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  • owr084owr084 Posts: 46
    Rutger3 - Well, I guess I am an exception to your use of the word "most." Perhaps you should use a smaller brush when you try to "tar" the group with an over-generalization on resale values.

    I DO work the best deal for my vehicles and on financing. I DO invest the savings and in fact when a car loan ends, I keep paying it into a mutual fund. Resale is of NO importance to me. Of the 4 vehicles I have bought new in the last 24 years (excluding #5, an ES bought on Saturday), the first I kept for 13 years/179K miles; the second, 2 years/28K (my one mistake...); the third (to replace #2) I still have after 16 years/130K; and the fourth (still own) for 12 years/193K miles.

    And as for the Ody - any vehicle that cannot be bought for at near invoice, just is not worth it to me (and especially one that the dealer charges above and beyond MSRP just for the privilege of owning one...).

    RBB
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    I am beginning to think that you are all obsessed with this resale thing! Okay a few minor observations. Perhaps my brush was a bit too broad for this group,maybe there are more of you than I thought that keep your cars for a long time. Again, if this is the case,then my silly resale issue is not an issue at all.

    owr084: I commend you for investing the difference,smart move, but I still think you are in a very small minority.

    kcz: an excellent financial decision to keep your cars for that long. However, bean3422 seems to think that appearance is very important. I do not put too much into looks,as long as it is not downright ugly. Dependability and total cost come first imo.

    bean3422: Cars are not what I would look to for happiness, unless you are talking Ferrari or a similair fun vehicle and money was no object. Also, if you can actually guarantee a stock or mutual fund will get a 9 - 12% return for the next few years than you know something that all the experts don't.

    Finally, I agree the Ody is overpriced,and the Honda dealers can be real bums,and I too could not bring myself to wait 6 months and pay over msrp, which is why we have an MPV; but if you ever go to trade in a car and many many people do, then resale value is very real and the money they give or don't give you is also very real. If no one ever trades or sells their cars then I am certainly wasting my time.
  • msgjvhmsgjvh Posts: 196
    I am extremely happy that I kept my 68 Mustang FB!!! It's been a joy for years. It orginially sold for $2400. I baught it for $500 in 1977. Today in its present condition it's worth $5k, back to showroom with another $5 investment would place it between $15-$18. Now that is resale value. So it's taken me 25 years to get there. I have been happy the entire journey and who can put a pricetag on that!

    In comparison, I saw an older VW van that was in ok condition but needs work. It's selling for $4k. It didn't cost that much new. Basically, in the long run Ody's and MPV's will both be worth the same $$ amount. I think the MPV will hold its own and I believe Consumer Reports will reflect that difference, you will see that reflected in the resale values in 5-8 years.

    Now if we can just kill this topic and move on to something else pllllllleeeeeeeaaaaassseee.
  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    It would be interesting to see some proof that the majority (>51%) of people who purchase (not lease) only drive the vehicle for 3 years, then trade for new again. Although I'm sure a lot of folks do, I find it hard to believe that it's the *majority*, and that people who keep them longer than 5 years are an insignificant minority. Someone make a believer out of me and I'll humbly stand corrected :)

    Most of you have probably seen Edmund's Total Cost of Ownership tool by now. Funny how they use a 5 year spread, not 3 (hmmmm). BTW, I ran the Ody LX vs. MPV LX through, just taking original price minus depreciation. At 3 years, the Ody was worth ~$4,700 more than the MPV, at 5 years ~$4,300. So if someone buys the MPV at invoice and saves around $4K, vs. paying MSRP for the Ody, what's the difference?

    I'm with you msgjvh!

    SC
  • msgjvhmsgjvh Posts: 196
    Cars that the wife drives go for about 5 years or up too or just past 100k miles. Now newer cars are expected to last much longer than that. In the mustangs day a car wouldn't make it to 60k without a rebuild. Cars I drive I keep for much longer unless I get bored. Cars the kids drive will go until the wheels and duct tape fall off!

