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2005 and Earlier Chevrolet Impala

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  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    I probably don't belong in this discussion group, but I just want to clear up a few things about the great L-67 engine. I own a '98 Buick Regal GS and can testify that it will whip just about every competitive sedan out there. I'm not talking about the M-5, or C-32, or other super sedans. The engine is a proven winner. Just ask Pontiac GTP owners. So I'm tired of people whinning about the fact the 2004 Impala SS will be getting this engine. I read where Chevy tried to install a detuned LS1 in the Impala, but it wouldn't fit. I don't understand why, because if it fits in the Holden Commodore SS, it should fit in the 2003 Impala. Besides that, the LS1 fits in the Z28, which isn't that much bigger than the Impala LS. Right? Maybe it's because of the FWD.
  • sim3sim3 Posts: 66
    We just returned from a few days trip to Arizona with my wife; after a year-and-a-half in an '01 LS, I had gotten used to it - used to it meaning I didn't always appreciate the Impala enough.

    Anyway, we ended up having a Mazda Millenia as a rental. I still can't believe how awful it was to drive - horrible ergonomics, uncomfortable seats, poor performance, the worst cruise control I've ever experienced (it went +/-6mph on a fairly flat road), cramped interiors, terrible fuel economy. I was even more shocked to later find out the model sells for something like $30k! I honestly thought it'd be something in the $18-20k range..

    The point of this slight off-topic post is that it was one great feeling when I got back in our Impala. What an eye-opener. A good reminder that our Impalas really are MUCH better than some considerably more expensive cars.
  • 2 choices
    1)Base model with 1sc option package and 3.8
    This is basically the ls w/o the side impala name and spoiler.No leather or moon roof.
    23100 out the door

    2)Ls model with 250 dealer miles on it.
    leather and moon roof
    23400 out the door

    any one?
  • hvan3hvan3 Posts: 630
    What part of the country are you from? Here in CA, 2002 Impala LS can be bought for $21K (brand new). I believe this is with leather and moonroof.

    When you say "out the door", is that including tax and license? If so, take option #2.
  • dgonzalez13dgonzalez13 Posts: 110
    It sounds like a great deal. I am holding on to my 2000 base Impala till the SS comes out. Just drove to Virginia from NYC and it was soooo comfortable and smoothe. If I were you, i would buy the second one.. the LS with moonroof.
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    If both cars are basically the same money, I'd choose #2.
    I'd get him to drop the price, though. There's a huge $2500 rebate, you know. Plus, you should be able to get about $2000 off the MSRP (Fairly standard discount PLUS demo model).
    BTW, If leather and roof are your only options, the MSRP is $24,045.
    So, $24K - $4500 = $19.5K plus TTL = OTD price. Hey. Make him an offer. If he says no, leave. Don't look back. I guarantee that "no" will turn to "yes". You may have to go up a little, but not to 23.4K.
  • Yep,those two prices included tax,title & license.
    Because the dealer or GM put 243 miles on the LS model(Car # 2), the dealer took an additional 1500 dollars off.
    I'm in phoenix.
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    $1500 off MSRP is the minimum you should expect for a brand spanking new Impala LS with ZERO miles.
  • Sticker price on Car #1 is 24774.00
    Sticker price on Car #2 is 26610.00
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Oops. What was I thinkin'? The price sure went up on those guys since last April! (The MSRP on mine with evrything except heated seats, was just under $26K. Identically equipped, it's now $26,965. Ouch.)

    I guess his prices ain't too bad, then! Although, Chevy's web site shows a new LS, equipped as described, to MSRP at $26,080, not $26,610. Were there other options not mentioned besides leather and roof?
  • As far as I can see it has
    Preferred Equip Group 2
    Leather seat trim
    electric sunroof
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Ah. The PEG. That's a good one. Trip computer. Steering wheel radio controls (My favorite). Garage door opener. Alarm. Nice.

    Then, you're looking at an MSRP of $26,865 for a 2002 LS, so equipped. (According to Chevy's web site.)
  • ..and the pricing seems real right..........
    probably go look at it again tonight.
    I'm surprised they have not called me back on it....
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    L67 is an awesome engine. You will love it.
  • pluto5pluto5 Posts: 618
    Can this be right, Chevrolet is making the 03 Impala with only a driver's side airbag? For $300 plus some change they could afford two. These things only cost about $40 each.
  • hvan3hvan3 Posts: 630
    Take option #2 and tell us what color it is. Does it have spoiler? I"m assuming yes.

