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  • zathruszathrus Posts: 11
    Thanks to everyone for your help.

    I would like to maintain 100% compatibility with my existing unit (i.r., I would like to use the "cd changer" light). Do I have to buy the changer thru GM, or is there an OEM source that anyone knows about? Does anyone have any pricing?
  • The UL0 radio indeed cannot be hooked up to the changer without the RF modulator. My bad.
  • BushwackBushwack Posts: 258
    If you have the UPO radio (came with the Monsoon set-up), a GM 12 disc CD changer is the only one that is 100% compatible with the radio unit. AER Technologies in Orange County, CA make the units for GM (AC Delco).

    Cost??? I've been quoted anywhere from $600 - $700 at various Buick dealerships. The CD changer has been quoted at $500 - $600. If you're adventurous, you might be able to buy the changer from AER Technologies in Orange County, CA for a few dollars less and perform the install yourself; eliminating the middle-man (aka the dealership).
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Well, I remember the study.

    Something like 150-155 initial defects were found, in average, per 100 cars. I.e. when buying a new car, it is reasonable to expect it will have one-two defects, to be fixed under warranty.

    Buick, with something like 120-130 defects per 100 cars, was much better than average. One of the top 10 makes. Still, you have to expect the very same 1-2 defects.

    My Regal had two defects:

    1. defective switch in the steering wheel (the stalk is connected to the switch). It was fixed under warranty,

    2. The left cover of the dash is somewhat loose, probably the plastic clips are not tight.

    This was not fixed, at least not yet. But I consider this to be not so much a factory quality problem, as a service quality problem. The specific dealer is very bad - he is astonishing even with my background of the 45-year Soviet experience.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    If I remember correctly, you had a 'Lemon' '98 Intrigue...could you tell me more details about how you got to get rid of your car???

    (I am having problems with my Impala, I need some advise from somenone that has been there, done that.....thanks!)
  • peufanpeufan Posts: 53
    Yikes...

    After reading your post in here, I went to the Impala forum and read (todays) posts describing some of your problems.

    :-( to hear about the problems you are experiencing.

    In reading your posts, it appears you are already doing all the things I did to get rid of
    my Intrigue:

    * Paper trail:

    Document all your conversations and be sure
    that your exact complaint is correctly shown on any work orders the dealer writes up.

    Be sure they document the specific fix attempts and the specific parts replaced.

    * Become intimate with your states Lemon Laws

    I know from reading your post that you brought
    in some Intriguers posts re the intermediate
    steering shaft. I would have done the same thing as the symptom sounds the same.

    Lets use the Intermediate steering shaft as
    an example.

    Let's say the dealer decides to change it out.
    All of the thump sound and feeling goes away
    and then is back in 3 months.

    At this point the dealer wants to replace it again.

    The dealers swore the steering shaft was not
    a safety issue with the intrigue, so one repair
    wasn't enough. Again, Florida law may be different than CA law.

    In my case it was a repeated replacement of the same part (plus a bunch of other non related quality issues).

    If the dealer gets to a point where they are doing the same repair/replacing the same parts, then you may have a case.

    Of course, there is also (in California) the
    cumulative total # of days the car is out of
    service; Florida may also have something like
    that. Like I said, get very intimate with your Lemon Laws.

    Once the car has reached "Lemonhood" according to your states laws, you can:

    -get an attorney

    -deal with it yourself

    Some attorneys will do a lemon law case
    where they get you everything back (minus usage of the car to the first time the problem
    was reported) plus their attorney fees.
    You would want one that specializes in Lemon Law.

    I did not use an attorney.
    Remember "complaining boy" from one of the
    far past Impala forums?

    Remember how I empathsized with him?

    Handling the "repurchase" as GM called it, was an all consuming, stressful, hellacious experience for me.

    And I was dealing with a supposedly good dealer. Between the dealer and Olds customer service, it was crazy.

    They both kept refusing to have a zone manager (or whatever they call them now)
    review my case.

    This person is who you want to deal with your
    case as they can make a buy back decision.

    The dealer and Olds customer service kept
    wanting to fix the car. Then after they thought
    they had fixed it, stated they didn't have to
    buy the car back, as it was now repaired under
    warranty. Be very careful about how many
    times you let them fix your car.

