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But here is my q-n: have anyone driven both 98 V-6 accord and 2000-2001 v-6 accord? if yes, are there any improvements in noise-harshness-vibration? I recently traded in my 98 accord. Loved great engine, but was annoyed by harsh ride, loud road noise and vibration on the long trips, which was very fatiguing. the seats weren't too comfortable either IMO. Any input is appreciated.
One question, if the TL/CL etc. use Japanese built transmissions, wouldn't the Accord V6 also? They use many of the same components so I would have to assume so.
I also wonder why the TL would have scored so much better in the JD Power survey than the Accord if they are made at the same factory? Are the employees working on the Acuras that much better? (if they are different, I assume they might interchange on which cars they work on).
I also agree with your union comments.
Also I don't think $4-6K (going by sticker) is "slightly more price". That's significant money.
I recently signed papers for buying a new nissan altima 2001 GXE Limited edition from a local dealer.
Since I assumed that the only rebate was $1400
and I signed up a deal for Invoice+200-1400.
so the deal is for 16.6K (high price!)
The dealer did not have the car, but he made me sign all the papers with VIN number he got from another dealer.(+ paid him 500 from my credit card, while signing the agreeement).
I am yet to pick up the car and it turns out he has got a car with different VIN number as the previous was already sold.
Is there any room for me to get out of the agreement, (since the agreement I signed was for a car with different VIN number?)
I live california.
Any quick help is appreciated..
regard
v.
payment the same and pay it off in 3 years
I have to settle for the Honda Accord EX V6
with leather.On paper they appear twins.What am
I giving up,besides longer warranty,nicer service
facilities,and roadside assistance?Also I got a
quote from a local dealer in San Diego of $23875.
TMV is $23121 including destination charge.This
dealer is including high profit addons like
pinstripes,wheel locks,door edge guards,wheel well moldings,floor mats,mudguards,plus service
to 11250 miles.Does this add upto $750 value?
I have a question about my accord coupe. I am considering putting new 18 in wheels on it and lowering it down approx. 1.5 - 2 in for the summer. Would anyone offer pros/cons of increasing the wheel size and lowering the car in reguards to performance/wear and tear on the car.
Thanks
Actually, the basic engine block (J-series) is the same for Accord V6/Acura TL/CL/CL-s/MDX/Odyssey etc. But some of these including the Acura MDX engine (3.5L) are made in Japan. This engine (MDX 3.5L) is similar to the 3.2L TL/CL engine (J-block) but totally different from the 3.5L RL engine.
Lowering the car theoretically would lower your center of gravity and hence the handling should improve. But the downside is the much more rougher ride. Also, in a lowered car, you will not be able to carry the same weight as the stock car, without rubbing (unless a suspension expert fine-tunes the dampers/shocks and what not, in addition to slapping on a set of lowering springs). Also, if you retain the stock shocks with the lowered car, it will not last for too long. Personally, if I were you, I would not do it.
A much better way of improving the handling (eliminates body roll in turns), without affecting the ride characteristics of the car, is to swap your stock anti-sway bars (also called sway bars/stabilizer bars/anti-roll bars) for thicker/stiffer ones. Eg. the 3.2TL uses thicker/stiffer anti-roll bars than the Accord V6 while the 3.2CL-S uses thicker/stiffer anti-roll bars than the 3.2TL/CL.
Later...AH
Regardig quality of Japan Honda vs USA Honda, I have a 1992 Accord EXR made in Japan, which has been a great car. My 1998 EXV6 made in USA has been excellent to date.
No complaints here, but must admit I love Honda VEHICLES, HAVE HAD 5 OF THEM AND HAVE NEVER BEEN DISAPPOINTED.
The service up to 11250 should only amount to 1-3 oil changes/tire rotations, depending upon how often you take it in for service.
Carsdirect price for the base EX V6 with a 92069 zip code [best guess for San Diego] is $23124, including destination charge, so that quote doesn't sound that good.
$23875 including the package that same dealer
is advertising EXL V6 for 22980.Looks like I'll
go for the Acura TL though some say it's not
worth the extra $5k.It may be almost the same car
but at least it will be easier to find in a parking lot and my Acura service is excellent.
I am keeping my 98 CL because at 50K miles it still looks runs drives like new.Now if I could only get back that new car smell.
Robin
I don't have any info on the Sable/Taurus except they are popular with the rental companies (which accounts for their being up there in terms of sales). I considered the Taurus for about a half a second until I came to my senses and went with the Accord. I always find it funny when a car doesn't have a locking gas filler door, heck my 11 year old Accord has one. It bothers me that the domestics are so cheap that they can't add this feature to their >$20K cars.
including the package of oil changes,mats,etc..
