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36,000 miles in 21 months!
My next trip to the dealerwill be to have the roof strips painted and replaced and then all of the warranty work will be done.
It's on my nickel from now on.
The Lumina is a good car, never had any problems with it of any kind for 60k miles. Ran good, drove well, took the impact very well. Funny thing though, the passenger airbag inflated with nobody in the seat, and the force blew out the front windshield. Not totally out, but it basically destroyed that sucker. The driver airbag inflated as well, and that was no fun at all. Saved my [non-permissible content removed], admittedly, but still not pleasant.
Some of the dash board bits were kind of cheap though.. the slide out plastic cup holder, while very cool, broke after extended usage (but I had it replaced it free of charge) and was also impossible to clean. The ashtray was poorly designed, the rails were sticky, and when I hit that Ford they broke entirely and the ashtray went flying off. The glove box door is kind of heavy for the mounts they used on it, and while it didn't break, it always looked like it was going to. The cloth seating seemed to be inferior cloth somehow, as it didn't clean properly using anything I've tried. Removing the dash to replace the radio was easy enough, but the speaker mount holes in the trunk were non-standard, so mounting new identically sized speakers took ingenuity. The factory speakers themselves are total garbage, I've still got them, and they are utterly worthless. The radio is fine, and had a fairly decent amp built into it, actually, as it gave good crisp sound once you replaced the crappy speakers. The trunk has those annoying L shaped curve mount things, so when you filled the trunk to the max you find that you cannot actually close it that way because they fold down into the trunk space itself.
Other than these minor petty annoyance type of things, it worked fine. Drove very well. Handled good. A slight bit soft on cornering, but very good acceleration for such a heavy car.
If you want to see what a Lumina hitting a Ford F150 looks like, go here. This is on my laptop on a cable modem, so if it's slow or not there at times, that's why.
No brake problems since the steering shaft has been lube. Had vibration in steering wheel all the way down to the brakes.
I also won't be buying another chevy period. Although my husbands 2001 camaro ss hasn't been in the shop yet!! Very happy with that car.
As far as luxury vehicles go and what I can affored, I will go Infiniti G35, if I can't afford that, I'll go with the sister car, the altima. Very nice cars.
BMW is just tooo small for the money. Going to miss that big back seat that was soo appealing with the impala in the first place. One of the only cars (in my price range) that can fit a car seat in the middle and two adults on each side comfortably. It's a great ride until I have to shell out my own money for all these problems after the warrenty is up.
Sure has been interesting reading here. Hope there aren't as many problems with the imports!!!
BTW, the Mazda 6 is a GREAT alternative. Neat car!!!
You also may be stuck with arbitration in any event.
Usually once you get past the 2 year point you are out of luck.
So at any rate, I am in contact with a LL attorney who said it is absolutely possible to use the lemon law. He seems pretty confident. Hey if it doesn't pan out, no biggy, but it is a least worth a try.
And no it does not have to be only safety related. But no, you can't complain about bad radio reception and invoke the LL that way.
We aren't talking about a little wetness back there either folks, we are talking about flooding!!!
Nicole
Before filing for "Lemon Law" make sure that this has been verified to be OK. You could be in for a rough ride if you are not familiar with your State's lemon laws.
Remember, attorneys can lie so be informed before allowing yourself to get lured into a costly uphill battle.
What state are you in? Do you know what is the statue of limitations in terms of ownership months/mileage (Whichever comes first) to be able to seek relief under Lemon Law?
In Florida, a leaking trunk does not qualify for Lemon Law.
Do some research, that's all I am suggesting....
I don't think this is fair at all. I can see in your posts, that you are coming across like I am being petty or that this won't fly with the lemon law, but why should I have to deal with a trunk full of water? It smells and grows mold, I have to take the spare tire out and get the water out every rain. I HATE this car. And now the coolant leak.
Anyway, thanks for the words of cuation. I will read over the contract from the attorney and if I have to pay a truck load of money even if I don't win, well can't afford that anyways.
But I am stuck, have you tried to trade in you Impala yet? I have, guess what they are offering for a 2000 (not even 3 years old yet) loaded LS with only 21K miles on it....7K. Yup, that's it. Wouldn't even pay off my loan of 9K. They don't want my car either!!! I am in tears that I got ripped off on this piece of crap. I will never buy chevy again, especially if they fight over taking my lemon back. Just pay off the loan is all I care about at this point. Just take it off my hands.