    Ask for two FREE oil changes as part of the deal.
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Ask for two FREE oil changes as part of the deal.

    And a DVD of "The Fast and the Furious".
  • Well,
    I thank all you folks for your input, I got the wholsale sheets from Consumer Reports($12.00),
    and Car #2 is $197.00 above Consumer Reports Wholesale value, so it was there earlier t'nite so t'morrow morning I hope to get it.
    Its Forest Green.
  • moondawgmoondawg Posts: 24
    to pluto5,
    That was going to be my question.If this is true,not having a passenger side airbag,in the '03 Impala,them,I'm going to purchase it.
    What is in the heads of GM engineers,or people further up the line,to decide not to have the car equipt this way?Geez,maybe an option cost?Otherwise,Chevy,you almost had me.Too bad!
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    The Chevrolet SSR is a convertible pick up on a rear drive platform. It is reported to be coming out in 2003 as a 2004. After it is on the market and consumer reaction is evaluated, possibly a Impala SS on the same platform???? Enjoy the ride.
  • If you have an Impala sedan or Impala LS with the light group package (2 rear side mounted courtesy/map reading lights integrated into the passenger assist handles and no center mounted dome courtesy lamp) pay close attention to my saga in trying to get a suitable replacement bulb (Sooner or later if one of your rear courtesy light bulbs go out, you'll face the same problems as I have trying to find the correct replacement).

    The light bulb on my rear right courtesy/map lamp burnt out yesterday. The Owner's manual (Page 6-39) gives a 3 step set of instructions as to how to remove the plastic cover lense, remove the old bulb and reverse the procedure. Removing the plastic lense cover is the easiest part. Removing the bulb is extremely difficult and the owner's manual does not really give clear instructions on how to do so. The bulb is mounted sideways in the socket, but you need a flat head screwdriver to take it out of its socket on a side to side motion (you need lots of patience to do this)as it is a very tight space.
    Putting a replacement bulb back is even trickier. You have to have fingers the size of a toddler's to be able to reinsert the bulb sideways back into the socket. A nightmare, I just don't understand why they made changing a bulb so much more difficult of what it needed to be.

    But the fun part is TRYING to get a bulb replacement. The Owner's manual state that the correct bulb size for that socket is a 12V 912 bulb. This is a mistake on their part. The 912 bulb is too big to fit in the socket fixture as this bulb is intended for Impalas equipped with the standard center roof mounted interior dome light, which my car does not have. I went to the dealership this morning and lo and behold, their parts computer network also displays the WRONG bulb size type (912)for Impalas equipped with the rear side mounted courtesy lights. I took the old OEM bulb to the parts counter and the person looking at the bulb could not cross reference the correct socket bulb size and watts (Or candle power rating) with the original burnt bulb that I had on my hand.

    So in the end, the parts person decided to give me a bulb to try and one that matched the size of the original OEM bulb socket. The bulb he gave me was a 12V 194 2CP (2 Candle Power rating). I went back to the car and after trying to fit the new bulb back into the socket for about 5 minutes, it immediately lighted up (I had the rear right door open). However I noticed the bulb was not as bright as the other one mounted on the opposite left side. Then I realized that while the bulb socket size was correct the Candle Light rating or Watt rating was still incorrect. Well took it out again and went back to the parts counter person. I told him that the bulb was the right size but it was too dim. I also told him that the 12V 194 bulb is for dashboard lighting applications, not interior lighting applications which require higher watt bulbs. He started arguing with me that the bulb he gave me was the right one, blah, blah, blah. Politely I kept telling him that if the replacement bulb is not the right watt rating whether it fits perfectly in the socket and lights up, it does not matter, it simply will not work. By the way, the original OEM bulb has the following inscription in it: 12V6W-X. This reads as 12 Volts, 6 Watt rating, extended life (But It doesn't give any indication whether the orginal bulb is a #194 or #192). I told the parts person that the bulb has to be 6 Watts or it will not illuminate the right rear passenger side at night. So he went back to the parts computer terminal and began to look for another cross reference part number. After 10 minutes the system gave him an alternate part number that matches with a 12V number #192 bulb replacement. However no watt or candle power rating was provided in the computer. He did not have any 192 bulbs in stock, so he went ahead and put an order for a few of these. they should arrive at the dealer tomorrow morning. If the new #192 replacement bulbs still don't work, then he will proceed to contact the Oshawa, Canada factory and order them directly from them.