Never have figured out how anybody could sell
a car for $20K and still charge extra for mats.
Any way,I got the TL, a much nicer car for only
$3k more.If you ever owned an Acura and experienced the service where there is very little waitng and overall good experiences you would see the value never mind the fun to drive
of 225 hp and autostick tranny.
Does anyone know good Acura dealers close to Fairfield county in CT? I am thinking if I should buy a TL on the web -- I found a deal that 01 TL w/nav for $28,600 (not include tax, reg,etc.)
Any information will be highly appreciated...
My Honda dealer also said that they service Acura automobiles as well. So far I've taken my cars to its dealer (Honda at Honda and Acura at Acura). But I'm tempted to service my Integra at the Honda dealer. (Never again at Firestone. They screwed up my other Accord)
Duke
Thanks.
I haven't made any accurate calculations as to who's more fuel efficient as the EX V6 use 87 octane gas and 3.2TL use 91 octane. However, I get the feeling that the 3.2TL is better on gas. The interior of the 3.2TL is far roomer and the seats are more comfortable. 3.2TL has traction control whereas the EX V6 only have traction control in the couple model. Is this for U.S. models too? The 3.2TL has HID headlights and an 8" sub. The above is not to say that the EX V6 is not good value. It's just that the 3.2TL is an even better value.
The good thing about the EX V6 is that it's a good car for as a commute around town and pretty good on freeways. You actually get the feeling that you're going fast. It's also about 4-5 inches shorter than the 3.2TL without too much sacrifice for interior space.
Starting with the 2000 1.6EL and the 2000 Accord EXV6, I can feel a degradation in quality in a sense that the car weren't built and fitted as good as they were. There were rattles not long after I got the 1.6EL. The Accord is by no means as good of a car compared to the previous one that we had. I recently bought a 2001 3.2TL. I will need time to report on how well the car is holding together.
to the oil filter except for underneath and that
means getting dirty,storing oil,all for saving $10.My Acura dealer charges $22 and washes the car too but they require an appointment because they are busy.I usually take it there but I waited till Friday to call and they were booked
up for Saturday so I took it to an independent garage by my workplace, dropped it off and went to work.It was $20.In California EPA slaps on
a $2 fee so what is advertised as a $16.95 oil
change is actually $20.
Roominess: Both are the same - in fact the Accord gives you better rear leg room + fold down rear seats.
Some differences:
5 spd vs 4 spd auto + sportshift - TL wins
HID - like Viagra, those who have a need for it may use it. The average human can see well with regular lights, and is generally a nuisance for a driver on the opposite side
Stereo - TL has a marginally better system, though Honda gives you a 5 disc changer + you need to buy the optional tape player - TL wins
Maintenance: I see a few posts here - I own both an Acura and a Honda - Honda servicing is generally cheaper - Honda wins
Money: Ex-V6 can be got for around $ 22.5 - a TL for $ 27.5 + nauseating Acura salespersons. My advice is to go with the Accord and save a bundle
to give it up for the Accord.We got the TL and I
get the 3 yr old CL.It was about $3000 more than Accord and for that I got roadside assistance(don't need)better warranty ( I like),tiptronic (I like),225 HP (don't need).The only negative
is it needs premium fuel and insurance went up a little from the Explorer I had.In my CL's 50k
miles the only thing done is brake pads at 45K
for $400.Is this a high price for brakes?
Regarding the headlights, my favorite question to ask people is "what is the function of headlights?" Nine out of ten don't give the correct answer which is to help other drivers see you better. Unless you're legally blind anyone should be able to see the road well enough with any lights being put in cars today, how well others see you is a different story. I personally don't like the HID lights.
Funny how many TL buyers service their pride and joy at a (gasp) Honda dealer since many here have said Acura's excellent service is a reason to buy the TL (free coffee from the service dept. was actually given as one reason they bought the TL)??
As for roadside assistance, my insurance covers that for about $30 a year.
I just noticed that the EPA interior volume of the EX is 2 cft. greater than the TL, and the LX about 6 cft. more!
On another note just read the review of the '02 TL-S in Car and Driver. Looks like Honda has another winner (natch!). This will further differentiate the TL from the Accord so maybe we can finally close this thread which I still feel is unfair.
www.hondabeat.com/acura/tltech.cfm I,ve had my TL for 6 months & no problems. Very comfortable & well finished. Technically a well designed car.
