurance...
  • lotech1lotech1 Posts: 112
    I owned a Toyota... once. I bought it new... was a piece of junk. Engine problems at 50K that continued up to 100K when I finally decided to stop contributing to the oil company CEO pension fund. One quart of oil every 300 miles from 50K to 100K odometer miles. Service dept at the local Toyota shop couldn't figure out where the oil was going... they checked everywhere but no clue. Never again.
  • I am having a constant problem with the useless system. The external temperature reading sticks at one reading and will not adjust upward as the temp. rises. (Example: A.M. temp. is 60 and reading is 60 and during the day, the temp rises to 90 and the system will remain at 60 and not rise. As a result the system does not respond to the 90 outside temp. This has been repaired/replaced by the dealership on three occasions and it still does not work properly. Anyone else having the same type problem?
  • Hmm...The reading of the outside temperature has no bearing on how well my cliamte control system works inside. I'm not sure what the issue is other then having to replace the temperature gauge near the radiator (which I've had the dealer done for me a couple times under similar complaints like yours).

    Again, the outside temp reading should have nothing to do with how your a/c (or heat) works inside the car.
  • I have a 2000 Regal LS with 55,000 miles and also have the problem with the external temp reading. It happened only a couple of times (on very hot days) last summer when the car was still in warranty. This summer, it is rare for the thing to read correctly at all. It does not effect the performance of my A/C. I am glad to read that it is apparently easily remedied with a new temp sensor, but am wondering how much it will cost me.

    Has anyone else had any problems with the power windows? My rear passenger-side window won't work (fortunately it is in the closed position). I would bet that it is just a loose wire as the window was rarely used.

    The only other defects that I have experienced is the plastic body panel on the outside of the rear door fell off one day while driving down the interstate and was replaced under the warranty.

    And what is this with the carpet coming loose at the doors?!?!? I find myself constantly having to re-tuck the carpet ... couldn't they have secured it better than that?

    Don't get me wrong, I love my Regal and love the performance and the highway ride (the gran touring suspension is a little rough at low speeds in town) I guess I expected near perfect reliability from Buick ... at least until I get it paid off.

    Thanks for listening.
  • hello all,

    i just got home from a weekend drive to san diego with my wife and my parents. we rented a car and it so happened that a buick regal was available...the l.s. model, 1230 miles when we picked it up, leather seats, auto climate control, stereo with cd and cassette, besides the usual power stuff. lots of trunk space, and decent back seat comfort. 200h.p. was more than enough power for me. great passing power along highway 5. averaged 27 mpg for the whole trip...30 mpg on the drive home.
  • I've been a loyal customer of GM. I currently own a 2002 Buick Rendezvous, 2000 Pontiac Montana, 1998 Buick Regal, and 1996 Chevy Lumina. I think everyone should know that GM sucks! I replaced the Lumina's engine last year due to a coolant leak at 65K ($5.5K). Earlier this year, I replaced the gaskets on the Regal due to a coolant leak ($750) and this past week, I replaced the the Montana's intake manifold gaskets for $700. Apparently, there is a known problem with the gaskets and dex cool coolant combo. I'm now using the regular green stuff. If you don't believe me, check this site out:


    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?GMcnsmrs&1


    Sell your GM car while you can...

  • I have a 1998 GS with 75,000 miles on it and I have had to replace 3 power window motors(3 different windows), the climate control display/control unit has been replaced twice, the pan gasket and one valve cover gasket replaced due to oil leaks. Also had to spend $400 on the cooling system because the supposedly 150,000 mile Dexcool coolant gave up before 75,000 miles and left my cooling system corroded and full of junk. I have always purchased GM cars and defended them but no more.
  • kdawg79:

    I'm not surprised you had that problem. I have it and very pissed off. Too bad I did find this out before I bought another GM car (RDX).

    You may want to switch to the green coolant. The dex-cool coolant will eat up your gasket withing 100K miles or less.

    I'm looking forward to either a Toyota or Lexus by year end after I see these problem prone GM cars.

