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Compact Pickup Comparison: Frontier, Ranger, Tacoma, S10, Dakota, B-Series, & Hombre
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Im just saying it was in the brochure of a guy having 1 million miles on his toyota. A guy I knew had 259k miles on his 93 ranger, that was the most I have ever seen on a ranger. I believe Fords can last long, I just think they are the 2ND most reliable truck behind the Tacoma, In full size, I prefer the F-150 over the Tundra, but I am more of a compact truck person.
I'll admit, I wasn't aware my truck had an open diff when the locker wasn't on. Do I care? No. I've learned in the process that when the Ranger's LSD's cluth plates wear out it'll perform exactly like an open diff but still won't have a locker. Winning off-road combination, huh? The more I learn, the more I realize how great the Tacoma is, and how inferior the Ranger is...
As far as mistakes go...well, we all know who said "Rangers have lockers," "Rangers outweigh Tacomas by 600lbs," "Rangers have 2" bigger pumpkins," "Rangers have their beds welded to the frames," "I jump my Ranger," "My Ranger's never been abused," ETC. Are you going to be consistent and call your fellow Ford fan to the carpet? NAH!
Furthermore, I seem to remember a debate you and I had regarding shock absorbers and their placement. You were quite confused and frustrated. I'd like to post your remarks here but for some reason you deleted them...
If you have a problem with another user, do NOT take your shots at them on Town Hall. If you feel the need to do that, do it in email or somewhere else.
If you can't restrain yourselves, you're putting your access to Town Hall at risk. That's not a threat, just a fact. This nonsense takes up too much time for everyone concerned.
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pluto, do you actually know how to even change your oil? i bet you take it to jiffy lube.
oh but wait, you're the man. ROFLMAO
I just find it interesting that you claim others were too unknowledgable, when you didn't even do the homework on your own statements.
People make mistakes. Shame on them if they make the same mistakes over and over. Otherwise let the old mistakes go, or you'll be the one deserving the shame.
I've also got your shock absorber argument right here... (you can guess where) No victors in that one, so why keep fighting it? It's just done differently. Next, are you gonna bring up the Ranger door locks again?
Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.
All your little opinions don't mean squat without some real-world evidence to back them up.
Compare maintenance costs between the Ranger and Tacoma. Ranger cost about 6 times as much to maintain!
Your turn. I want to see some links showing the Ranger is better...
Two months ago a salesman at the same dealer said he could get me a limited for around $25000.
Please give me some feedback.
I've heard it's fast but would like a number.
Or if anyone has supercharged,headers,exhaust, intake,chip to a 2001 or 2002 Tacoma 4X4 V6?
pluto--->You didn't find that, it's smgilles find.
All re: that link--->I'm curious about the methodology of that link. I wonder why you don't see any Tundra's in there at all?
Also answer this question seriously, if consumer A owned a vehicle with no problems, and Consumer B owned a vehicle with many problems, which consumer would be most likely to complain or post their beef with the vehicle, say by taking an online survey?
Factor that in with the amount of vehicles on the road.
If you look at the breakdowns, they become convoluted. For instance, 1999 Fords compared with 1999 Ranger shows an average of 580 Dollars spent on Fords, and 360 spent on Rangers. But the breakdown into system components become suspicious. Ford Cooling system, exhaust system, and Air conditioning show little to no problems (well below industry average). Engine, Brakes, transmission(auto), Electrical and suspension all show above 1999 industry average costs. However in each instance, the Ranger shows 0 cost per category.
So how does 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = 360 for the year of 1999? Is this factoring in old 1983-1999 Rangers with repairs made in 1999, and comparing that to 1995-1999 Tacomas? Something doesn't add up.
I'm not discounting the Tacoma has a better reputation, but I don't think we are looking at a broad population of consumers to make this one of those rules to live or buy from. It does make a good supporting argument, however.