RS 4 DR or Accord EX 4 DR sedan?
and anyone know the drive out price for these cars?
Experts, please help!
1986 LS 3.0L No issues, 50k
1988 LS 3.8L No issues, 125k
1991 LS 3.8L water pump @ 160k, tranny recall @85k no other issues, 175k
1996 LS 3.0L DOHC, 24V, just replaced battery, 100k and going strong.
Some people have had problems. I take care of my cars and have never had any serious issues, not even the dreaded 3.8L headgasket. I traded the '91 in on a Lincoln LS and got $1500 for it. Not bad for a car with 175k on the odo! I think you should at least give the Sable consideration.
Michael, who is now in his flame retardant castle!
sequential sportshift,
better leather, interior
In dash cd-player (6-disc)
Faster car, better performance
Acura badge, prestige
plus many more reasons -- visit the Acura 3.2 TL (five) forum for more info.
Pete
Also perhaps you are not aware but the Accord has a 6 disc in dash CD changer standard, the '01 TL does not.
As for the "prestige" of having an Acura, I look at it the other way. The Accord is a very similar vehicle to the Honda produced Acura and costs $3500 less. If prestige is really what you are after you need to set your sights a little higher.
Forget prestige in association w/ Acura. The "3500" difference (you seem to think that your one stop to one or maybe even two dealers is good sampling of the entire united states' pricing for Accords and 3.2TL's .. but oh well) is well worth it to some people -- and a 6-disc in dash CD player is not the ONLY reason (in fact it's a pretty bad reason) to drop to the Accord. The Acura was built to compete against vehicles like the I30, ES300, and entry-level BMW's. The Accord .. is the Accord. What can I say about that. It's Car and Driver's top ten because it's solid, a great family car, and quicker than the Camry. However, what THEY say it's negative aspects are include: small wheels and tires not up to the cornering ability expected from the chassis design and layout. The Acura is a competely different vehicle.
Oh and you'll have to forgive me, I was quoting a standard feature of the 2002 TL, the in dash 6-disc, sorry.
could change one thing it would be give up
25HP in order to use 87 octane gas.I also have a
98 CL with a 2.3 and it has plenty of power.What is weird is I get 21 mpg and my wifes TL gets
20 mpg.I'm going to try experimenting with premium
in my CL and see if I can get a 10% increase in mpg.
I still say this thread is pointless. Although similar in many repsects, these two vehicles have different price points. I'm sure there is a better analogy but do people compare 25 inch basic TVs to a 25 inch stereo, picture in picture, etc? If they do, they know they will spend more (and get more) for the deluxe set. Same with these two cars, spend more, get more.
I do agree with you about the Accord and it's value.. Look at it this way, you have a fine vehicle, others paid thousands more for their similar vehicle. And when they start selling the TL for the same price as the Accord, I'll be right behind you in line.
Even if there was a forum entitled: "1991 Toyota Corolla vs. 2001 BMW 328i"... I think it would do what any forum did in this situation .. it would allow everyone and everyone that has an opinion to voice it about either car, regardless if the fact that one is non-luxury, and one is .. sort of. This is a great forum, and it's a pleasure to read the posts. I'd much rather, however, read posts that stick to the technical features of the two vehicles that make them unique, because we all know that the price issue is large enough to force you to make the financial decision as to whether you can afford the next 3.5K. However, what makes this forum even more interesting is the understanding that both cars are essentially built on the same platform, and definitely by the same manufacturer (i.e. Honda). Just a thought..
However I have to wonder why the folks who wax lyrical about losing "nothing" except more power and amenities and saving 3500 buying the EXV6 did not save even more money and buy the lower trim line or even 4cyl Accords ? After all if you don't want to pay for extra power and amenities the lower level Accords are obviously MUCH closer to the EXV6 than the TL is so why does your logic only apply to cars higher up the scale and not lower ?
available on the 4 cyl EX.Since I'm spoiled
with all the stuff on my 98 CL I had to have
ACC.I chose the TL because my wife gets more votes than I do.Now that I have two great cars,
a CL and TL I hope I don't have to buy another
car forever.
If I was looking for basic transportation a lower trim line Accord would have been sufficient. We weren't so I don't even know if my situation really addresses your question. I felt we got the best bang for our buck, a car with basically every luxury feature as cars that cost thousands more.
Also, did Honda address the auto transmission and V6 issues with the Accords [all this is 2nd hand]? From what I've read on various Accord boards, the Accord V6 really stresses out the auto transmission on the 98+ models...
Steve