    Since the MPV ES we have has all the bells and whistles, I plan on keeping it at least 5 yrs maybe even more as long as the wife isn't bored. But by that time kids will be out of the house and a new convertible would be within reach. You will have to wait another 5 yrs for me to answer absolutely, but I think Edmunds 5 yr plan is about average.
  • pieracpierac Posts: 43
    I think most people who post here at Edmunds do in fact keep their cars longer. Just look at the maintence discussion that goes on between the frequent posters. My first car I bought out of college lasted 8 years/140,000mi. My second car lasted 6/100,000mi. My present is running on 7/95,000mi. I tend to have one really nice auto along with a cheap one. We take the nice one out on the weekends and other public events as a family. I just drive the cheap one back and forth from work. I think that's the mentality of most posters on these forums. Studies show that most Millionaires drive an Olsmobile anyway. The ones driving the Mercedes and BMW's are just wanna-bees in debt. :-)
  • kkcymrukkcymru Posts: 48
    Which studies show most millionaires drive an Oldsmobile? If you said that Oldsmobile was the most popular car with millionaires I would be sceptical, but acknowledge the possibility. But "most". I can't believe that.

    It definitely is looking like posters here do tend to keep their cars much longer than the norm. I'm still driving my fourteen year old VW with over 170,000 miles to work every day. I wonder if this is a characteristic of MPV buyers or just of the ones who post here (or if the ones who trade in their cars every three years are just avoiding this thread).
  • oldstyleoldstyle Posts: 41
    My first car (age 24 if you can believe that!) was a 84 Nissan Sentra (6K out the door), kept it 12 yrs. and it gave me 181K miles. When I meet my future wife she was driving a 84 Toyota Corolla, that lasted 11 years and 175K. Next was the Nissan Quest, 7 yrs. and 136K. Would have kept the Quest longer but it was doing some funky things that screamed sell (mainly electonic). Just sold the Quest and picked up the MPV. My current ride (to work 104 miles rt) is a 97 civic DX with 115K miles. Plan on keeping it 2-3 more years...that should put me at or over 200K. So I guess we tend to keep our cars until they drop.

    Regards,

    OldStyle
  • pieracpierac Posts: 43
    I guess I was misleading on the study part. I remember now. It was a Readers Digest article. The point of the article was that there are millionaires that live next door and you don't even know it. The reason they are millionaires is that they don't spend their hard earned money impressing others. The article stated that the number one automobile that most Americans with a net worth over one million dollars drove was a Oldsmobile.
  • canielcaniel Posts: 28
    The 2000 MPV was the first new car I ever bought. (Also the first car my wife of 16 years ever wrecked...but that's another story...). Historically I have purchased cars with high miles (88 Mazda MX-6 turbo purchased with 141,000 and drove until 265,000 then traded it on a 91 Acura Integra with 92,000 and drove until it had 165,000) Got about $2000 on each vehicle at trade. Maintenance is the key. I use synthetic (Mobil 1) and plan to drive the MPV until at least 150,000+. At current rate, we'll be buying again sometime in 2007. Unless I just can't stand not having the 3.0 and 4 seasons- which I really regret we didn't buy on our lx.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    i think the people typically attracted to the mpv VALUE are in general people who are also capable of independent thinking (read: buck the flashy shallow ody herd). they are also wise enough to keep their cars long. the quality of the mpv thread speaks on the sincerety and realness of the people participating and thus probably explains why this thread is very enjoyable.

    marcb -

    1990 Nissan Axxess traded (in 2001) for a 2000 MPV.
    1993 Plymouth Voyager daily driver (good for another 3 years).
  • mazda_guymazda_guy Posts: 183