2002 TRD SR5 Xtracab, V6 manual 4x4, with power, and thats about it, I paid 21,800 - 400 college grad rebate + TTL.
Of course, this was in TX. I'm not sure now easy it is to get a truck in Alaska, but lets say that: I went through the net, wrote to the dealer that I wanted exactly these options, calculated invoice price on them, gave him 3% holdback (they already get 2%, so 5% is not too bad) and that was my offer. I ended up paying, with rebate, $100 over the invoice (there are some tricks: SR5 package enjoys a nice $700 discount off the MSRP, but when you buy it invoice, you sort of have to pay the full price). I spoke with a dealer, he told me he'd have to get it from the distribution port, and it'd be 2-3 weeks. 4 days later he called me and said it was in the parking lot waiting to be picked up.
For all your charged needs, go to www.tacomaterritory.com , it's a tacoma offroaders board, they have plenty of people with charger, headers, air, etc.
Do not buy the Jet chip. They do not work with our Tacomas because the ECU is not reprogrammable. So basically they are snake oil as far as I am concerned.
anyways, ok, that's a good argument for you toyota guys. good points. but, stang is right. that argument or article really doesn't represent the whole buying public. surveys don't mean squat. they are just a sample of the general public. kind of like election polls, they mean jack. everyone knows parts for a ranger are cheaper than any toyota part. also, if you're going to post links like that, AT LEAST maybe they could be current? i mean, we're almost into 2003 model year territory and that article was still using 1999 models.
pluto- im not gonna try and find an article for you. i simply don't care. i like the ranger AND the tacoma. whatever one suits my needs, i will buy. they're both good trucks. i just happen to be a ford guy and always will be. if ford doesn't make a crew cab ranger for '03, ill probably end up getting a tacoma for a year or at least until ford makes a crew cab ranger. im passing on the liberty or any suv for that matter. i actually don't care what others say about what truck is best. for me, the ranger is just as good, and better than the tacoma imo. it is just as good off-road with some real tires and even an aftermarket locker if you think you need one. i never did. they have more power and more creature comforts along with a sturdier built chassis. all for a lower price. and even with better tires and maybe a locker on the ranger, you're still looking at a truck that's cheaper than any tacoma w/o any of those things.
You have a dazzling intellect, tbundy. I would really like for you to explain to us all how reliability surveys can be conducted on 2003 models. You see, tbundy, when such surveys are conducted, they need to encompass trucks that have been around for a while to see how they held up...hence 1999 models and such being used in the survey...
"pluto- im not gonna try and find an article for you"
Why not? I've always found it easy to find articles where the Tacoma beats the Ranger! I think what you're really saying is "I CAN'T find an article!"
and if your theory is right, how come jd powers can come up with real world data in a year?
why dont you find some current material, instead of posting about '99s and your ancient '98. everyone knows that the ranger was improved in a lot of ways for the '01 model year. yesterday i even saw a pre-runner version ranger called the TREMOR. it is all stereo. what's toyota got to offer to compare to that? oh yeah, nothing.
Well, now how can JD Powers do that with the 2003s? Have they been out a year? Now you're saying JD Powers has "real world data?" Except when it rates Toyotas as superior, right? LOL, you are the most consistently inconsistent person I've ever "met!"
OOOH, the TREMOR!!! I'm trembling! Come back and talk comparing trucks when Ford equips their off-road specific trucks with things like lockers instead of MP3 players...
What does "it is all stereo" mean? It has a big "doof doof" stereo? From what I could find in 5 seconds, Tremor has 3.0L engine.....thats not a good thing. At least our prerunner comes with 3.4L (or 2.7L 150hp one). So how can you say Toyota got nothing to compare to that?
As for JD Powers: they are also doing a survey.
And if done properly, surveys can be a real statistical indication of the measured phenomenon. And if you want to mention JD Powers: In 2001 data, Ranger did not score all that high. Certainly lower than Tacoma.
"it is all stereo"??
Maybe those excessive "deafcibels" have taken their toll on tbundy's logic...
Scorp---> The tremor package is a lot more than just a 3.0l engine. http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11505
Kinda overkill to me, but would be cool to be factory equipped. Only 6000 will be produced. Sort of like the limited edition Mach I mustangs coming out, and the ultimate GT-40 to be produced.