Anyway, thanks again
Nicole
I sincerely think that your trunk leaks are caused by 2 very serious problems:
1) Car was involved in an accident prior to delivery (Yes there are dealers that still sell new cars with body repair damage)
2) The car has some kind of fatal flaw in the structure welds or rubber seals.
Have you run a Carfax.com VIN check on your own car? It is a $20K pop but I think if I were you I would take a closer look at the history of this car. If this car was ever in an accident, there is the likehood of a police report filed online, etc.
I have never had any problems with the trunk of my car. Other family acquintances also own Impalas with absolutely no problems on them whatsoever either.
You need to have a factory rep go over your car with a fine tooth comb.
I am sorry to hear about all your problems and believe me, if I were in your shoes, I would also be very dissapointed about the car as well.
Have you try taking it to a different Chevy dealer? As part of your Lemon Law process I think the manufacturer needs to fly someone from the factory to take a look at your car. That way they can determine whether the car has been in an accident or if this is indeed a fatal manufacturing defect. Either outcome calls for different legal actions.
Best of luck and keep us posted.
I would think your car is worth more than 7K. is it an LS or a base?
i would definiterly take it to another dealer.
It is being purchased, no lease. So I was also stunned at 7K offer. I was at least thinking 10K trade in, 13K maybe on the street.
So the lawyer knows all about this and still says she can help. I'll know in 2 weeks. I'm going on vacation next week, so it's going in the shop as soon as I get back. I'm wondering if I should even bother having them do the coolant leak at the same time. Don't want them to come back and say they didn't have time to deal with both. So I should stick with the water leak and not confuse them anymore.
I'll keep you all posted, it sure does sound like a defect to me.
Thanks
Nicole
A good body man can tell you by looking at wrench marks on body panel and hinge bolts if a car has had repairs.
It is not uncommon for brand new spanking and unregistered cars to receive damage during transportation or at the dealership. Some dealers are masters at covering up transport or dealer induced damage to the vehicle and then sell it as 'new' to unsuspecting customers. A good rule of thumb is to always inspect a new car prior to taking delivery with a fine tooth comb as much as feasible possible. Also a new vehicle should also be delivered and inspected under daylight conditions to make spotting imperfections, bad repairs and other potential coverups before signing on the dotted line.
I suspect that Coleen's Impala must have sustained severe damage during transporation or at the dealer, resulting in a badly repaired trunk area and consequently a bad smelling and leaky trunk compartment. But there is also a chance that her car has a very unsual and rather bizarre manufacturing defect with the body welds. Remember that these cars are welded by robots, so the spot weld quality is precise to the milimeter and pretty consistent on each car being built.
I wish the best of luck to Collen on her leaky trunk saga.
When the left side coded and the dealer confirmed it,I said GM is paying for this repair!My warranty had run out by then.
The dealer gave me the number for Chevrolet Zone service in Detroit and I called and started a claim.
I was patient and after 3 weeks,my local dealer called and said that GM wanted to know how my brand loyalty has been! IE,they wanted to know how many new Chevrolets I have purchased!
Well now,I rattled off the last 6 cars and vans and asked him if that was enough!
He called back 2 days later and said that the wheel bearing was on order!
GM was paying for all of it!
Anyways,I hope Nicole got a another New car from Chevrolet!
What's the best way to get rid of scratches on a black car?
Seriously, why do people do this? I am so very sorry about your car, but I think you will find that a body shop is the only real alternative, unless you do your own expert body work, in which case you wouldn't have asked.
This was a base model Impala apparently (no LS badges), but I was confused because it seemed pretty loaded up. I couldn't replicate the car on Chevy's website. Alloys, cruise, steering wheel radio controls, leather-wrapped wheel, etc. I presume it had the 3.4 although I didn't check. It was an odd shade of blue (Superior Blue?) that was lighter than navy blue, and which looked vaguely institutional to me, like it should have some sort of corporate logo painted on the doors. Reminded me of the color the RCMP used to paint their cars. It had the dreaded gray interior (I hate gray interiors) with two slightly different shades on the dash.
I was prepared not to like the car but I can't complain about the experience of driving it. It was great on the highway, had decent pickup with only some rough engine sounds when you put your foot in it, and had good handling and brakes. The seats seemed comfortable at first although after several hours the bottom cushion seemed to give up and my back began to bother me a bit (I have back trouble). Driving at 70 mph the car was quiet and felt secure. Most controls and instruments were logical (didn't like the wiper control all that much though) and I found it a bit tough to get enough heat inside (it was a very cold day and I had the temp on max - maybe I needed more indoctrination into those controls). The dash has a lot of cutlines but didn't look too bad to me. All in all not a bad car. If only the styling was better.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
The blue with tan is a nice combination IMO and contrary to a previous post all the sheet metal is painted, e.g., inside of gas tank cover. The current blue is not quite as dark as the earlier navy.