    So what a mess!!!! GM has the OEM light bulb parts number mixed up in their computer parts database and the owner's manual also has the replacement bulb type # all wrong as well. So in the end no one knows what this mystery courtesy lamp bulb is suppossed to be...frustrating!!!!

    Never had so many problems getting a stupid $1 interior bulb replacement!!!!!

    Can anyone with a complete technical manual try to find the correct GM part number or bulb rating and size for the rear side mounted courtesy/reading lamps????

    I'll let everyone know whether the "192" bulbs work or not.

    GM: Correct this part number mess in your system ASAP!!!!!
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Apparently, the guy who designed the courtesy lights used to work for Jaguar.
  • hvan3hvan3 Posts: 630
    Yeah, and anyone who designed the air intake box should be fire! It was so difficult for me to install my K&N filter. Jeesh
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Again, obviously an ex-Jaguar employee! ;-)
  • Maybe Lucas electrical systems?

    Anyway, I called another nearby dealer and they also confirmed that the "192" bulb is the correct replacement for the map/reading light. But they wanted $5.38 for the bulb! In top of that they had to ordered it and wait a week for it to come. No thanks. My local dealer is charging me $1.95 for the 192 bulb (Still steep) and will get here tomorrow morning. Let's see what happens.

    I also went to the Sylvania web site (www.sylvania.com) and their recommended bulb replacement for a 2001 Impala with the rear reading lights is the "168" bulb that is rated at 3 Candle Power. If the ordered 192 proves to be dissapointing in power, then I will try to get the 168 bulb as it appears to be that it gives the maximum amount of illumination.

    The 194 bulbs are for ashtrays, glove box compartments and dashboards.

    Its incredible the things you learn about your car when the need arises!

    By the way, the burnt courtesy lamp bulb is the only thing that has gone wrong with my Impala in over 1 and a half years of ownership.
  • bh0001bh0001 Posts: 340
    My brother-in-law is the parts manager at the dealership where I bought my 2001 LS. He says that replacement bulbs are one of the worst parts he and his crew have to deal with!

    Drivinisfun, I had a similar experience with replacing a fog light bulb - the GM computer system shows (or at least used to show) the incorrect one. Fortunately the owner's manual is correct.

    Obviously "standardization" is a bad word in the vehicle engineering world!
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    ...bulb is the only thing that has gone wrong with my Impala in over 1 and a half years of ownership."

    It sounds like "the best car you've ever owned". There used to be a completely different guy that posted here that is definitely not you that used to say that all the time.
  • wyoimpwyoimp Posts: 87
    The trick to changing the air fliter is to:
    Disconnect the connector to the sensor in the rubber boot between the Air Filter box and the
    Air Flow Valve
    Loosen the boot clamps
    Carefully clean off the boot and the ends
    Remove the boot
    Undo the clips on top of the Air Filter Box
    Remove the Air Filter Lid
    Remove the Air Filter
    Clean out the Air Filter Box (found dead bugs in mine)
    Replace the Air Filter (Clean/Service K&N Filter)
    Reverse the process.
    Put a very thin coat of dishwashing soap on the inner end of the boot that connects to the Air Flow Valve
  • I haven't gotten around to reading the whole owner's manual (I know, bad me;) Is it normal for the "Change Oil" light to come on at 5000 miles?

    As some of you will remember, I bought the dealer's demo car at 3K miles. The oil was changed the day I took ownership. So, why would the change oil light come on again at 5K miles? Does that mean they just didn't re-set the thing when they changed the oil?

    Called the service department and the guy told me I could bring the car in and they can either change the oil now, or re-set the car to get the light to turn off. I asked if I could wait a week or so to have the oil changed (so I can be closer to 6K miles) and he indicated there was no urgency in changing the oil.

    The light only goes on when I start up the car and then turns off in a couple of minutes, so it's not a big deal to me. Does this sound right?
  • moondawgmoondawg Posts: 24
    Sorry,all.
    What I meant to say,was,that GM blew it this time.
    If Chevy is designing the new Impala without the passenger side airbag,they have lost a potential customer.That's too bad...Good Luck,all!
    See ya,here.
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