My 93 Ranger has a very similair sound system, except mine is totally aftermarket, without a subwoofer built into the cab. I could see a younger me contemplating a Tremor ranger. At least it would have saved me a lot of time running wires all over the place under the carpeting and to the battery.
Pluto---> Ford is trying to appeal to the consumers. That's why they offer the monochromatic package with 4x4 suspension, various audio packages.
Your hatred and animosity towards Fords and Rangers only prove how much your fear the competition.
So let's just appreciate the diversity, and chill out on the insults.
and all-wise one- the ranger "trailhead" came out in 2000 as a pre-runner. the edge was introduced in '01. don't know when toyota came out with fake-runners, dont care either. i personally hate these types of trucks. sorry sad. just mo.
Charger in a cobra? Great. It's a hotrod, it's bound to come with a charger.
PreRunner: it came out in 1999. So who's copying who? Oh, wait, you don't care.
I'm not ditching things just because. I definitely don't agree with having mp3 players in trucks: those two don't go together. A big-[non-permissible content removed] stereo belongs in a rice burner, not a truck.
is Ford going to give you full warranty on it?
Toyota will.
Of course, V6 in Tacoma would cost an arm and a leg. Considering that 2.7L I4 is nearly as powerful as your 3.0L, I think it's not a problem.
tbunder - so you are saying that you might by a Double Cab Tacoma now? you said they were cheaply built and overpriced.???
will toyota warranty your aftermarket stereo you said you'd just put in a tacoma pre-runner? no. you didn't address my issues in my post. what "awards" are you talking about? nice bow on the s/c issue i threw your way. you can put in an aftermarket stereo to compete with the FACTORY equipped tremor truck, but we can't put on a paxton or vortech s/c on a ranger from the aftermarket?
tgravo2- yeah, i do think toyota's are overpriced. but yeah, i would buy a d/c for the right price. i dont hate toyotas, just dont think they're built as rough as a ranger. its obvious. all you have to do is look at axles, shafts, skidplates, sheetmetal thickness, frame thickness. but i do like them. gm doesn't build a ZR2 crew-cab. that new ZR5 is a joke. its just flares and other stuff. i dont like the dodge. the nissan is okay, but a little iffy to own one. the tacoma and ranger kinda resemble each other in style. so that's why i'd buy it. i probably will wait until august to see if ford comes out with a 2003 crew cab ranger or something. but if not, i can see myself in a tacoma dc. i have decided i definitely need a truck. i will be hauling my motorcycles in it, wheels and tires, moving crap, etc. an suv is useless with that kind of need. later
ford gives you better (dana) sturdier axles, thicker driveshafts, larger engine, more horsepower and torque, yadayadayada. you can't see spot-weld marks on any ranger. they're all over on the tacoma. the ranger can tow more and haul more. it is just a more heavy-duty/work oriented truck. it is an all-around designed truck. it can work and go off-road. whereas the toyota is obviously only designed to go off-road with its huge TRD decals. ford fits their trucks with standard stuff they know the buyer is going to need to work it. all that stuff is optional on the tacoma. also, the government says the ranger is safer too.
"...if you think you're ready for a formidable compact pickup, there are none tougher than Tacoma. The 2001 Tacoma is just the latest in a long line of tough Toyota trucks. Forged on a girder-like chassis, Tacoma wields an available double overhead cam multi-port fuel-injected V6 powerplant. With towering ground clearance and a strapping stance, this rig is all business."
We all know how you hang on every word that stang posts and take it as gospel. Doesn't this directly contradict what you just posted above? You're in quite a quandary. You don't want to disagree with your idol stang. Now what are you going to do?
Oh my! Stay tuned folks, the suspense is spiraling out control...
Has anyone checked out the new 2003 SVT Mustang Cobra-390 HP and 390 lbs.-ft. of torque.
Yikes!!! I've decided to sell my 1999 GMC 2500 4X4 just so I can go order a new Mustang
Here's the link for the 2003 SVT- Don't get mad at me for talking about a sports car in here
www.amiautoworld.com/stories/review.cfm?instanceid=24300
BTW-its off topic but has anyone seen the new Ironman Stewart edition Tundra, its supercharged, and the interior is better, it looks pretty cool. I'll try to find the link.