As far as the styling I find it way above Honda and Toyota--MO.
Me too, man... me too! I have a 2002 Impala LS with a NAVY Blue exterior and a TAN interior... I love it... and if you like the 3.4, you should try the 3.8! Thanks for posting!
GM interiors had a reputation, deserved, IMHO, for being substandard and boring. Supposedly this is one of the first things Mr. Lutz was in charge of fixing.
ICK!
Not only is the problem NOT fixed, it is worse. In my opinion, any way. When I buy a Mazda6, Mr. Lutz can take great comfort in the money he has saved GM with his petty, chintzy changes.
I keep all kinds of maps and motel directories in my seat back pockets. I drive 50,000 miles plus per year. I need that stuff. And guess what? The Mazda6 will have all kinds of places to put it.
For saving a few nickels and dimes, GM lost a sale to me. I am hardly alone.
It isn't just the Impala, either. The new Buick Park Avenue doesn't even have adjustable height seatbelts any more. CR noticed.
At the bottom is a video of Bob Lutz critiquing cars at SEMA. Check out what he says about the Altima interior. There's nothing wrong with the Impala interior. It's ok.. I like it, it looks pretty good and it gets the job done. But I wouldn't call it world class by any means. It's hard-ish and plastic-y... but it's not bad, I have a 2002 and it has all the features you're describing.... BTW check out the '04 GP interior.. do you like that??
2-3 times more miles on his than anybody on this thread.
Also, pluto5, know that the Mazda6 is built by Americans in Flat Rock, Michigan. I will probably end up with one, though I am currently waiting for factory Sirius to be available. In the past week alone, I have put 1200 more miles on the Impala LS. It is a good car.
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* How much is the automatic climate control on an LS, pluto5? Just asking....
Also, LS is way less in price with available rebates and discounts.
Not to mention that Mazda=F0rd.
Where are the safety ratings on the Mazda6? I would not risk my life with an unkown quantity and this vehicle is smaller and lighter than the LS.
And no, I am comparing a NEW LS to a NEW 6. If I could buy another 2000 LS I might very well. The changes made to the interior of the Impala, which is what we were talking about, are not acceptable to me. In fact, I hate them. They smack of cheap. I don't want to be reminded of miserliness and cost cutting every time I drive the car.
And how much are DUAL side air bags in the Impala? And side air curtains?
And how come my insurance premiums for medical payments and collision are MUCH less on the 6 than on the Impala? Hmmmm.
Off topic? I think not. If the Impala had kept up with improvements made in competitive cars, or even just not cheapened the interior features, I would be in line for another one.
Why, even if they had put the Series III engine in the new SS instead of Series II (and less power), I might be interested.
Impala was a excellent deal in 2001. But not in 2002 or 2003. $1000 year price increases are to blame.
Gp may not be the homerun everyone thought it would be. Still no 5 speed auto. Back seat room is not good. NO OHC motor etc.
GM needs to get going. They are still thinking they are competing with FORD and have forgotten about Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mazda.
The CTS will soon have a OHC motor. it needs to be offered in all the midsize cars at a premium.
If there was a $1000 charge for the new motor I would pay it. I will not pay 30K for a supercharged SS using LAST years pushrod engine. Or any pushrod engine for that matter.
Where are those side curtain airbags?
I can't understand why people diss the engine so much. Its kind of ignorant. The ONLY v6 in the under 30,000 price range that beats it is the Nissan engine in my view. Sure Honda makes 240 hp but only 212 TQ and I bet if we compare the HP at each RPM then up to 5,000 rpm the 3800 is the same or better.
You can't look at peek HP and that's it. Look at the torque and look at the RPM where the engine makes peek HP. Mazda is weak - 220 hp and only 190 TQ (its a reworked Ford Taurus engine and is weak). Mitsu, Ford Taurus, Dodge Stratus, Toyoda Camry all make about 200 / 200. The 3800 makes 200 / 225 and the power comes on right away.
Remember that GM's v8 OHV pushrod engines (Corvette) makes the more power then any other street cars other then the Dodge Viper which is really a race car not a street car. So what say you now?