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If I remember correctly they resale there for an lx is 20,900 for one with 12k miles on it. These are most likely purchased at auctions after a lease is run up. I know for a fact that carmax pays 17k for this type of situation.
There will be a lot of resold mpv's im afraid because this suv has been leased to death.
A used lx with 12k on it running at a no haggle price of 20,900 is very high to me actually, considering you could buy a new one for 21,600 with side airbags.
You know whats odd, my local paper says on the 2000 mpv theres a 3000.00 rebate image that.
BTW, after living in Australia for six months I noticed that Hondas are generally MIA down under, but Subies and Mazdas are everywhere! It was a welcome change of scenery :O)
Okay,maybe I am overreacting a bit,but the only thing that matters is what you can actually get when trading in your van. People may like the MPV at shows,and carmaxx may have it listed at $20,900,but if the best you can actually get for it is $16,000,then that is the real value of the vehicle. A lot of people like,and look at the MPV,but they buy the Sienna and Ody,that is a fact,and that is what drives the price of these vans. I am not saying I dislike our MPV,and my wife does love it,however,in hindsight,as of today's market,it was a financial mistake. I guess I have already lost enough on my mutual funds in the past year,and I was burned in the real estate market not long ago,so this is a sensitive issue for me,and I probably should have chosen the 'safe' route when buying something. At least,I should have leased. Why I didn't research this beforehand is my mistake. I think the MPV is a nice,dependable,useful,vehicle. I wish more people,including the auto journalists felt the same way. Unfortunately,unless the perception in the market changes,this is something I will have to live with for years to come. BTW,Consumer reports must have gotten the depreciation wrong,as they list it as 'average';and I put alot of stock in what they say. There is something wrong when the Dodge Caravan is more desireable to consumers than the MPV.
First, don't forget that Sienna and MPV has different options and different initial prices. I have already posted here before (see my post #1590 in this forum) mentioning that Sienna LE + LE Value package is almost perfect match for MPV LX + Sports package. MSRP of Sienna with those options is CDN$32,990 and MPV is CDN$30,695. Keep in mind that Sienna is sold at close to MSRP while MPV is several thousands below, so initial price difference could be about CDN$5,000 (US$3,500). Now, here is the 2000 model resale value due to KBB (both equipped similarly in excellent condition): Sienna: US$19,615. MPV: US$15,960. Difference is $3,655. Almost the same as what you would have paid initially. So you wouldn't loose money selling both. This difference will be even less in 4 years. Also add your wife's happiness to this and you'll realize that the MPV was not the wrong choice...
I hope this helps.
relevent then the stupid price they put in kellys or edmunds or any other book.
That being said , we are pretty convinced now that we will buy a Toyota now. The basic problems we have with the MPV are as follows: We weren't that impressed with the quality of the material that is being used in the interior of the Mazda nor the comfort of the seats. If we got leather that would have taken care of a lot of the quality issues but your talking big bucks then. The transmission churning got on my nerves, more then I thought it would. The fact that tons of used, and new MPV's available worries me a little. If you go to carmax.com they have over 20 for sale here in orlando. Lease or no lease thats a lot to have used on a lot. I also went to a Mazda dealer they had 45 or more new MPV's on the lot, and expected to have over 100 soon. I just find that really really strange. Especially when its coming down to the end of the year.
gunga64, although I envy you in that you have not made your purchase yet,I wish you the best of luck whichever way you go. The Toyota would be an excellent choice,and you know when it is time to trade,it will fetch top dollar,at least compared to other vans.
Has anyone out there actually traded in a 2000 MPV? How did you make out? Also,has anyone leased a 2001 MPV,what type of residual value did the leasing company use? Timing is everything in life,and I guess it worked against me in this case. My wife is happy,and that is a good thing,but if I am miserable then it is only a consolation,and I will until we trade it in have this lousy feeling. I encourage anyone considering the MPV to be aware of the resale value versus whatever else you are considering.One suggestion,have the salesman give you the Galves book value on each vehicle from the 2000 model year,then compare this to the selling price of the new car to determine the depreciation.
common sense would tell you that hardly any car ever sells at 60% or 70% of their original price after a couple of year or so.
A quick search in Canada shows some really good used prices. While none of these specifies the model, take note that MPV invoices in Canada would roughly be around $22.8k for a DX, $26k for an LX, $29.9k for an ES.