    This is why an attorney could be a best bet
    if your case gets that far.

    Fortunately for me, after "fixing" my car under
    warranty, the dealer called back and stated
    they had installed the wrong revision of the
    part number.

    It was at that point I had them.

    Keep me posted.
    If you have any specific questions, feel
    free to e-mail me directly (see my profile).
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Thanks for your help!

    Go to the the Impala forum to see further developments on my case. The Service Manager fully acknowledged my steering clunking problem as unacceptable...GM has no TSB or fix in the horizon...if I should have any further questions, I'll E-mail you.

    Thanks again!
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I wonder if the Silverado shaft will fit into the regal? Nah...don't think so. Funny that it's happening here as well as with the Yukons, Tahoes, Silverados, and Sierras. Fortunate for me, GM has an updated shaft. It seems that a good percentage of the 99-00 trucks have the problem after 9K miles.

    Good luck.

    BTW, if you'd like to check out this website, the owner had gone through BBB and buyback for his truck. Not sure if the specifics would help, but he shows all the forms and takes you step by step through the process.

    http://agmlemon.freeservers.com/
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Teo have an Impala LS. His problems are with Impala steering, not Regal. Though, I doubt if the Silverado truck shaft is used in any car, be it Regal or Impala.

    Regal, Impala, and several other GM cars are build on the same platform (W-body) and share a lot of common parts. This is why it makes sense to discuss the problems together, on all W-body boards (Monte-Carlo, Grand Prix, etc.)

    Though, I have doubt concerning the steering parts are the same. At least, Impala and MC have different engine cradle, a new aluminum design. And the W-body steering is attached to the cradle.

    More important, I did not see any reference on the same trouble with steering as Teo described either on the Regal board, nor the other W-body ones.

    Regal, Century, and Grand Prix are produced for almost 4 years. Hundreds of thousands owners already have 50-100k miles on odometers. Would the cars have a steering design defect, everybody would be very aware.

    At most this is a Impala / MC defect; the two cars being manufactured only for one year. Though, given you can find at most two complaints of this kind on the Impala and MC boards (including the Teo's one), and many of the cars had more than 13k miles, even this would be unusual for design defect. Looks more as a production defect, a bad copy: bad part, or bad assembly, or something in this kind.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    What I don't understand is why doesn't the dealer change out the part? If for no other reason being that the part may be defective. As everyday passes, I'm impressed with the lack of intelligence in these dealers....

    I realized I was in error on the model as soon as I started to read your post as the Impala LS is referred to many times in his posts. What was I thinking?
  • jdinstljdinstl Posts: 10
    Hi folks,

    I have some questions for you about traction control on the Regals. Remember, mine is the plane-jane 3800, not the blown version.

    The question is, what happens when the Traction Control kicks in? I instinctively let off the gas when that light comes on, but I was wondering what happens "behind the scenes?"

    I understand the blown 3800 Regal's have "full-range" Traction control...what are the differences?

    Everytime I get in this Regal I find something else to like about it!

    Thanks,

    John aka jdinstl
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    When the traction control kicks in, you'll get a "low traction" light and the system will cut engine power. I believe both the LS and GS use the same traction control system.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Regal GS includes standard full-range traction control. It ingeniously detects drive-wheel slippage at any speed and automatically reduces engine torque and modulates the front brakes until you regain a better grip on the road

    The standard traction control system on LS works with ABS to enhance your sense of security. When the front drive wheels begin to slip, it automatically reduces engine torque until you regain a better grip on the road

    The both quotes are from 2000 Buick Regal brochure.

    To the best of my understanding and remembrance, the LS traction control does not apply brakes, and works at lower speed only, up to 40 mph or so.

    I had spin the wheels of my GS couple of time, on wet pavement, from traffic lights. Both time the "low traction" indicator light appeared, and I reduced gas manually. Did not feel the automatic to do anything.
  • guy21guy21 Posts: 129
    My 1999 Regal LS (23,000 miles) has an intermittent oil leak. Only does it on occassion and the dealer has been unable to identfy the location. The puddles are getting bigger, now about 6" dia., when it happens but the fluids (engine oil, pwr strg fluid) aren't going down. It seems to be in an area near the front passenger side of the car. Any ideas or similar experiences?
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    What about the other liquids? I would check the coolant first, than the transmission liquid.