    BTW - the customer sevice rep from GM Buick is retiring soon and he somewhat admitted to hearing 1000s of problem but he couldn't do anything to help the lemming buyers like myself.
  • I have been on this board posting messages for awhile now and it seems that people are having issues with fluids not lasting as long as they are suppose to. My feeling is that if GM claims 150,000 miles for DEX-COOL then it should, keyword here should, last that long. Or 100,000 miles in the case of transmission fluid. But, in the real world it doesn't. I don't care how advanced these fluids are. Living in the Chicago area, our weather can get quite cold and hot in a years time and that takes a toll on cars and trucks.
    If any of the readers on this board remember the old school of maintenance. Where you changed oil at 3000 miles and every 25,000 miles plugs,wires,transmission and filter were changed. 50,000 miles for coolant or every year or so. I did this on my old 78' Grand Prix and 83' Celebrity and when I got rid of those cars they had nearly 180,000 to 220,000 miles on them. I stand by this practice even on my 2001 GS.
    I don't buy these high mileage claims on the fluids in new cars. It never hurts to change these fluids early. We all know cars are expensive to buy, so why not spend a few extra bucks over the long haul to keep them running. If you just change oil and put gas in them and expect them to run for ever, you are sadly mistaken. No matter what manufacturer it is. Just my opinion....
  • Read your posts & have to respond only from my personal experience. I have owned 4 new Ford products, 2 new GM's & one new Honda. Of the group, only the Honda has provided worry-free driving, been reliable & not a repair-shop regular, not subject to repeated mickey-mouse fit & finish problems & most of all, held it's resale value.

    I still own the Honda & plan on keeping it for a while. My most recent purchase was a 2002 Regal LS.
    Other than the car having no kind of rear leg room & no ability to hold a reasonable resale value, it is a good car.

    I bought the car based on the Buick reputation of quality, the rebates & the fact that it had more standard features for the price than anything from Honda, Toyota & Nissan. I purchased an extended warranty & will try to do all the scheduled maintenance.

    Thanks for posting here & making this a good forum.
  • lotech1lotech1 Posts: 112
    Buick says to do the following under extreme operating conditions:

    Passenger Air Cleaner every 15K
    Engine Air Cleaner every 30K
    Oil change every 3K
    Transmission fluid every 50K
    Drive Belt checked every 60K
    Coolant at 150K OR EVERY 5 YEARS

    I have the original engine air cleaner in my LS at 30K miles and it's clean, meaning you can't knock any particles out of it when tapping lightly on the floor. If I drove in worse conditions it would be replaced more often.

    I always follow the extreme service schedule regardless of what type of driving I do. I will make sure the service department signs off on the transmission fluid service at 50K. The Platinum spark plugs should last 100K.
  • I filed a complaint two months ago with Buick Customer Service about my problems with the DEXCOOL going south at less than 75,000 miles and costing me $400 worth of work to my cooling system. Last night I got an email from Buick offering me a 50% reimbursement contingent upon my providing to them proof of car ownership, the work order, proof of payment of the work order costs and a short note explaining my problem and why I am requesting reimbursement. I took the offer.

    I am still unhappy and will not buy GM again. Especially since Buick has jerked me around for two months while they claimed they were investigating my claim and contacting the dealership where the work was done and they still want me to provide all this documentation. I think they were waiting for their bean counters and computer people to tell them if it was cheaper to offer everyone who complains 50% of their costs or face a class action law suit.

    My next car will be my first Japanese car. Probably an Infiniti or Lexus even if it means I buy used.
  • At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I just wanted to see if I am missing something here.

    Just for a laugh, I looked up the trade-in value on my 2002 Regal LS. 7,000 miles on it, purchased in April 2002. The invoice price was $22,124 & I took advantage of $3,250 in rebates. Subtracting the rebates, I get a real price of $18,874. The Kelley Blue Book trade-in value now shows $$13,870.

    Am I missing something here, or did my new car just depreciate over 25% in 5 months ?

    The private party sale value is a whopping $16,825.

    I realize that you lose SOME value when you dive off the lot, but this much just seems TOO HIGH !
  • I checked with Kelley Blue Book and the private sale on the vehicle is $16,975 with the mileage you gave. I could be wrong, but once the 2003 models come out, they almost consider this car a year old even though you just bought it back in April. I am probably wrong here, but that is my thinking anyway. The other reason why cars are not holding value is because of all the rebates the GM is giving away and plus the fact that most people don't hang onto their vehicles as long as they once did. If someone hangs on to their car for more than 3-4 years, they are lucky. Before people would drive them until the wheels fall off and they would hold their value longer.
    My parents would be a good example, they bought a 79' Regal used, the little two door job, and when they turned it in 1983 for a 4 door Le Sabre, they actually got back more than what they paid for it. That has not happened since then. It is frustrating. That is why I bought my 2001 GS used in 2001. When dealers where charging $26,000 invoice for a GS. I found mine at CarMax with like 12,000 miles on it for $20,598. Sometimes that is the better way to go. Take the hit and drive the wheels off of it!!!
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