    Let me see. This is a list of my cars. Looks

    like my average is ~ 4 years

    197x Plymouth Valiant - bought used - kept 6 months

    1982 Toyota Starlet - new - kept 2 years

    197x Ford LTD - used - kept 1 year

    198x AMC Spritit - used - kept 4 years

    1985 Chevy Celebrity -  new - kept 5 years

    1985 Ford Tbird - almost new (demo) - kept 11 years

    1987 Ford Taurus -  used - kept 7 months ( wrecked in an accident)

    198x Cadillac Cimarron - used - kept 5 years

    1992 Toyota Paseo - used - still have it 10 years

    198x Honda Civic - used - kept 2 years

    1995 VW Golf - used - kept 3.5 years

    1998 VW Passat - new - kept 4 years

    1985 Mercedes 380SE - used - kept 2 years

    2001 Acura TL 3.2 - new - still have it

    2002 Mazda MPV ES - new - still have it



    MB

  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    Now I know I’m in the right place 8-) Well said, marcb!

    Our first new car was bought two years after my d/w and I were married. It was an ’88 Ford Escort (mistake also), which we paid off and traded for $4K on a ’91 Saab 900T. I always had a company-owned vehicle. My *toy* was a ’77 Pontiac Grand LeMans, which I bought in ’84 when I first moved to FL from Indy. I had turned it into a conservative muscle car over the years, as I had to have to something fun to drive. The d/w guarded the Saab closely! We kept the Saab until ’98 and 55K miles. I sold it privately for $10K. It was out of warranty, had a history of problems (but I loved that car!), and we needed some extra money because we were moving and purchasing a more expensive home. Sold the Pontiac too ;(. I took the money and bought two used cars since my new job didn’t provide a vehicle; they paid mileage instead. Unfortunately, that didn’t work out too well as I blew the first one up in ’99, the second in ’00. Hence the reason for buying our two Accords in those years respectively. I have a good friend who was the sales manager at the time and we got great deals there.

    We started to realize we needed something bigger when our son was born in ’99. I casually looked at the Ody in ‘99, more seriously in ’00, but ended up with another Accord (boring). I justified the second new car to a point with my mileage reimbursement, plus I wanted a very dependable car. Last year, it was becoming painfully obvious that we needed a minivan as my wife was putting either our daughter, or her little friend, into the front seat instead of cramming them in the back seat with our son’s humongous car seat. Yikes! We traded the ’99 Accord for our slightly used MPV in Sept. ’01. Yes rutger, I got a good trade ;-) We plan on keeping the Accord forever. We joke around that it will probably become our 8 y.o. daughter’s first car! We may look at replacing the MPV in ’04 or ’05, but then again, if it’s reliable (as it has been so far), we might keep it longer. I see a boat on my horizon, but that’s another story altogether!

    Mazda_guy: if you count only your new cars (and the demo), it looks more like ~5.5 years (sorry, it’s the bean-counter in me!)

    SC
  • pikapp22pikapp22 Posts: 3
    Actually, most millionares drive Fords. 30% of all millionares drive F-150s. 25% drive Explorers. Caddies and Lincolns are the third and fourth favorites. Olds may be in the top ten, but it's not #1.


    http://www.formeraboutguides.com/investingcanada/library/weekly/1998/aa101298.htm

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I thought it was Fords but I don't have that book, only heard of it. Probably a good one to have on audio.


    BTW, for anyone interested in audio books and finances, check out http://www.audible.com and look in their free downloads for a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,570
    I've been walking down memory lane with the Wrangler crowd about my first new car in '74 - a CJ-5. There were a few (4?) new and used ones the next decade, but since 1982, we've owned 3 cars (a Tercel for 17 years, a Caravan for 10, currently a '99 Quest). No car payments is good - now if I could just the get the mortgage under control :-)

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  • bean3422bean3422 Posts: 183
    Sorry to bring up the topic again...but I had to respond to Rutger.