    The coolant tank is at passenger side of Regal. And, if I remember right, the coolant system works under pressure, needs tight tank cup etc. This is definitely so with other GM cars.

    The modern coolant for Regal and other current GM cars is orange or pink, not green. Less easy to recognize the color in puddle.
  • guy21guy21 Posts: 129
    Definately not coolant, it is an oil. The fluid leaked did not evaporate at all. Seemed to be a clear or slightly green color. Very clean, not dirty as would expect from engine oil. The last time it leaked, the vehicle was absolutely cold. Moved the car from one side of the garage to the other and then the leak. Ambient temp. mayble 10-20 F. No time for the car to warm up.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
  • BushwackBushwack Posts: 258
    For those curious about putting a DC changer in the 1998-2000 Regal I/ Monsoon system, here is my final update.

    After some delay, I finally had installed a AC Delco 12 disc DC changer in the trunk to compliment the Monsoon system. For those wondering, the key to 100% compatibility with the radio is in the harness (and not so much the DC changer; although that is an integral part towards compatibility). A special DC harness must be used along with an AC Delco DC changer (that is made by Pioneer) for pure radio/ad changer 'harmony (pardon the pun). A 6 disc AC Delco changer will only work with 1998 Regals.

    Again, this set-up only applies to 1998 thru 2000 Regals w/ the Monsoon system. 2001 Regals have a "dock and lock" that does not allow an additional harness to be connected to the back of the radio. The reason for that has to do with the way OnStar is installed at the factory (having to do with radio reception).

    As for cars w/o the Monsoon system, I was told (but can not confirm) that only a GM 6 disc CD changer will work. The GM 12 disc changer is not yet compatible with the standard radio unit but should be in April, 2001. From what I gathered, compatability is more of a software issue then hardware - all that is required is updating ROM in the radio unit via a software upgrade. As the installer told me, you have 99% assurance of your radio being able to control a CD changer *if* you can see the word 'changer' dimmed on your radio face plate. Some radios (even some that are of Code UPO) have 'changer' on the face plate, some do not. WIth 1998-2000 models, there are no issues. But if you have a 2001 with 'changer' on the radio face plate BUT also have OnStar installed, you're S.O.L....both from having OnStar installed AND becuase the radio is a 'dock and lock' and not the typical 'four screws and a couple brackets' keep it in place.

    As for cars designated as 1997.5 models, only a cd changer with an FM modulator will work (as I have been told).

    I hope I was clear, not to redundant and I'm too darn lazy to spell check. Live with it! :).

    Enjoy.
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    I won't argue, but I don't see how having the Monsoon sound system affects whether or not you can add a 6 or 12 disc changer. The Monsoon sound system is basically a separate amplifier and upgraded speakers connected to the regular Buick(Delco) radio head unit. So I would imagine that whatever cd changers can work with that radio will work, regardless of Monsoon or not.
  • BushwackBushwack Posts: 258
    The issues with what is/is not compatible deal mostly with the harness used to connect the radio w/ the amplifier, speakers and CD changer (and throw in OnStar for 2001 models). Aldo, the radio unit included with the Monsoon system is NOT the same as the standard Buick radio head unit. Aesthetically they may look alike (do they look alike?), but how they are configured and harnessed (one connection in the back for radios with Code UPO, two connections for all others) from the assembly line makes the difference.
  • L8_ApexL8_Apex Posts: 187
    I've noticed a couple of things about the wife's GS.

    Last night while driving home from dinner at a friend's (during which we recieved 5" of snow) I noticed that the lighting would flicker/dim when the anti-locks engaged. Have any of you seen this?

    I made the change to Mobil1 this evening. Many people complain about the location of filters on Japanese vehicles and I have to say that you needed to be Stretch Armstrong to change the filter on my old Integra GS-R. That being said, the location on this car isn't much more convenient. Thankfully, the filter is inverted so spillage on my clean garage floor is minimal.