Hmmm, don't you have better things to do on Friday nights in the early morning than obsessing about what happens on Edmunds.com? What were you saying about "pitiful little life?"
If stereos are your thing, I'm sure a better one than Ford's can be purchased cheaper and covered under warranty by the installers/stereo store.
Second, in your post #535, your quote from a link that I gave is the same link that ranked Ranger #17 and Tacoma #21 out of 25 cars in America with the most purchase orders or price requests made. If you click on any of the 25 cars, you'll get nothing but praises for each one, and most come straight from the brochure. You discount one of the links because it was published by a magazine called "American Woman Road and Travel", even though I showed you a perfectly valid methodology for that ranking. Then you quote another link and claim it as gospel? I guess next time you try to "challenge" me to post any links showing the Ranger better than the Tacoma, I'll just ignore you.
Also, about 5-6 years ago, I built a sound system for my Ranger. 2 JBL 2", 2 Kicker 6 1/2", and 2 Kenwood 5x7 powered by a Crossfire 4 channel, 400W Amp. Alpine CD Changer, and Head Unit. MTX 8" sub and MTX 250W Amplifier. Total Peak Power 650W. Total Cost (including all the monster wiring, fuse box, passive crossovers, etc) just under $1,800 and a lot of time installing it myself. (Professional installation would have probably added another 4 to 5 hundred to the cost.) Warranties? Ha, you're lucky if you get a one year warranty, and you will pay extra.
All this still runs today on a bone stock, factory installed Alternator.
The tremor includes a 10 inch sub built into the extended cab, and 4 6x8" speakers, about 165W less peak power, and at least 5 years advance in new technology. Not to mention the in dash 6 disc changer. Even the Mach 460 sound systems found in Mustangs are from JBL I believe. You will have to go to the aftermarket, at incredible expense to get something better.
But again, why does that bother you since you have no need for it? Just another option available to those intersted. The tremor is a special order package I believe, with only 6000 ever being made.
tbunder--->Don't forget, Pluto has the perfect truck, because he drives those flooded streets in Mexico.
akwieland--->I think the 03 Cobra is going to be awesome. Can't wait to see the Mach I's on the street either, and soon the GT-40 will be available. Ford is doing some very cool things with it's 2003 models.
I'm impressed with your knowledge of car steroes. I find the whole "doof-doof" stereo scene and their excessive "deafcibels" rather annoying.
I agree with tgravo2 about the stereo thing. I bought my Tacoma TRD 4x4 because it is hands down the best performing stock off-roading truck, and it has superior reliability. The stereo was the least of my concerns, but the fact that it came with an indash CD player (in 1998) certainly was a bonus.
Regarding this whole "American Woman Road and Travel" thing...I can just imagine you and a few guys sitting around talking trucks over a few Lonestar beers when you mention your favorite publication whose word you take as gospel, and then you become the laughing stock of the group, like you are here!
Within the first week I put in a Alpine head unit, Boston Acoustic 6.5 components upfront and 6.5 2 ways in the back all ran by a 4 channel Alpine V12 Amp. I alsp have 2 10" Alpine type R subs in a competition box ran by a two channel V10 Alpine amp. I must say it sounds really nice and took me a long time to hook up. I couldn't believe how much all the monster cable cost me. It cost me close to $2000 for everything I believe. I should check the receipts.
It does sound nice though. Who says I can't off-road in style???
http://www.flagshipnews.com/archives_2002/feb282002_15.shtml
smgilles--->Stock stereos are getting better all the time. However I just love it when 35-45% volume is loud enough to vibrate the sheet metal. Everything I have is jammed into a Regular cab, too. But I really do like Alpine. Wish I had their amps instead, but I pieced my system together over a couple of years. What's wrong with having a concert hall on wheels? The ironic thing is, I mostly listen to talk radio now. Occasional CD's on short trips and stuff, but no "doof-doof" stuff.