    1. There is a BIG difference between looking to your car for happiness and being happy with your car. I spend an average of about 15-20 hours a week in my car, so if I am not happy with it, then I am continually reminded of that unhappiness, all the little things that bug me, etc. Sorry, my God and my family provide the center of happiness for me, but happiness is really made up of many little things, one of which is the car you drive. Thank goodness the manufacturers do not subscribe to your automotive opinion, otherwise we would not have extremely enjoyable low-priced vehicles like Miata, Protege MP3, Subaru WRX, Honda Civic SI, etc. I have a family, I have to buy a minivan type vehicle, I think the MPV is the most enjoyable vehicle to drive while still retaining its functionality.

    2. Along the same lines, there is a billion dollar business for products that make your vehicle "look" better. While I commend your lack of vanity, I think the majority of people (including myself) wish to spend those several hours a week in a vehicle that looks good to them. Something that gets looks when your driving down the street (yes, my Coastal Blue MPV gets looks, something my brother-in-law with his weird color green gray Odyssey can't say.)

    3. If you study the markets for the last 75 years, the average gain has been something like 10.7%. (Sorry, read that somewhere, but of course cannot provide verification. Actually, don't have time right now to do the research.) Obviously, nothing in the market is guaranteed, and you really have to leave in in the market for a long time and make very wise decisions. But theoretically, based on statistical averages, it is possible to get a 9-12% gain.

    And with that...and a good natured laugh! I put an end to the resale topic (except for Rutger's response, if he wishes!)
  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    So, we'll put you down for a 10 yr average Steve? Did someone say HOME resale values? haha j/k!
  • fenny1fenny1 Posts: 1
    We hope you all don't mind us joining your conversations, but we would value your input, especially those in the "northern territories". We are about to purchase a 2002 MPV but need to know how it performs driving in the snow. We live in hilly Pittsburgh with lots of brick roads and drive with two small children. Driving in snow makes me nervous - will we feel secure in the MPV???
  • cas6cas6 Posts: 6
    Hi all. I've been lurking on this site for quite some time and now I'm asking for some help. My almost 4-year-old daughter decided to take a rock and scratch a pretty big design on the hood of our 2001 LX. It is not very deep, probably just a surface scratch, but it is obviously noticeable. Can anybody recommend a compound to fix this or any other method that's proven to work. Thanks !
  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    It depends - is it through the clear coat, or even the paint? Do you see primer like a rock chip would leave behind? You *could* always get the hood re-sprayed clear. It shouldn't be that costly. If the scratch isn't that bad, you could try 3M's Swirl Mark Remover, Imperial Hand Glaze, or maybe even a clay bar like Mother's or Mequiar's. I'd steer clear of a rubbing compound.

    SC
  • lal_cltlal_clt Posts: 27
    I grew up in Pgh and I know what you mean about the hills and brick roads. I still remember heading for the curb going down Potomac and Carnahan just to stop myself. The first front-wheel drive vehicle I had was an Audi Fox. It was a piece of crap, always in the shop, but it would go in the snow. Even though I left Pgh 20 years ago and we don't get much snow here in Charlotte, I've always bought front-wheel drive vehicles. I think you will probably be okay with the MPV. In fact, it would probably do better than the Ody because it has a shorter wheelbase. My overall choice would be a Subaru Outback wagon if you don't need a lot of hauling capacity. A number of people who post to this site live in Canada and Alaska and they haven't complained about getting around. Good luck!
  • billmckinleybillmckinley Posts: 167
    I've got an 01 LX, that I've driven through two Pittsburgh winters, not that they've been all that snowy. Between the front wheel drive, nimble handling, and ABS, I haven't had a bit of a problem, not even on that killer day this winter when it all came just before the morning rush. And more than that, I felt secure behind the wheel the whole time, even on slick roads. I don't think you'll have that much to worry about. It's not as sure-footed as my Cherokee was, but what two-wheel drive is? The point is that I felt totally in control whenever I drove it.