    Accolades? I let a friend who owns an SHO 5-speed drive the car. I subtly reached down and disabled the traction control. He nailed it out of the light and the car just burned 'em off the whole way through first. (The dealer schlepped some crappy General Ameritouring GT's to pass inspection. I'm eager to get real rubber.) The torque is beastly but unless the tranny is in performance mode, it's way too hesitant to downshift. Coming from a stick, the car has been in performance mode almost the whole time since purchase; I'm not too pleased with "regular" mode.

    More later,

    L8_Apex
  • I have been reading your posts about your Disc Changer adventures with great interest! I am considering adding a changer to my 1999 GS, but only with full function with my head unit and steering wheel controls. Since you have done just that to your ride, I have some questions for you...

    What part number(s) are necessary for this installation? I am looking for the part number of the AC Delco CD Changer, and the specialized harness, since that seems to be the key to the system. Where did you purchase them? What was the cost?

    Thanks in advance!
  • frankkfrankk Posts: 35
    I have had the traction control kick in on snow packed roads. It helps but its no panacea. The there is still some slippage, just not as much. It might be of help to someone who is clueless when driving in the snow or ice.

    FWIW with my GS I have been able to get the traction control light to light up on dry roads (those Goodyear LS tires are such a piece of junk).
  • etharmonetharmon Posts: 399
    On my 98 Intrigue, the headlights will dim sligtly for a moment when the ABS or traction control engages. My guess is these units draw alot of current. They engage so quickly and unexpectedly that the PCM probably doesn't have time to compensate by increasing engine speed at the very moment they kick in as it does when you switch something on like the A/C or rear defogger.
  • 96gs96gs Posts: 86
    Well, I traded in my '96 GS for a '98 black Mustang GT with the five speed, 38K miles, Mach 460 sound, 17" wheels, power everything. I really loved my GS and hated to see it go, but it was time to trade in for something a little newer. I really wanted something different, and maybe a little more "fun." The GS was a really great car and I won't forget it...
  • BushwackBushwack Posts: 258
    I'll get you the part number tomorrow. The info is in my Palm Pilot...which is buried somewhere under paperwork on my desk in my office. The part number for the unit includes the harness; which is basically an adapter that splits off from the existing harness that leads to the changer. Just make sure your radio is designated as having CODE UPO (if it's a Monsoon system, it is CODE UPO).

    My cost was $400 which included the changer and installation. I had a certified AC Delco technician (who came highly recommended by the service manager at a nearby Buick dealership) do the install after hours; thus avoiding the dealer mark-up that would have added an additional $300 - 400. The guy was great, knew his stuff and removed and re-assembled the radio and instrument panels with ease (and with caution) in 2 hrs. If you're in L.A., I'll be happy to forward his name and telephone number to you. E-mail me at tull1@mac.com.

    BTW, the changer, being from GM, is warranted for as long as your warranty (3 yrs/36M miles or longer with extended). ALso, the unit orks grrrrrreat with 100% compatability with the head unit AND steering wheel controls. What a luxury - especially on long drives!

    I'll have the part number for you tomorrow.
  • 96gs96gs Posts: 86
    Did me selling the GS scare everyone off or something? This used to be a very active topic..
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The Buick Regal Man has turned its back to get a Ford Mustang?????

    I hope I am reading this right.
  • jdinstljdinstl Posts: 10
    Howdy folks!

    In about 1K miles, the Regal will go in for its first oil change. I got to thinking, does anyone know of any recalls or the like on the 2000 Regal LSE that I should know about and ensure were completed when I go in for this service visit?

    Thanks for the info...

    And 96gs...we are hurt, and not speaking to you for defecting from Buick to a f..ff..fff...FORD! Seriously, congrat's on your purchase and happy motoring to you!

    JD
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    So are you now going to be '98GT'?

    I, too, defected. I traded in my 99 GS for a 2001 Chrysler Sebring sedan with the 2.7 V6. Nice car, obviously less power than the GS. When it came down to it I just couldn't stand the dash rattles and other rattles the GS had. I do miss it when some punk pulls up beside me a a stoplight!
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