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On the subject of resale values, I just traded in my absolutely loaded 1997 Explorer XLT 4wd for just over $10,000. Three-and-a-half years ago, when I bought it, all the websites said a comparably equipped one would be worth about $13 to $15,000 after 4 years. What happened? Firestone. Let an equivalent thing happen to ANY minivan, Toyota, Honda, MPV, or other, and the resale will plummet. If those Odysseys keep breaking down, and people are paying attention, those cars will NOT be worth 72% of retail in 5 years. Why do you think Chrysler products have always had lousy resale? Because they are cr-p and have been for years. Get 55,000 miles out of one without major problems and you're lucky.
Buying a new car is a crapshoot. Depreciation is disastrous on virtually every new car. Buy what you like and just deal with it...And what's done is done. Relax and enjoy your MPV...It's the best deal available on a minivan, and you'll get your money's worth out of it if you keep it until it's paid for.
Anyway, my question is what are the best incentives you've seen in for the MPV? What would you think will happen for closeout of 01? I'd really like to get an ES before power doors are std.
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We just got a call from the Mazda dealer hes offering to sell us a used MPV 2000 with 16k miles on it for 2000 less then the new one. Give me a break! If you can't afford invoice price on a new MPV you should'nt be looking at a 2000 with 16k on it.
Basically they are selling new MPV's any model here for invoice +1% minus the rebate, and thats not even dealing. They may try to add an application fee of 350.00 to the price at closing but I think even that can be bargained off the price.
If anyone needs to know the dealer that offers any MPV for 1% over invoice I can give you the name. Its in Orlando Florida. Just let me know.
The rebate is good till july 9th but I am sure they will keep it going, if not increase it. Mazda is the king of rebates, for japanese cars anyway.
Bye the way you can get a good deal on a Sienna, don't be confused with MSRP on those. They are hurting just like everyone else is. Recession is coming baby!
Alternately, do keep beating yourself up. Then when crunch time actually does roll around, you'll be too far gone to notice or care. You'll just be sitting there drooling uncontrollably and playing peek-a-boo with your fingers.
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RJ
Today is a Tanabata festival which the star Vega and another star face each other at the both sides of the Milky Way once a year.
We, especially , kids celebrate a wish and hope.
We regard the two stars as separating brother, or separating love in the Japanese fairy tale.
On my way to home, I dropped in the Mazda to buy a touch up paint, pure white,for 750Yen.
At that time I confirmed new two items for the MPV with seeing a sales manual of Mazda.
Item 1. H.I.D. headlight system for 133,000Yen.
Re #1747 Rblader-Sann,
I asked a salesman that the possibility of sending this option to N/A,if this will not be available in the future in N/A. It is supposed to replay me.
Item 2. Factory-installed DVD entertainment system with DVD,game and TV. for 218,000Yen.
I guess this will be the dealler-installed option in the future.
Have a nice weekend!
Osaka
Item 2 is for rear.(REAR entertainment system )
Osaka
Also, the 2001 MPV LX with rear a/c and 4 season package supposed to have rear heater coming from the vent in the top or the bottom duck?
Also, I checked the size of the radiator for both DX (plain) and LX (with 4-season package). It seems like they had the same size radiator? Is this true or am I mistaking?
Also, is it true that front mud guards are not necessary to keep the car clean? Instead, they make car even dirtier? (according to a middle-eastern salesman).
Having rear ac does not provide you with rear heat. You need the rear heat option for that.
By adjusting the temp knob you should get the heat I believe from the bottom duct.
I do not know about the radiator size, count the number of rows that is what is important when it comes to radiators from front to back.
I have the mud guards and I think they are more for looks than anything else. I happen to like the look. One of these days I will add the spoiler! I doubt that makes a difference either!
MSGJVH
The car is supposed to have the keyless entry system(right?) but I couldn't receive the transmitter.
Can I buy a transmitter from Mazda dealer?
And anybody knows how to activate a new transmitter?
(In the case of Maxima, there was a procesure to activate it without any special equipment)
Thanks.
I do agree with your assessment of dealers but not the trade in value arguement. As I have posted before, enjoy your MPV. I do, even though it has to go get the window motor fixed tomorrow.
Hopefully you are taking the advise of others and taking the money you have saved and put it into a mutual fund. This will certainly offset by hundreds if not thousands of dollars the resale loss you are anticipating.