    By the way, where in the Burgh are you from? I'm from South Park with a 10-mile hilly [needless to say] commute.

    Go for it.

    RJ
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    Zoomers, I ordered a 2002 MPV LX some 6 weeks ago with Luxury, 4 seasons, rear ac, and mudflaps agreed price $23,665. Dealer calls yesterday and tells me that Mazda is fully cranked up making inventory and definitely won't get to my "special" order for some indefinite period in the future. He says the main problem with my combination was the roof rack.

    I took the opportunity to check with another dealer, who confirmed the ordering problem...I also mentioned the $1,000 dealer incentive, and he said "its yours". Further, he wanted to sell me a fully loaded LX at inventory minus $1,000... he was even willing to take the rack off and fill and repaint the holes. I would have jumped at it except it was the midknight blue color.

    The first dealer confirms that the 4 seasons package will be coming without a lux package requirement (hurray for rear heat, and Mazda is listening :-).

    I now have a fully loaded LX coming for the same price as above ($23,665 for rear ac, 4 seasons, Lux package, security package, rack, cassette, step bumper), which is $1,000 off invoice plus $270 for the dealer.

    I know it is a good deal, but I still have mixed feelings about paying for stuff that I don't really want or need. My choice was to abandon the $1,000 and take my chances later on a van more what I needed (and possibly end up paying about the same), or get the vehicle now (guess which won out :-).
  • prlamzprlamz Posts: 78
    How about hiding it with a front end bra? If it's low enough, that is.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    What do folks think of the bug deflector you can mount on the leading edge of your van's hood? With spring/summer here, the multitudes of flying insects are sacrificing themselves on the windshield of the van. Does anyone thing that these deflectors actually cut down on the bug splattering, or do they really just protect the hood? I'm sure I can just dodge the buggers since the MPV's so agile... ;-)

    Oh, and for Fenny1's query, the MPV handles really well in the snow... but get snow tires. I'm sure that the TCS will improve driveability over our current '00 model. Brick roads? Man, that's insult to injury in the winter, eh?

    /java
  • mazda_guymazda_guy Posts: 183
    IMO those deflectors are ugly and useless. We have down here in Florida love bugs season each year and in few occasions I had a "pleasure" to drive in the country side at that time. Needless to say that my car was covered with bugs splashed not only on the windshield but all over the hood, headlamps, front grill, side mirrors etc. I saw the cars with those bug deflectors and there was a major difference between their cars and mine. In Their cars windshield, hood, headlamps, front grill, side mirrors were covered with dead bugs and the bug deflector as well. Don't waste money. Javadoc, the best way is to wash the car ASAP.

    MB
  • beachnutbeachnut Posts: 291
    I don't know about ugly...I have the OEM on my MPV and I think it adds style to the whole front look. Now when I see other MPVs, they look like they're missing something 8-) Are they useless? Yeah, to a point. I think they do help the hood some, but I've gotten rock chips anyway. I believe it's more esthetic than anything else.

    Here in FL, where the insects grow to enormous proportions and in gargantuan quantities, there's not much you can do, like mazda_guy said. Driving thru the Everglades at night is a very vivid experience! I actually find the windshield fluid reservoir to be inadequate. I'm constantly having to refill it :(

    Welcome back Java! How was the pig roast?!

    SC
  • tango_28tango_28 Posts: 35
    I had one on our Ford Explorer and it prevents the windshield washer fluid from reaching the windshield above 50mph. It's a big waste of money.

    Ron
  • mazda_guymazda_guy Posts: 183
    I didn't mean to offend anyone. In fact I saw some of the bug deflectors designed quite tastefully and matching seamlessly the car style. I was referring to those ugly aftermarket products made of cheap plexi.

    Anyway, I discovered that the best way to avoid bugs is to drive very closely behind the other car. One time I was following a driver for miles and he was collecting all the bugs and I was clean :-). I do not recommend, however, this method obviously for the safety reasons.

    MB
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