I have checked the NHTSA web site, and have found the same complaint (ODI ID: 878864) for the same make and model of tire
I am not quite sure what my next step should be. Any helpful comments
With attitudes like that I'm not wasting my time with them anymore. They act like you're taking money from their grandmother. Of course, the auto dealers are absolutely no help. "Not our tires, man".
When the original tires bomb out I just go out and get a good set Michelin's and be done with it.
Anybody have any idea which OEM tires hold up better on the new MPV's?
Well, after lurking on this list for the past few months, I purchased a 2001 MPV LX with the security package, rear a/c, roof rack and rear bumper step plate. I bought it through Carsdirect.com and had an absolutely positive experience (I can elaborate more on this if anyone is interested). I shopped the carsdirect price around to 3 area dealers, and none could come within $1000 of the price.
With rebates ($1500, plus an extra $400 via the Mazda graduate program which I qualified for), the price for our van came to $21,118. With tax (8% in California) & Title, the price was just over $23k Just for comparison, I priced out a comparably equipped Sienna and Odyssey on Carsdirect, and found that the MPV was $5,500 less than the Sienna and $6000 less than the Odyssey. Needless to say, I am thrilled with the deal I got!
The vehicle we replaced was a 96 Dodge Grand Caravan, which had 78,000 miles and a myriad of problems, ranging from annoying to rather expensive. After driving the new MPV for a week, here are some of my initial impressions (and inevitable comparisons with our previous van - hope you don’t mind):
In so many ways, this new vehicle is a perfect fit for us. We have 2 small children, so a van continues to be a necessity for us. And given the poor reliability of our GC, we decided to look for a new van. Our mechanic, who also works as a sales rep for a leasing company, suggested we look into the MPV -- several of his other clients were really pleased with the MPV, and it offered the best value for the money.
One concern that my wife and I had was whether or not we could live with a smaller van than what we were used to. The truth is, the MPV is everything we could ever want in a minivan. The MPV is "deceptively roomy" -- that is, while there's less overall space, it's much better designed, and with the infinite seating configurations, the MPV can handle any task that our old GC could handle, from loading up with kids and adults (did it on July 4th) to hauling people and luggage to the airport. And the overall quality (fit & finish, firm ride, precise steering) is worlds better than our not-so-old Caravan, which in many ways was, well, I think the technical term is "squishy" -- bouncy suspension, vague imprecise steering, uncomfortable foam seats with little support, even the suspension made a "squishy" sound -- the way it creaked, groaned and rattled, we were always worried that something was going to fall off (and we actually had this happen!)
While I could go on, here's my short list of things I like about our new van, and things that I would want to change if I could:
Cool things:
Stereo system -- it rocks! I have the standard 4 speaker system w/Single CD & Cassette. Love having an in-dash CD again, after having one stolen from my old car years ago.
Roll-down windows in the sliding door -- my 5-year old loves this, and my Odyssey-owning friends are jealous!
Infinitely adjustable seating -- mentioned before, I especially like how the front 2 seats can flatten into a sleeper bed.
Rear a/c - definitely worth it - I originally ordered an LX w/Security package only, but the Cars direct rep said that the only models left in dealer inventory are also equipped with rear a/c, adding an extra $512 to the price tag. I'm glad I splurged -- this was key on the day we went to Dodger Stadium, after the van sat in 90 degree sunshine.
Suggested improvements:
Power locks: Keyless entry is cool, but once you're in the van, the only power lock control is on the driver's side. I want one on the passenger side as well. Also, I'd want the power locks to automatically engage when you start the Van, and unlock when you turn the car off. The driver has to manually activate the switch.
Under seat tray -- I'd want it to be large enough to store file folders or magazines, and be lockable.
Under second seat space -- I like that the middle row seats slide together, but I do wish that there were storage space under the middle row. There's a little space under the 3rd row, enough to stow diapers and baby wipes for our daughter.
Security alarm beep -- at first, I thought that there was no audible indicator to let me know if the alarm was engaged, but I discovered pressing the button a second time causes the horn to "toot", which I find annoying, and I think my neighbor will as well. I'd want a softer electronic beep, and also a little blinking red light on the dash when the alarm is engaged.
Gear shift arm -- it obscures the two buttons I use most on the stereo (to select the CD track I want to hear), But I'm getting used to it now.
Sorry for the long post, but I hope this information is helpful for those of you lurking on this list, considering an MPV. I give it an enthusiastic thumbs up, and I'm delighted to know that the people on this list love their MPV's as much as I do!
http://www.mazdausamedia.com/SwitchBoard.cfm
April 30, 2001
MAZDA DEALERS TO PARTICIPATE IN BOOSTER SEAT GIVEAWAY
-- Customer-Focused Program Provides Booster Seats to Parents of Young Children --
IRVINE, Calif. - In order to enhance child passenger safety, Mazda today announced the participation of its over 700 dealers in a nationwide booster seat giveaway program. The booster seat giveaway is one of the primary elements of the "Boost America!" program sponsored by Ford Motor Co. Boost America! will distribute one million booster seats, half through the United Way to low-income families and the remainder through participating dealers and other partnering organizations.
Mazda dealers will distribute over 67,000 vouchers for free booster seats between now and the end of October. Customers may redeem the vouchers at Toys "R" Us for a free Evenflo Right Fit booster seat or for a discount on another belt-positioning booster seat. The vouchers will be distributed on a first-come, first-serve basis while supplies last.
"This program is a wonderful opportunity for Mazda's customers to enhance the safety of their children with booster seats. We encourage our customers who have children between the ages of four and eight to stop by their local Mazda dealer and pick-up a voucher," said Charles R. Hughes, president and CEO, Mazda North American Operations.
Experts agree that children weighing 40-80 pounds-typically between the ages of four and eight-should use belt-positioning booster seats restrained by lap-shoulder belts. The booster seat elevates the child so that the lap-shoulder belt fits better. Currently, booster seat use is estimated at 21 percent. Effectiveness data shows that children properly secured in child safety seats survive nearly three-quarters of the crashes that otherwise would be fatal.
Mazda North American Operation is responsible for the sales and marketing, customer parts and service support of Mazda vehicles in the United States. Headquartered in Irvine, Calif., MNAO has more than 700 dealerships nationwide.
So I called my old Ford dealer (I have also a 98 Escort) and they do have the vouchers and to stop by to pick it up... I will stop by the actual Mazda dealer I will be taking it for service (which is not the same where I bought it since they wouldn't go that low).
If interested, I bought an LX with sec, 4seas, rear ac, roof rack and net for $240 over invoice, less $1000 rebate AND 4.9 % financing. We wanted it in red originally but they are nowhere to be found (I don't think I've seen any in the road yet), so our second choice was white. It took us a while to find it though, pretty much all over NJ.
Also, they tried to push the useless extendend service, but the funny thing was that they were pushing their own, and not Mazda's ! - Even when I told them that I'm moving to VT in a month, they said 'oh - but Lojac would still work .
We are very happy with it (my wife drives it weekdays, I drive weekends). And on the 6th of July, we lowered the rear seat and watched the fireworks (at Rider U. for those in NJ).
L8r...
As to the security light. Believe it or not, there IS a warning light for the security system. The problem is that it's so small and blinks so seldom --every three seconds--that your average thief would have to be 106 years old to be slow enough to notice it before he broke into the car.
I agree with your comment about the rear AC. Like you, I didn't want it and had to take it and have since come to really really appreciate it. But what I think is the niftiest feature is that third row, not only the tumble-under feature, but that spacious well behind it when the seat is up. Good grief, the stuff you can dump in there!
Also on the security system. When you lock the doors with the remote, the parking lights blink. Easy to overlook if you're not looking at them, but if you remind yourself to watch for them, you'll improve your relations with your neighbors quite a bit. And if you happen to be close to the car when you lock, you can clearly hear the door locks clamp down. I only use my horn signal when I'm not sure I've locked.
Enjoy your van
RJ
I've had good experience with Dunlops on my Miata, but have never seen or heard of the SP40 A/S before getting them on our new MPV. Anyone know if they hold up better than the Yoko's?
Many 2000 MPV owners have stated their vans rode much better when they replaced their tires. We'll all be lucky to get over 25,000 miles on our OEM tires. I highly recommend MICHELIN SYMMETRY tires, a super all season tire perfect for a minivan. Our neighbor put a set on his 99 Quest and he is thrilled with their performance.
--java
Thanks for pointing that out -- and yes, I agree about the well under the back seat -- like everything else about the MPV -- well designed and flexible!